6600 XT Poor Image Quality

[Chrispy_]

How is this thread still going strong?!

Go here.

Sharpness - Lagom LCD test

www.lagom.nl

Take a good, clear photo of the output at your native resolution. get some closeups to so we can identify individual pixels if you have a good enough camera.

All we have at the moment are photos from you showing a perfect, pixel-sharp output without any of this mystery blurring you're talking about. Stop talking about blur and show us.

Here's mine, and it looks like it should:

 

[FrankyP1212]

Neither having a 144 Hz monitor nor getting high maximum fps makes gameplay smooth. Also, your 6600XT isn't a 144+ fps card, unless you play older games or set detail level to low. Unfortunately, you haven't presented any meaningful data to help us troubleshoot the issue yet.

Could you show us a benchmarked run of a game with detailed statistics from RTSS like I did in my previous post? Something that we could go by other that an opinion?

What do you mean . My 6600 xt gets 144 fps even in God of War. Valorant never drops below 220 warzone is avg. 135.

 

[Mussels]

Could you play around with the pixel format modes and report back?

...also could you go into your monitor's settings and turn "Image Enhancement" to the lowest setting. And do this.

That link seems like a good explanation, bad default monitor settings

 

[eidairaman1]

That link seems like a good explanation, bad default monitor settings

W10 and 11 have a night mode, check to ensure that is disabled

 

[FrankyP1212]

Night mode is disabled. One thing I can try , is buy a cheap GPU (like a GTX 1030) just to see if the games still look unsharp and if not I would rma my GPU but it is 100 bucks down the drain but I do not see another option to check this issue. First time I build a desktop, I should have sticked to gaming laptops xD

 

[Chrispy_]

we still haven't seen your monitor output on an actual sharpness test. That would be really useful.
Perhaps stop trying irrelevant guesses in the dark, and provide some actual detail for everyone to work with.

Your screenshots look sharp. Everything that isn't a photo has looked pin-sharp with the exception of text which is expected to look blurry in a screenshot because of ClearType:

 

[omegadragon]

Yeah that is one option for sure but how can a monitor affect gaming performance that much ? I mean if a monitor is broken I would imagine it would just not turn on or have sort of artifacts on screen, which I do not have.

by making the gpu re-render and resend the frame on a error. the screen may not turn black/artifact it will just cause the game to loose fps for a moment as it re-renders the frame then speed back up if if there is no errors for a bit or tank hard if there is lots of errors. im not saying this is the issue but can happen.
there is a few things ive noticed as well: your gpu reports that the panel does not have freesync (it does) which tells me it may have a flaky chip in it or your unlucky and have one or multiple bad wires which is a possibility but not likely also you don't have resizable bar on in your bios it helps on some games can be worse on others. also do you have your ram set to full speed? if its a 3200mhz set it may need docp(bios) turned on

Night mode is disabled. One thing I can try , is buy a cheap GPU (like a GTX 1030) just to see if the games still look unsharp and if not I would rma my GPU but it is 100 bucks down the drain but I do not see another option to check this issue. First time I build a desktop, I should have sticked to gaming laptops xD

also dont get angry it happens! on your panel the individual pixels would be visible to the eye which makes things look slightly pixelated (unsharp) on higher than 15 inch screens. over 15 inch id get a 1440p panel over a 1080p one for this reason. also your 4k screen is 4 pixels in the space of one 1080p pixel is why its sharp as well XD

 

[Tetras]

What electronic devices do you have next to your pc?

What are the cables you used?

 

[FrankyP1212]

What electronic devices do you have next to your pc?

What are the cables you used?

What electronic devices do you have next to your pc?

What are the cables you used?

I use a power strip. The cables on it are from my PC, monitor and network extender

we still haven't seen your monitor output on an actual sharpness test. That would be really useful.
Perhaps stop trying irrelevant guesses in the dark, and provide some actual detail for everyone to work with.

Your screenshots look sharp. Everything that isn't a photo has looked pin-sharp with the exception of text which is expected to look blurry in a screenshot because of ClearType:
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Here are some pictures taken from my phone of the monitor including the test you sent me.

 

[Chrispy_]

Here are some pictures taken from my phone of the monitor including the test you sent me.

Thanks. We finally have a clear indicator of the problem.

