AMD AM5 / Intel Gen 14 Upgrade

[JustBenching]

What is your price range and what are you doing with the computer?

DDR4 Motherboards limit your choices a lot.

Edit: I like the MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WiFi DDR4. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-mag-z790-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4/ . vRM Thermals could be better, but unless your planning on cooling 320watt from the CPU, you shouldn't be concerned.

You think it's because of the heatsinks that vrms shoot up in temps? My unify X rarely exceeds 50-55c at torture tests and doesn't seem like it has much bigger heatsinks.

 

[ir_cow]

@HuLkY Only tested the GB 650E on your list (also no longer the MB reviewer). You can find the review on TPU. Besides the ASUS VRM overvolt issues, which I believe are resolved now, my impression of ASUS higher end AM5 is "meh" for what you get. Seems ASUS fans like the Strix though. A Quick compare between the E and F is only one M.2 socket and PCIE slots. I'm sure there is more like small things like USB ports.

All three are good choices in their own way. Now your task is to tally up all the features you would like and all the things you MUST have. See which one is closest.

You think it's because of the heatsinks that vrms shoot up in temps? My unify X rarely exceeds 50-55c at torture tests and doesn't seem like it has much bigger heatsinks.

Hits 100c without proper cooling. of course that is worse case CPU workloads. Either limit the CPU PL1/PL2 to 253watts or don't use that MB for heavy CPU stuff without some good airflow around the VRM.

 

[JustBenching]

Hits 100c without proper cooling. of course that is worse case CPU workloads. Either limit the CPU PL1/PL2 to 253watts or don't use that MB for heavy CPU stuff without some good airflow around the VRM.

It's not even a particularly cheap motherboard. Any idea whether the cheaper msi z790 pro a is better / worse in that regard?

 

[ir_cow]

It's not even a particularly cheap motherboard. Any idea whether the cheaper msi z790 pro a is better / worse in that regard?

In this case, it was the heatsink that isn't up to par for such activities. 16 phase - Renesas ISL99390 (90a) is plenty. I can't really say what is worse since I haven't gotten my hands on a lot of Z790 MSI MBs, but the whole B660 / Z690 VRM heat thing suck ass.

If the B670/Z790 ones uses the same heatsinks, I think the results will be similar as well.

 

[Why_Me]

Hi All,

I will be finally upgrading my PC, I will be picking 14700K as my CPU, I also picked This for the CPU to help with the heat a bit, my main issue is, which motherboard should I pick?

I am willing to have a MATX motherboard but I don't know about which chip should I go for? Z690, Z790 or wait for the new X iteration with a better WiFi and enhancements? or should I get a beefy B760? I don't want to spend a lot for an ASUS $$$$ motherboard with the prices going above 300$+, I won't be crazy OCing but I want a motherboard that will stick with me for a long time - I upgrade each 5-7 years maybe.
and which RAM kit do you recommend at which frequency? I am not so familiar with the sweet spot for Intel CPUs with DDR5 - I am coming from DDR4 3200MHz @ CL14 G.Skill kit, I think 32GB is the new standard now?

Thank you all for your help and recommendations in advance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8m6p99/msi-pro-z790-a-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-a-wifi
MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI $209.99

PRO Z790-A WIFI

PRO series motherboards tuned for better performance by 16 Duet Rail Power System, DDR5 memory, Lightning Gen5 PCIe, Pre-installed IO, Extended Heatsink, M.2 Shield Frozr, Wi-Fi 6E, 2.5G LAN, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2

www.msi.com

 

[HuLkY]

Thank you all for the precious inputs, I got it all in the cart now and waiting for BF maybe any miracle happens *fingers crossed*

I had the first two pieces and something funny happened I will post it later on when I am home

So the first pieces of my build/ upgrade, older PC was 8700K and served me well from 2017 till last week..here we go

For CPU cooling, I got this one for 25USD

And ordered the AM5 bracket but for some reason Amazon sent me both, tried to return the wrong one, they refunded me both!! Anyways it costs 8USD

 

[Macro Device]

And ordered the AM5 bracket but for some reason Amazon sent me both, tried to return the wrong one, they refunded me both!!

