Aio vs custom cooling

[FireFox]

Corsair AIOs are pretty expensive though, and AFAIK only their higher end models use ML fans. The ML fans are good, but loud, so they only hit 2/3 on the great fan checklist. Arctic hands down beats Corsair with the Liquid Freezer series and their P12/P14 fans - those are really close to Noctua levels of performance, and thanks to slightly thicker radiators than most and good cold plates they also perform very well. The EK AIOs are also excellent - largely thanks to far superior cold plates to most - but their Vardar fans are pretty loud.

You forgot to mention the Alphacool AIOs which are also excellent.

 

[Valantar]

So which manufacturers makes good aio's ?

What is the difference between a good aio and custom water cooling in temps, i don't often see aio's (no matter brand) compared to a good custom water cooling

... Again, did you read at all? Arctic and EK currently make the best AIOs, a significant step above the rest.

As for specific differences between custom and aio, that's not really doable as a general comparison as a custom loop has many parts that affect performance. Different water blocks, radiators, fans, reservoirs (=amount of coolant), pumps,
layouts, number of cooled components... There are millions and millions of possible combinations.

You forgot to mention the Alphacool AIOs which are also excellent.

That's true. Though aren't those more or less a pre-assembled open loop with QDCs?

 

[plastiscɧ]

I rode that downward spiral right to the end.. until it couldn't even cool my brothers 7700K.

i7 7700k is a lovely flagship! but the only way to handle those heatheads is to destroy them and build them up again.
mine was at the end @5000Ghz and 63°C

 

[FireFox]

aren't those more or less a pre-assembled open loop with QDCs?

Yes.
I never had an AIO before till Dec 2020 that i bought an Alphacool Eisbaer LT360, great perfomance, i was pretty amazed.
They claim that the Radiator is made of Cooper and also that the cooler bottom is made entirely of copper.

 

[ThrashZone]

ASUS rog ryujin 240 is mine. and i am just happy about not having that "wet contructionsite" inside my case.
3 vents. 2 main and one for the CPU package

it's def. called a "premium" one. and i agree

the video is in portugese language but who cares. u can get a quite good overview

Hi,
Worst thing about anything from asus is support and warranty
Bad enough to use asus mother boards and that's where I draw the line on asus products and of course I try very hard to have other extended third party warranty plans from local micro center or I wouldn't even do asus at all unless they were dirt cheap.

 

[plastiscɧ]

Hi,
Worst thing about anything from asus is support and warranty
Bad enough to use asus mother boards and that's where I draw the line on asus products and of course I try very hard to have other extended third party warranty plans from local micro center or I wouldn't even do asus at all unless they were dirt cheap.

thats possible, yes! i cannot say the opposite cus everything is still in shape.

but when something goes down the river i just buy a new one, EZ!

and if you want to drive a mercedes you also have to go to a certified workshop and pay 10 times more than necessary.
i guess thats life

 

[FireFox]

Worst thing about anything from asus is support and warranty

I dont think it is the same in every country.

 

[Chrispy_]

Often when we see linus or JayzTwoCents build a pc they often use custom cooling instead of an aio

Sometimes it's because they build in a small case and need as short tubes as possible, sometimes it's just because custom water cooling cools better

But how, how does a custom water cooling cool better than an aio ?

The GPU is by far the hottest and loudest part of a typical gaming PC

Most AIOs target the wrong component because the CPU will never be as hot or as loud as a GPU. Hell, even Threadripper with an overclock can barely match the power draw of a stock RTX 3080 FE, and most of the partner 3080 cards are factory overclocked models pulling far more power than the FE.

Whilst there is a tiny handful of AIOs designed for GPUs, the best watercooling for a GPU is usually a full-coverage waterblock which mandates a custom loop. If you're going to go to the effort of building a custom loop, adding a CPU block to the mix as well is a no-brainer.

You forgot to mention the Alphacool AIOs which are also excellent.

I looked at the Alphacool AIOs before deciding on an Alphacool custom loop.
Their AIOs are practically custom loops anyway with quick-disconnect fittings to let you modify the loop, drain and fill the loop, and add in more components to the loop.

 

[ThrashZone]

I dont think it is the same in every country.

Hi,
EU is probably better seeing the system is completely different
USA way too many bad rma experiences.