Your monitor is outputting this:

from this signal:

so the 1x1 checkerboard is a diagonal stripes, and the 2x2 checkerboard has distinct diagonals going through it too.

Every other of either your horizontal or vertical pixel rows is offset by 1 pixel. It's unmistakable.

If you wouldn't mind doing the same thing, can we please have a photo of the same 6600XT plugged into another screen? (you mentioned a 4K TV, hopefully you know how to enable 1:1 or "just scan" when feeding it a 4K signal from the PC. Just to absolutely, conclusively point the blame at the right component here. If the exact same alternating-line offset jumps to the TV, then you need to raise a ticket with AMD support or RMA the card.

If the TV is fine, then you need to RMA your MSI monitor. I'm not going to jump to conclusions but searches for "MSI Optix G241 fuzzy" or "blurry" have A LOT of matches. There are threads complaining about the fuzziness caused by firmware bugs and dumb default setttings several times across forums like Reddit, THG, Guru3D, LTT, MSI's own forums, and even showing up in customer reviews on Amazon. And now it's possibly here on Techpowerup too! That's too much of a coincidence to ignore but testing your 6600XT on a different display is the only way to conclusively prove that your monitor is to blame.

 

[FrankyP1212]

Thanks. We finally have a clear indicator of the problem.

Your monitor is outputting this:
View attachment 233882

from this signal:
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so the 1x1 checkerboard is a diagonal stripes, and the 2x2 checkerboard has distinct diagonals going through it too.

Every other of either your horizontal or vertical pixel rows is offset by 1 pixel. It's unmistakable.

If you wouldn't mind doing the same thing, can we please have a photo of the same 6600XT plugged into another screen? (you mentioned a 4K TV, hopefully you know how to enable 1:1 or "just scan" when feeding it a 4K signal from the PC. Just to absolutely, conclusively point the blame at the right component here. If the exact same alternating-line offset jumps to the TV, then you need to raise a ticket with AMD support or RMA the card.

If the TV is fine, then you need to RMA your MSI monitor. I'm not going to jump to conclusions but searches for "MSI Optix G241 fuzzy" or "blurry" have A LOT of matches. There are threads complaining about the fuzziness caused by firmware bugs and dumb default setttings several times across forums like Reddit, THG, Guru3D, LTT, MSI's own forums, and even showing up in customer reviews on Amazon. And now it's possibly here on Techpowerup too! That's too much of a coincidence to ignore but testing your 6600XT on a different display is the only way to conclusively prove that your monitor is to blame.

This is from the TV

 

[omegadragon]

XD much better looking but its also bigger XD you may need to get closer to the monitors screen to get a good shot of the 1 pixel size squares

 

[FrankyP1212]

XD much better looking but its also bigger XD you may need to get closer to the screen to get a good shot of the 1 pixel size squares

I zoomed in the Image here

 

[Chrispy_]

XD much better looking but its also bigger XD you may need to get closer to the screen to get a good shot of the 1 pixel size squares

Yeah, not quite in focus but it certainly looks like it's pixel perfect from those two shots. Even if the camera's not focused enough to see clear pixel edges, it doesn't matter because the 1x1 checkerboard is even and symmetrical which means that it's capturing alternating on/off pixels. Alternating on/off image pixels is as close as possible to definitive proof that the image output to the display is perfectly sharp. Text output using ClearType (subpixel AA) requires better photography than a phone camera, but I think it's fair to say that if the MSI monitor can't even get whole pixels correct, there's no point trying to troubleshoot subpixel-level text.

Honestly, to me the G241 looks like a weird piece of kit. Hints of BGR layout, possibly even vertical BGR? This is the page to check:

Subpixel layout - Lagom LCD test

www.lagom.nl

It's hard to know without much more focused macro photos but I've only seen weirdness like this on pentile and RGBW displays before where the pixels are different size and densities depending on what colour they are.

Problem is your G241. Good luck on the web searches to either update the firmware, find out what stupid setting is doing this, or if it's unfixable just sell it on and buy something decent. At least you know your Radeon is off the hook, which is probably a good thing given how expensive and hard to get hold of GPUs are today!