Wish I had the same luck with everything...

Is your new build up and running already?

 

[HuLkY]

Wish I had the same luck with everything...

Is your new build up and running already?

I still got the CPU, Mobo and RAM to order but I got them in many carts, crossing fingers for BF!

 

[Macro Device]

I still got the CPU, Mobo and RAM to order but I got them in many carts, crossing fingers for BF!

Gotchu. Briday makes no sense where I live, tronics are same level expensive as usual, just with "funny" price tags ($9999 $1399 with the "normal" price of $1389 lol). Good luck anyway!

 

[ZenZimZaliben]

Look into the 14700KF if you have no interest in running the integrated gpu. Should give more headroom as well for power limits and what not. z790 is the way to go. I have been strongly considering an upgrade to the 14700KF as well. My 10700k has been a great cpu but I want the newer feature set on the z790 and faster ram.

 

[ir_cow]

KF is just defective K CPUs.

 

[Macro Device]

KF is just defective K CPUs.

I also don't get it where they get this info on KF CPUs running cooler/faster and/or being better overclockers than K CPUs. It's almost always the opposite way around.

 

[ir_cow]

I also don't get it where they get this info on KF CPUs running cooler/faster and/or being better overclockers than K CPUs. It's almost always the opposite way around.

There was already a thread about this. The KF CPU doesn't run cooler compared to the K if the igpu isn't being used. Even so, we aren't talking about 20-30c.

Put it this way, no one is setting world records with KF CPUs.

 

[HuLkY]

Gotchu. Briday makes no sense where I live, tronics are same level expensive as usual, just with "funny" price tags ($9999 $1399 with the "normal" price of $1389 lol). Good luck anyway!

Tech prices are different one place another yet I am hoping for any discounts on the items I want on BF, we will see!

 

[Gica]

There is no difference between K and KF. Maybe some KF have a problem with IGP, maybe not, but the processor passed the tests required for 14700K. If we take the discussion in this direction, then all AMD processors under 7950X are defective 7950X.

 

[HuLkY]

Look into the 14700KF if you have no interest in running the integrated gpu. Should give more headroom as well for power limits and what not. z790 is the way to go. I have been strongly considering an upgrade to the 14700KF as well. My 10700k has been a great cpu but I want the newer feature set on the z790 and faster ram.

Intel released that 14th gen DOA; the socket is no longer getting anything new unlike AMD. I will be on the 7800X3D and see how the next two gens act from AMD, more future proof I would say.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

Intel released that 14th gen DOA; the socket is no longer getting anything new unlike AMD. I will be on the 7800X3D and see how the next two gens act from AMD, more future proof I would say.

The standard person is not going to start upgrading within 10 years with a 14th gen Intel CPU that will be future-proof for a very long time.
In any case, I usually upgrade about only once every 11 years and my PSU I've currently been using for 16 years without ever seeing a stability problem.

By the time it gets really interesting to upgrade for most people the latest AMD CPUs use AM6 or AM7 sockets.

 

[HuLkY]

The standard person is not going to start upgrading within 10 years with a 14th gen Intel CPU that will be future-proof for a very long time.
In any case, I usually upgrade about only once every 11 years and my PSU I've currently been using for 16 years without ever seeing a stability problem.

By the time it gets really interesting to upgrade for most people the latest AMD CPUs use AM6 or AM7 sockets.

That's a good POV; I did so with my 8700K till the whole platform started aging or the new ones are getting better faster? depending on how you see it. Still I will encourage AMD practice with a solid socket for many generations while Intel is literally milking us the users badly... I like how AMD moved with Ryzan since Gen 1 and the signs that they won't be stopping soon, let's see how it goes. This will be my 1st AMD CPU since my good old Phenom II 710

 

[Shou Miko]

@HuLkY speaking of AMD and their AM5 several sources seems to agree that AMD will support AM5 for now up until 2026 but only time can tell.