 

[plastiscɧ]

Hi,
EU is probably better seeing the system is completely different
USA way too many bad rma experiences.

u know what mate, i really love u americans! because u have a very positive mindset in general. always kind and openminded in comparison to us europeans. i mean when something goes wrong we just invent a new law to keep things in shape. but is often an obstacle as well.

i was in new york. i loved it! but when i was home again i saw our system with different eyes. liberty does not mean always doing what every you want and everything is gucci. it sometimes means rules matter! it keeps things in balance especially for ppl they are not the strongest in our societies. ( especially a man versus a big tech comapany e.g.)

i just forced discord 14 days ago delete a special server. i made them what i want. they had no chance

 

[cvaldes]

Most AIOs target the wrong component because the CPU will never be as hot or as loud as a GPU. Hell, even Threadripper with an overclock can barely match the power draw of a stock RTX 3080 FE, and most of the partner 3080 cards are factory overclocked models pulling far more power than the FE.

This is correct.

Build A: my NZXT H210 with Ryzen 5600X and 2070 SUPER. The CPU (PrimoChill 120mm radiator)'s PPT peaks at 92W (56 °C) during a Handbrake encode or Cinebench C23 test. The 2070 SUPER (PrimoChill 240mm radiator) peaks at 238W (52 °C) during a Heaven benchmark. That's right, the GPU generates 2.6 times the heat as the CPU. And during gaming, the CPU never reaches a sustained max load. That's why the CPU is on the smaller radiator. All three radiator fans are Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM grey spinners.

Build B: my Lian-Li O11D Mini with Ryzen 5800X and TUF Gaming 3080 OC. The CPU (360mm XSPC ultrathin radiator)'s PPT peaks at 102W (52 °C) during the same Handbrake encode or Cinebench C23 benchmark. The 3080 OC (360mm Alphacool ST30 radiator) peaks at 354W (43 °C) during a Heaven benchmark generating 3.5 times more heat than the CPU. Again, that's why the CPU is on the less-capable ultrathin radiator. All six radiator fans are Noctua NF-F12 1500rpm PWM beige spinners.

In both builds, the CPU radiator fans are keyed off the CPU temperature in the UEFI just like an air cooler. Both builds have an inline temperature sensor measuring the water output from the GPU cooling block. The Thermal Sensor reading is used for the GPU radiator fans. The custom loop is focused on reacting to whatever heat the GPU dumps into the loop because that is the component generating the most heat -- not the CPU.

If you are a gamer (not a competitive CPU overclocker), you are best off optimizing your GPU cooling.

 

[ThrashZone]

u know what mate, i really love u americans! because u have a very positive mindset in general. always kind and openminded in comparison to us europeans. i mean when something goes wrong we just invent a new law to keep things in shape. but is often an obstacle as well.

i was in new york. i loved it! but when i was home again i saw our system with different eyes. liberty does not mean always doing what every you want and everything is gucci. it sometimes means rules matter! it keeps things in balance especially for ppl they are not the strongest in our societies. ( especially a man versus a big tech comapany e.g.)

i just forced discord 14 days ago delete a special server. i made them what i want. they had no chance

Hi,
In the USA if your rma gets rejected for something silly you have to hit asus at facebook/ twitter.. or straight to the BBB = Better Business Bureau a long process which I'm not a member of the social media options.

 

[gasolin]

The GPU is by far the hottest and loudest part of a typical gaming PC

Most AIOs target the wrong component because the CPU will never be as hot or as loud as a GPU. Hell, even Threadripper with an overclock can barely match the power draw of a stock RTX 3080 FE, and most of the partner 3080 cards are factory overclocked models pulling far more power than the FE.

Whilst there is a tiny handful of AIOs designed for GPUs, the best watercooling for a GPU is usually a full-coverage waterblock which mandates a custom loop. If you're going to go to the effort of building a custom loop, adding a CPU block to the mix as well is a no-brainer.


I looked at the Alphacool AIOs before deciding on an Alphacool custom loop.
Their AIOs are practically custom loops anyway with quick-disconnect fittings to let you modify the loop, drain and fill the loop, and add in more components to the loop.

My gpu hardly ever get's hot, under 60 c when playing raid shadow legends and twitch in 1080 60fps on my other monitor

 

[freeagent]

Everything has to work in balance of each other. Don't get a huge case and fill it with high TDP parts and weak fans for silence.. Just like you don't need a small case filled with fans that generate massive airflow.. but people do both

I haven't felt my glass get more than luke warm during sessions.. and that's directly beside the GPU

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

The problem with custom loop is you always want to add something more to it and it costs a lot. I jumped from 280mm Corsair AIO then to 360 and 280 custom loop the. Add 2 more 140 rad and after that changing the waterblock of cpu and gpu to get lowest temp as possible. Now I end up with a chiller and 5 gallons bucket for daily usage.

