13600K heats up in Turbo mode

[sienon]

Processor: 13600K.
Cooler: TH240 ARGB.
Motherboard: B660 F-Gaming
RAM: G.Skill 6000MHz 2X16.
Case: Zalman Z11Neo. (There are a total of 3 Akasa Viper fans, 2 at the front and 1 at the back)
Graphics card: RX480 8 GB.
Hello everyone, I recently renewed my system and I am experiencing heating problems, low FPS in competitive games, and if I open the browser, the system suddenly heats up and turns the fans to the highest speed. This problem has been going on for a long time, I prepared as much data as I could for you to evaluate. I am using the LGA1700 mounting kit from Thermaltake for TH240. I didn't forget the gelatin under the cooling block. Paste Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. When Turbo mode is off, there is no heating, no sound, in short, no problem, but what happens when I turn on Turbo mode annoys me like this. I tried to undervolt but I couldn't do it very well. I would appreciate it if you could help me with undervolting. I read the ThrottleStop topic and did what it said, but it doesn't work on my PC, I don't know why. I don't fully understand whether these settings can be made in the AI Suite software. When I do it through the BIOS, the temperatures are slightly better, but at the same time, the FPS drops without getting a blue screen in the games. Actually, I couldn't do it properly because the BIOS and ThrottleStop are a little different. I will be installing an RTX 4080 into the system soon and I want to solve this problem before that. In the tests, all values were set to Auto or default in the BIOS.

XMP and Turbo closed system idle values

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XMP and Turbo closed game values.

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OCCT values with XMP and Turbo off.

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XMP on, Turbo off, system idle.

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XMP on, Turbo off game values.

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XMP on Turbo off OCCT.

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XMP and Turbo are on, the system is idle.

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XMP and Turbo are in open game values.

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XMP ve Turbo açık OCCT değerleri.

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Fans profile

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[ir_cow]

Enabled a PL1/PL2 Limit in the BIOS to 253w for best results. Otherwise you will continue to hit the 100c limit. Which is safe by Intel standards. It's designed to either hit the Turbo limit or hit 100c, whatever comes first.

@Toothless just went through this yesterday with a 14900K.

 

[phanbuey]

a 13600k shouldnt come close to that really, check your cooler make sure they took the plastic off the base.

 

[ir_cow]

Yeah, now I see your hitting 100c at 183w with a 240mm AIO. It shouldn't reach 100c. Check, pump, fans, and that plastic film on the base.

 

[pressing on]

This could be a Windows Power settings issue. If you look at Control Panel->Power Options this will show the preferred plan setting. Check if this is set to High Performance, if it is this would explain what you are seeing. That's because the High Performance plan is set to run the CPU at 100% at all times. If you don't want this select another plan. Or you could edit the High Performance plan by selecting Change plan settings->Change advanced power settings->Processor power management->Minimum processor state and set this to 0%.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Asus likes to Jam like 1.40v with high LLC when all on auto. A quick fix if you leave v-core auto is to adjust LLC to lvl 1 or lvl 2.

 

[chrcoluk]

This could be a Windows Power settings issue. If you look at Control Panel->Power Options this will show the preferred plan setting. Check if this is set to High Performance, if it is this would explain what you are seeing. That's because the High Performance plan is set to run the CPU at 100% at all times. If you don't want this select another plan. Or you could edit the High Performance plan by selecting Change plan settings->Change advanced power settings->Processor power management->Minimum processor state and set this to 0%.

Yep, setting min to 99 instead of 100 can make quite an impact as well without noticeable interactive lag as 99 will set to max non turbo clocks which are considerably lower vcore.

So change min on high performance from 100 to 99, and if really need min at 100 for specific workload use the ultimate power scheme.

 

[AMF]

u need a better cooler!!!

 

[Chomiq]

Look at your screens, Turbo on at idle has P-core clocks at 5.1 and bumps your VID to 1.25V minimum:

Looks like this "AI" needs some extra fine tuning.