 

[bencrutz]

This is from the TV

your TV is certainly better than your monitor

 

[FrankyP1212]

Well I guess I will buy another Monitor . Thinking of the Samsung G 5 or G7 If this does not fix my issues I am screwed. Since we are doing all these comparisons I am also uploading a picture of the MSI G241 with virtual super resolution set to 4K to compare with the same resolution and a screenshot of the site

 

[Chrispy_]

Well I guess I will buy another Monitor . Thinking of the Samsung G 5 or G7 If this does not fix my issues I am screwed. Since we are doing all these comparisons I am also uploading a picture of the MSI G241 with virtual super resolution set to 4K to compare with the same resolution and a screenshot of the site

yeah, VSR, scaling, or anything other than a 1:1 match of resolution completely ruins that test.

It only works because the brightness of the middle circle exactly matches the average brightness of one dark plus one bright pixel outside the circle. If you break from the perfect pixel mapping, you also break the ratio of light to dark pixels and introduce many shades of grey.

TL;DR don't worry about the VSR result, it's not applicable.

The G7 is winning loads of accolades for fast gaming. RTINGS.com, HW Unboxed on YT, TFTCentral.co.uk, and to some extent, Prad.de are the places to go for monitor reviews these days.

I'm reasonably happy with my Dell S3220DGM - both it and the 2720DGM were reviewed as very fast pixel for a VA panel and reasonably decent in all other areas. Backlight bleed is the biggest weakness but that's true for most curved screens and it's only really visible when you're seeing it from a weird angle, rather than sat down in front of it.

The newer S3222 and 2722 are out now, and relatively cheap - you could do worse than to buy from Amazon with hassle-free returns and use that as a no-quibble evaluation. Otherwise it seems like the G7 is currently the best (and one of the more expensive) options worth looking at.

 

[omegadragon]

the pic i attached is what is expected. This is from a samsung g7 conversion to a jpg to fit the site made it yellowish

 

[FrankyP1212]

Once I get hold of a new monitor I will return to this post and give an update on the results

 

[Chrispy_]

the pic i attached is what is expected. This is from a samsung g7 conversion to a jpg to fit the site made it yellowish

your camera is excellent. I can't even get results like that on my Pixel.

 

[phanbuey]

Well I guess I will buy another Monitor . Thinking of the Samsung G 5 or G7 If this does not fix my issues I am screwed. Since we are doing all these comparisons I am also uploading a picture of the MSI G241 with virtual super resolution set to 4K to compare with the same resolution and a screenshot of the site

If you're getting the G7 to fix inversion -- don't most G7 have horrific pixel walk and inversion issues -- mine certainly does.

It's so bad that it can't really display certain colors at 240hz without inversion. Goes away at 120hz

 

[eidairaman1]

Night mode is disabled. One thing I can try , is buy a cheap GPU (like a GTX 1030) just to see if the games still look unsharp and if not I would rma my GPU but it is 100 bucks down the drain but I do not see another option to check this issue. First time I build a desktop, I should have sticked to gaming laptops xD

Yup and you need a true gaming laptop, not a notebook.

Well I guess I will buy another Monitor . Thinking of the Samsung G 5 or G7 If this does not fix my issues I am screwed. Since we are doing all these comparisons I am also uploading a picture of the MSI G241 with virtual super resolution set to 4K to compare with the same resolution and a screenshot of the site

Change the cable to a high qual unit while youre at it.

 

[FrankyP1212]

Yup and you need a true gaming laptop, not a notebook.


Change the cable to a high qual unit while youre at it.

I used to have gaming notebook but its gpu stoped working that is why I upgraded. I have tried the HDMI cable that comes with the monitor, a different HDMI cable aswell as a Displayport and the image is the same.

 

[omegadragon]

tis why i dislike labtops not that they are bad just if it breaks you can loose your stuff on it...


off topic stuff:
my g7 screen doors scanlines on certain pics the clock test on the sharpness test site causes it and the star citizen launcher causes it on certain images. in but the colors are excellent orange pops nicely with epic contrast XD its not a oled but its nice XD . see pics for what i mean by screen door

your camera is excellent. I can't even get results like that on my Pixel.

i find that odd as the pixel has the same level of sensor as my iPhone X that being said the iPhone can take very crap closeup pics without some know how to do it XD

 

[FrankyP1212]

So here are two clips of me looking around in apex on 144 Hz 100+ fps which should ultra smooth , the ghosting is unbelievable.Is this really a monitor issue? This is my experience in al games btw not just apex, I just hapened to be playing it. Clip 1:

Clip 2: