NVIDIA and AMD Vie with Intel Over USB 3.0

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

bah, nothing to see here ..

 

[a111087]

Intel at its best... again.. ))

 

[echo75]

What's interesting is that AMD allows Crossfire to run on Intel platforms,

you got it a bit twisted there mate, its Intel that allows AMD crossfire on its boards, with most PCs today being Intel based ATI should consider themselves lucky that they can.

 

[hat]

why is intel being such a bitch? if amd, via etc need to develop thier own usb 3.0, I can imagine compatibility issues, confusion...

 

[cdawall]

hey maybe AMD will develop there own and it will kick the shit out of intels spec and then AMD can come back and say "hey we asked to use yours and share it but you said no so fuck off"

 

[wickerman]

all this arguing is just gunna hurt the consumes and intel. For intel to really push USB3.0 effectively, they have to have industry backing by everyone. That means you need devices like external hard drives, optical drives, peripherals, and so forth. If it costs companies making those devices more money to license USB3, and they look at the market and see ONLY intel chipsets offering USB3, they are gunna be slow to pick it up.
Samsung announced some USB monitors a while back and im sure USB3 is gunna be the big break they needed to provide the bandwidth a USB monitor needs, but how much effort should they put into a project that will only work on certain intel platforms.

And once companies do pick up USB3 for their devices, seeing as how only certain intel platforms support the standard...it would be much easier to charge a larger premium...and its bad enough logitech wants $70 for some of their mice as it is, where do we draw the line? $150 for a wireless USB3 mouse?

Its just silly, intel should just allow a more open USB3 platform so we can adopt it quickly and move on to the next thing. Intel wants to be different, fine why dont they offer "USB 3.0 Extreme Edition" and let everyone else have USB3.0

 

[KBD]

So let me understand this. Intel develops the standard and is just supposed to give it away?:shadedshu I really am not understanding your guys logic on this one
It is Intel's IP ........ they ae supposed to just share it with everyone??............
explain plz

I wouldn't say give it away, why not work together on this as opposed to having the select few companies coming up with one standard, and then forcing the rest to come up with another. As someone said above it will be like HD DVD vs. Blue ray all over again.

 

[Snipermonkey2]

Intel is just a whole bunch of weak sauce:shadedshu USB3 should be open source so any one can use it.

 

[imperialreign]

what would be interesting here - is if all the other companies finally said enough is enough with Intel, and all joined together to create their own USB3 spec, and supported this only instead of Intels.

Intel would have no choice but to support the collboration and their spec, or come to some kind of agreement.

 

[Snipermonkey2]

what would be interesting here - is if all the other companies finally said enough is enough with Intel, and all joined together to create their own USB3 spec, and supported this only instead of Intels.

Intel would have no choice but to support the collboration and their spec, or come to some kind of agreement.

That would be awesome and a big kick in the nuts to Intel

 

[Easy Rhino]

this is a classic case of one company wanting to benefit off other companies work for nothing.

 

[Mussels]

So let me understand this. Intel develops the standard and is just supposed to give it away?:shadedshu I really am not understanding your guys logic on this one
It is Intel's IP ........ they ae supposed to just share it with everyone??............
explain plz

so you have no problem with USB3.0 being on intel motherboards only? AMD and via make USB2.0 controllers for their boards, and this wont let them. Its different to saying 'you can do it if you pay us' to 'nah you cant have it at all'

I beleive this happened somewhat with USB at an earlier stage, i remembe the days when USB needed drivers to run... there was no autoplay or generic support you needed a driver CD for ever controller and every device. making it an open source, compatible standard is what makes USB so popular.

As to why is firewire less popular than USB? price. Firewire requries royalties to be paid and its a more complex hardware design, therefore it costs more. people are stingy, and seeing 480Mb for USB2.0 vs 400Mb on firewire, makes them think USB is faster anyway.

mac related link, but it shows evidence of how slow USB2.0 is - i have a hard drive cage with both firewire and USB2.0, and the firewire is indeed a lot faster.

 

[suraswami]

hey maybe AMD will develop there own and it will kick the shit out of intels spec and then AMD can come back and say "hey we asked to use yours and share it but you said no so fuck off"

I think thats why AMD64 was born right?

 

[suraswami]

you got it a bit twisted there mate, its Intel that allows AMD crossfire on its boards, with most PCs today being Intel based ATI should consider themselves lucky that they can.

Don't know whos twisted here. Tell me one Intel made board that allows CF? Its all from third party.

Because Intel's graphics is worse than Pig's shit, if it has to survive it has to survive on other's intellectual property.

Lets see if Intel can develop a dedicated graphic chip that can compete with ATI or Nvidia.

 

[Morgoth]

lerabee

 

[Wile E]

Don't know whos twisted here. Tell me one Intel made board that allows CF? Its all from third party.

Because Intel's graphics is worse than Pig's shit, if it has to survive it has to survive on other's intellectual property.

Lets see if Intel can develop a dedicated graphic chip that can compete with ATI or Nvidia.

Bad Axe and Bad axe 2 both allow Crossfire. Both are Intel branded boards.

 

[HAL7000]

what would be interesting here - is if all the other companies finally said enough is enough with Intel, and all joined together to create their own USB3 spec, and supported this only instead of Intels.

Intel would have no choice but to support the collboration and their spec, or come to some kind of agreement.

Well, something to this degree would start the War in Technology that no one really wants to fight nor be part of. In theory it sounds logical, but would place the burden right back on the consumer $$$$$$.
What needs to be done is what we did as a nation over 200 years ago. Does the Boston Tea Party ring a bell? Boycotting Intel along with all those who refuse to play fare....AMD, MS, Intel etc need to get with the program and begin collaborating on the USB 3.0 standard. Then continue to provide us with fare pricing and honest goods. I hate it when the cold war begins in the technological realm. We as the consumer hold more power than the corporations do if we just had the balls to stand up and say enough is enough.

 

[KBD]

its not amd at fault in this stuff, nore is it nvidia, via, sis or any other companys fault, this is ALL intel, they want to FORCE people to buy their products.

never said it was amd's fault, i just wish they would work together on this, but intel doesn't wanna play nice.

 

[HAL7000]

You would think that we new more than the big players ........lol.........all I can say is I better not pay any more money for my up and coming upgrades......its bad enough I get raped at the fuel pumps........Intel and whoever need to understand that sharing the sandbox at times benefits everyone........