 

[sienon]

Enabled a PL1/PL2 Limit in the BIOS to 253w for best results. Otherwise you will continue to hit the 100c limit. Which is safe by Intel standards. It's designed to either hit the Turbo limit or hit 100c, whatever comes first.

@Toothless just went through this yesterday with a 14900K.

u need a better cooler!!!

Which cooler? for example

Look at your screens, Turbo on at idle has P-core clocks at 5.1 and bumps your VID to 1.25V minimum:
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Looks like this "AI" needs some extra fine tuning.

I tried auuto tunning but it worked at the same temperatures as 5.2ghz. Couldn't lower temperatures

 

[P4-630]

Way too much TIM used imo when I look at that photo...

 

[sienon]

This could be a Windows Power settings issue. If you look at Control Panel->Power Options this will show the preferred plan setting. Check if this is set to High Performance, if it is this would explain what you are seeing. That's because the High Performance plan is set to run the CPU at 100% at all times. If you don't want this select another plan. Or you could edit the High Performance plan by selecting Change plan settings->Change advanced power settings->Processor power management->Minimum processor state and set this to 0%.

ok i did this. Thank you

 

[A&P211]

ok i did this. Thank you

Reminds me of those stickers at the gas pump "I did this".

 

[ThrashZone]

This could be a Windows Power settings issue. If you look at Control Panel->Power Options this will show the preferred plan setting. Check if this is set to High Performance, if it is this would explain what you are seeing. That's because the High Performance plan is set to run the CPU at 100% at all times. If you don't want this select another plan. Or you could edit the High Performance plan by selecting Change plan settings->Change advanced power settings->Processor power management->Minimum processor state and set this to 0%.

Hi,
Even balanced is 5% on minimum processor state
0% is basically hibernating or shut down state so no 0 is to low.

More likely is a bad pump.

 

[ir_cow]

Hi,
Even balanced is 5% on minimum processor state
0% is basically hibernating or shut down state so no 0 is to low.

More likely is a bad pump.

Too much paste and maybe the pumps not even on or running at full speed.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Too much paste and maybe the pumps not even on or running at full speed.

Pump is probably OK if he can start and run OCCT with a single core spike to 100c. That and they is using hwmonitor, not hwinfo64.

 

[unclewebb]

I tried to undervolt but I couldn't do it very well.

Post a screenshot of the ThrottleStop FIVR window. Does it say Undervolt Protection at the top middle of the FIVR window?

You have to first disable Undervolt Protection if you want to be able to undervolt a K series CPU on a B660 board. Many Asus motherboards have an option hiding in the BIOS that lets you run the early microcode, version 0x104. This is necessary to disable Undervolt Protection. This option should be in the Tweaker's Paradise section. The ThrottleStop FIVR window will show what microcode version is being used.

You also have to disable Windows core isolation memory integrity and anything else virtualization related.

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At default settings the 13600K usually gets way too much voltage when running on these boards. Once you get undervolting unlocked, you can usually knock up to 15°C off your full load Cinebench temps. The 13600K cannot be overclocked on a B660 board so the extra voltage is not necessary.

If you need help setting up ThrottleStop, check out the ThrottleStop thread here on TechPowerUp. You will find lots of useful info.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/11dbq60

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Post a screenshot of the ThrottleStop FIVR window. Does it say Undervolt Protection at the top middle of the FIVR window?

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You have to first disable Undervolt Protection if you want to be able to undervolt a K series CPU on a B660 board. Many Asus motherboards have an option hiding in the BIOS that lets you run the early microcode, version 0x104. This is necessary to disable Undervolt Protection. This option should be in the Tweaker's Paradise section. The ThrottleStop FIVR window will show what microcode version is being used.

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You also have to disable Windows core isolation memory integrity and anything else virtualization related.

How to Disable Virtualization-Based Security (VBS) in Windows 11 to Improve Gaming

Getting frame drops while playing games in Windows 11? VBS might be the reason and here's how you can disable VBS in Windows 11.

beebom.com

At default settings the 13600K usually gets way too much voltage when running on these boards. Once you get undervolting unlocked, you can usually knock up to 15°C off your full load Cinebench temps. The 13600K cannot be overclocked on a B660 board so the extra voltage is not necessary.

