10700 vs 3700x which one if both priced almost the same ?

[Raptor_i]

Hello everyone,

My friend want to upgrade his PC going from i7 860 to either 10700 or 3700x, MBs narrowed to the options mentioned below with no OC intended.. so what do you suggest if the available parts and prices as follows :

i7 10700 @ $418 with MSI Z490-A PRO @ $203
R7 3700x @ $404 with ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-PLUS @ $208

Prices are crazy sure but that's what available at the local market.

EDIT: The PC is for Gaming/Capture in game footage , and lots of video encoding

 

[dir_d]

Whats does he do with his computer? Game only?

 

[dgianstefani]

100% 10700k, it's basically a faster 3700x core for core. Also runs cooler.

The 3700x has a slight IPC advantage but the 10700k is almost 1ghz faster so it doesn't matter.

 

[hat]

Seems like the Intel setup is the better one at these prices.

 

[droopyRO]

Intel if you only game. AMD if you game and do some sort of work on that PC.

 

[Raptor_i]

Whats does he do with his computer? Game only?

The PC is for Gaming and lots of video encoding

100% 10700k, it's basically a faster 3700x core for core. Also runs cooler.

The 3700x has a slight IPC advantage but the 10700k is almost 1ghz faster so it doesn't matter.

10700 non K version

 

[dgianstefani]

Even so, it's still better than the 3700x. With the non K version all you have to do is delimit the power from 95w to unlimited and it's the same frequency as the k.

 

[Vario]

It is important to consider the cooling. I am not sure how well the 10700 stock heatsink fan performs. I didn't see that point mentioned above, so I will mention it here.

 

[xman2007]

lots of video encoding

3700x is quite a bit faster at video encoding so unless he is playing esports and chasing every last fps then 3700X would be my choice, not too mention ryzen 4000 series is round the corner and due to Intel issues with 10nm they likely don't have anything in the pipeline to counter, so no upgrade path for Intel

 

[Raptor_i]

It is important to consider the cooling. I am not sure how well the 10700 stock heatsink fan performs. I didn't see that point mentioned above, so I will mention it here.

Currently he is using DEEPCOOL FROSTWIN-CPU Cooler on his LGA 1156 and it's suppose to be compatible with LGA1200, maybe not upto the task of fully cooling 10700 but still a good initial solution.

 

[tabascosauz]

It is important to consider the cooling. I am not sure how well the 10700 stock heatsink fan performs. I didn't see that point mentioned above, so I will mention it here.

Not great, but most higher end Comet Lake SKUs (read: not the 10400 6-core die) run insanely cool, there's that die thinning and 65W TDP/PL1 coming into play:

Less so if going to remove PL1 limits, in that case it gets about as toasty as Ryzen. But with that dual-stack cooler, won't have any problems whatsoever with power limits removed.

But removing PL1 limits doesn't really net any in-game performance improvements, only to all-core productivity workloads. In which case, you can't have content to edit without playing a game first and in that respect, there's no question about which one is better.

I do happen to have that exact Ryzen setup in the original question, and it's solid on both the CPU and board front in everything I do, which is mostly 1440p60 gaming. Unless you have a 2080 Ti on hand and a 1080p high refresh monitor, I don't think you'll find Ryzen lacking in any way. If it was a $50 difference in favour of the 3700X as it is in my country, I'd probably lean towards the Ryzen, but with just $15 between the two I'd take the Comet Lake for this workload, hands down.

For anyone bringing up the promising overclockability of late production Matisse Ryzens, 3700X doesn't seem to share in the silicon quality success that the new 3600/3800X/XT SKUs are enjoying.

 

[Raptor_i]

3700x is quite a bit faster at video encoding so unless he is playing esports and chasing every last fps then 3700X would be my choice, not too mention ryzen 4000 series is round the corner and due to Intel issues with 10nm they likely don't have anything in the pipeline to counter, so no upgrade path for Intel

No upgrade intended anytime soon, he is using a 10 years old i7 860 , but yea I get the idea, actually I used to advise friends to go with AMD if the prices are near MSRP but in this case I'm collecting suggestions because I think it's a close call.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

@raptori , did you read the review of the i7-10700 here on TPU?

Intel Core i7-10700 Review - Way to Overclock without the K

In our Intel Core i7-10700 review, we're taking a look at one of Intel's most affordable 8-core/16-thread processors. Its low TDP of 65 W makes it power-efficient, but also limits performance. We unlocked that limit and gained up to 30% real-life performance without ever risking an unstable system.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Raptor_i]

@raptori , did you read the review of the i7-10700 here on TPU?

Intel Core i7-10700 Review - Way to Overclock without the K

In our Intel Core i7-10700 review, we're taking a look at one of Intel's most affordable 8-core/16-thread processors. Its low TDP of 65 W makes it power-efficient, but also limits performance. We unlocked that limit and gained up to 30% real-life performance without ever risking an unstable system.

www.techpowerup.com

Yes, great and rare review for 10700, not many reviews if any available on the non-k 10700 on popular tech sites.

 

[moproblems99]

Hello everyone,

My friend want to upgrade his PC going from i7 860 to either 10700 or 3700x, MBs narrowed to the options mentioned below with no OC intended.. so what do you suggest if the available parts and prices as follows :

i7 10700 @ $418 with MSI Z490-A PRO @ $203
R7 3700x @ $404 with ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-PLUS @ $208

Prices are crazy sure but that's what available at the local market.

EDIT: The PC is for Gaming/Capture in game footage , and lots of video encoding

Whichever floats your boat. Not much difference in real world to stress about it. Maybe the buy one that looks more cool? Or the cheaper one?

 

[Vya Domus]

Also runs cooler.

Why exactly would that matter ?

 

[xman2007]

Why exactly would that matter ?

And the 10700 uses about 90w more power than a 3700X but he didn't mention that

 

[RealNeil]

3700X fits the encoding requirements better, whilst still gaming nicely. I have a 3800X and an i9-9900K here and both of them are pretty awesome.

Both will do for your narrow needs, and both will be as smooth as butter doing it.

 

[Lionheart]

Either would be perfectly fine, since your friend is doing both gaming & video encoding, 3700X. The AM4 platform also has a better upgrade path with Ryzen 4000 support.

 

[Mussels]

i'd go the 3700x for the much lower power consumption and heat output - also has an option of 4000 series CPU support, where the intel will be dead in the water with zero upgrades

 

[silkstone]

I'd go with the Ryzen as not only is it faster for video production, it draws less power, runs cooler and it provides a better upgrade path. PCIE4 will be nice to have when doing video editing, he can later upgrade to a fast NVME drive and it will fly.

The Ryzen is plenty fast enough for any games that the bottleneck will be the GPU.

 

[birdie]

i'd go the 3700x for the much lower power consumption and heat output - also has an option of 4000 series CPU support, where the intel will be dead in the water with zero upgrades

This is false.

The 400 series motherboard will support Rocket Lake CPUs which are going to have a much higher IPC.

 

[Mussels]

This is false.

The 400 series motherboard will support Rocket Lake CPUs which are going to have a much higher IPC.

I haven't seen that mentioned yet, but intels got a really bad track record so far for backwards support

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Honestly you can just flip a coin.... maybe go with whatever platform is more familiar.

I scored 15 266 in Time Spy

Intel Core i9-9900K Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

I scored 11 390 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

I've got experience with a similar CPU to the 10700 and a 3700X and in real world usage they're hard to tell apart.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I haven't seen that mentioned yet, but intels got a really bad track record so far for backwards support

do you read TPU ?