 

[Chrispy_]

My gpu hardly ever get's hot, under 60 c when playing raid shadow legends and twitch in 1080 60fps on my other monitor

Hah, you might as well have said "My GPU never gets hot when playing minesweeper"

Raid Shadow Legends will apparently run on 15-year old graphics cards. It basically doesn't need or use a GPU so it's definitely not going to get the GPU hot.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Get a good air cooler for your CPU. The only thing worth putting on water nowadays (assuming you're not a competitive OC'er) would be the GPU, and even that isn't a must.

 

[freeagent]

Get a good air cooler for your CPU. The only thing worth putting on water nowadays (assuming you're not a competitive OC'er) would be the GPU, and even that isn't a must.

Its not easy cooling 7nm @ +200w

 

[Timelessest]

Do you guys think that

Its not easy cooling 7nm @ +200w

Yeah, I have a 5800x and with a silverstone pf360 it still gets 80c with cinebench and 66 average when gaming and 15c ambient temperature. If I use an air cooler I think it would start throttling.
Do you guys think this EK-Classic Kit S240 D-RGB - Black Nickel Edition – EK Webshop (ekwb.com) is worth it?
I think next year I will build a SFF pc with NR200p and 2 slim 240mm rads and don't want to expend a lot of money. Can the pump that comes with kit handle 2 240mm rads or I should be better of with another?

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Isn't all that easy to cool x299 or z490 either lol and aren't they 14++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ lol

 

[Valantar]

While the people here pointing out the much higher heat output of GPUs are of course right, they are also ignoring other important factors in cooling, such as thermal density and interface efficiency. GPUs put out tons of heat, but are cooled direct-die and have their thermal load spread evenly across the vast majority of the die. CPUs produce less heat, but have IHSes that impinge on thermal transfer in the name of safety and ease of installation, and have dramatically higher thermal density than GPUs thanks to the cores being a relatively small part of the die. This means CPUs are much more difficult to keep cool overall - as demonstrated by the numbers posted above by people talking about prioritizing their GPUs in their loops. A GPU on water will run cool almost no matter what - remember how AMD's previous water cooled reference designs have been? Cool, quiet (unless you got a whiny Fury X like me), and all with a 120mm rad. A 240 will of course run cooler or allow for slower fans, but a 120 can still handle a 300W GPU with a good fan. There is no way whatsoever you'd be able to cool a 300W CPU with a 120mm rad, no matter the fan - it would be thermal throttling long before hitting those power levels. CPUs simply aren't able to dissipate their heat efficiently enough, and thus require as much attention in a custom loop as the GPU despite the much lower thermal output in watts. After all, what matters isn't the heat output, but the temperature of the die. Everything else is there to control that one thing. And at any given wattage, a GPU will always be easier to cool than a CPU.

 

[gasolin]

Hah, you might as well have said "My GPU never gets hot when playing minesweeper"

Raid Shadow Legends will apparently run on 15-year old graphics cards. It basically doesn't need or use a GPU so it's definitely not going to get the GPU hot.

most i have seen is around 70 c og max 30% on the fans (stock settings,silent bios)

Its not easy cooling 7nm @ +200w

I have 14nm and think i have + 170 watt 1.220 volt 5ghz bios is setting it to 1.230 https://valid.x86.fr/lt8gyb

 

[cvaldes]

Do you guys think this EK-Classic Kit S240 D-RGB - Black Nickel Edition – EK Webshop (ekwb.com) is worth it?
I think next year I will build a SFF pc with NR200p and 2 slim 240mm rads and don't want to expend a lot of money. Can the pump that comes with kit handle 2 240mm rads or I should be better of with another?

These starter kits are a decent way to get introduced into the world of custom cooling; I'm guessing the instructions that come with the EKWB kit provide step-by-step guidance. I've heard that EKWB also provides good customer support. (Note: I did not use one of these kits but selected various components from a variety of manufacturers myself.)

That starter kit pump should be fine to push liquid through two 240mm slim radiators. I have an inexpensive Phobya pump that moves water without issue through two 360mm radiators (one ultraslim, the other is a standard 30mm thick), one CPU block and one full-length GPU waterblock in a straightforward cooling loop. The EKWB starter kit pump might struggle to push water through a more complicated setup (like a large distribution plate, cooling blocks for additional components like motherboard VRM, m.2 SSDs, etc.).

Once you get more involved in custom cooling, having a spare pump and reservoir is pretty helpful when you want to test new loop components outside of a functional build.

 

[gasolin]

max temps on my gup i so in dirt 5 was 66c and 24% on the fans max i so on was 32%

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Worst thing I did was buy ek starter kit p280's
Reservoir pump combos are total junk leak at base o-ring, fitting are plated metal not brass fluid is nightmare