If you need help setting up ThrottleStop, check out the ThrottleStop thread here on TechPowerUp. You will find lots of useful info.

ThrottleStop

Optimize and tweak your Intel processor

www.techpowerup.com

More Info
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/11dbq60

You don't need to do anything to RoG b660-F to lower v-core.

It's a Full OC board equipped even with a clock generator. I have the G model.

 

[unclewebb]

You don't need to do anything to RoG b660-F to lower v-core.

Many users with many different B660 and B760 boards have reported a huge drop in performance as soon as they try to undervolt if Undervolt Protection is enabled. Cinebench R23 scores can drop in half. The CPU will still report it is running at full speed but internally, it is not. Does the ThrottleStop FIVR window report Undervolt Protection on your board? If it does, are your Cinebench scores normal when you are trying to use a negative offset voltage in the BIOS?

The B660 and B760 boards used to have a major performance robbing bug. Perhaps this has been fixed in the most recent BIOS versions. A 13600K should be able to score 23600 to 24000 in Cinebench R23 when undervolting.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Many users with many different B660 and B760 boards have reported a huge drop in performance as soon as they try to undervolt if Undervolt Protection is enabled. Cinebench R23 scores can drop in half. The CPU will still report it is running at full speed but internally, it is not. Does the ThrottleStop FIVR window report Undervolt Protection on your board? If it does, are your Cinebench scores normal when you are trying to use a negative offset voltage in the BIOS?

The B660 and B760 boards used to have a major performance robbing bug. Perhaps this has been fixed in the most recent BIOS versions. A 13600K should be able to score 23600 to 24000 in Cinebench R23 when undervolting.

Well, I just set up my X58 rig and just got to work. So no, I cannot do this right away.

But you're probably correct about the bios version.

I don't under-volt typically. There's isn't a reason for it. This chip should do 5.4ghz with auto v-core everything, touch nothing. Had one. Have a 13700K as well.

If I can soon, I'll swap the gear out and have a look, I'm sort of interested!!

 

[unclewebb]

I cannot do this right away.

No problem. If you are ever curious about this issue, try to undervolt while Undervolt Protection is enabled. Run Cinebench R23 and you will likely see a big performance hit.

I don't under-volt typically.

This problem only happens when you undervolt so that is probably why you have never run into this issue before.

There's isn't a reason for it.

You have good cooling but sienow does not. His CPU is reaching 100C and thermal throttling. Buying a better cooler could fix this problem. If he can get an undervolt to work, it will not cost him anything to lower temperatures significantly.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

No problem. If you are ever curious about this issue, try to undervolt while Undervolt Protection is enabled. Run Cinebench R23 and you will likely see a big performance hit.


This problem only happens when you undervolt so that is probably why you have never run into this issue before.


You have good cooling but sienow does not. His CPU is reaching 100C and thermal throttling. Buying a better cooler could fix this problem. If he can get an undervolt to work, it will not cost him anything to lower temperatures significantly.

Thank you.

I am using a wraith Prism set onto a 13700K without mounting for testing when I set this up.

Right now that cooler is on my x5570. He might have me beat in cooling. I do have low 55 to 60F ambient temps however.

 

[Gica]

Right click on Start ->Windows PowerShell (Admin)
Type: powercfg /list

This command returns (* = active))

For the entire suite, use the command powercfg /listprofiles and choose one (copy-paste).
If * is at Balanced, the problem is elsewhere. Probably in the BIOS because Asus uses very aggressive default settings.

 

[sienon]

Hello, thank you very much everyone for your help. Finally, the CPU load line was set to 1 on the bios, pl1 and pl2 were set to 253w. In the control panel power options, performance mode is selected and processor power management is set between 5-100%. I am sharing the test results again.

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[Gica]

PL is max 181W for 13600K
253 W is the limit for i7 and i9