I was invested in AM4 but trying to track down good low timing DDR4 was a challenge and so I invested in my current AM5, where I had a hiccup but that was Asus' fault the bios was in read mode only so could be up or down graded that was sorted with a motherboard swap other than that and the G.Skill Flare X5 EXPO memory I am running at 6000MT/s it's been a solid experience with both RX 6800 XT and RX 7900 XT.

I cannot speak much for NVME support because my Windows 11 is still running on a Gen3 NVME SSD from Gigabyte with 2GB DDR3L Cache and my Sabrent Gen4 as a game library.

 

[HuLkY]

@HuLkY speaking of AMD and their AM5 several sources seems to agree that AMD will support AM5 for now up until 2026 but only time can tell.

I was invested in AM4 but trying to track down good low timing DDR4 was a challenge and so I invested in my current AM5, where I had a hiccup but that was Asus' fault the bios was in read mode only so could be up or down graded that was sorted with a motherboard swap other than that and the G.Skill Flare X5 EXPO memory I am running at 6000MT/s it's been a solid experience with both RX 6800 XT and RX 7900 XT.

I cannot speak much for NVME support because my Windows 11 is still running on a Gen3 NVME SSD from Gigabyte with 2GB DDR3L Cache and my Sabrent Gen4 as a game library.

I am doing the same exactly! I got my good old Gen 3 NVMEs, I don't need the nanoseconds Gen 4 or 5 for now and about the RAM I picked 6000MTs with the tightest timing I could find also, we share a lot I see!

 

[SchumannFrequency]

That's a good POV; I did so with my 8700K till the whole platform started aging or the new ones are getting better faster?

But the current nodes cannot be reduced much more; one has almost collided with the hard limits of physics. However, one can further optimize the designs and thus use the nodes more optimally.
But once the designs are completely optimal, the only option is to switch to another material, or to switch to light computers.

The story of yearly significant improvements in desktop CPUs produced with crystalline silicon will be completely over in about 7 years.

I like how AMD moved with Ryzan since Gen 1 and the signs that they won't be stopping soon, let's see how it goes. This will be my 1st AMD CPU since my good old Phenom II 710

Intel Core i5 14600K & Intel Core i9 14900K Linux Benchmarks Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Ultimately it comes down to what workload(s) are most important to you for how well the Intel Core 14th Gen CPUs compete or outperform the AMD Ryzen 7000 series. The Core i9 14900K and Core i5 14600K were great for gaming/graphics, web browsers, if running many single-threaded Python or PHP scripts, creator software like GIMP and Darktable, etc. Or for SOHO/development small servers like for PostgreSQL, Memcached, and Node.js the Intel 14th Gen CPUs worked out well as good options. When it comes to more of the HPC-type workloads and other heavily multi-threaded tasks the positioning of Raptor Lake Refresh against Zen 4 varied based on particulars of the software under test.

So basically for most tasks that matter to the home and professional market, the new Intel CPUs are hard to beat.

 

[Macro Device]

my PSU I've currently been using for 16 years

It's dangerously old. I'd buy a new one just to be sure nothing will blow up.

 

[P4-630]

There is no difference between K and KF. Maybe some KF have a problem with IGP

Intel F means no iGPU.
Any intel F CPU doesn't have a functional iGPU.

 

[HuLkY]

Intel F means no iGPU.
Any intel F CPU doesn't have a functional iGPU.

You guys forgot the famous KFC one

But the current nodes cannot be reduced much more; one has almost collided with the hard limits of physics. However, one can further optimize the designs and thus use the nodes more optimally.
But once the designs are completely optimal, the only option is to switch to another material, or to switch to light computers.

The story of yearly significant improvements in desktop CPUs produced with crystalline silicon will be completely over in about 7 years.

Intel Core i5 14600K & Intel Core i9 14900K Linux Benchmarks Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Ultimately it comes down to what workload(s) are most important to you for how well the Intel Core 14th Gen CPUs compete or outperform the AMD Ryzen 7000 series. The Core i9 14900K and Core i5 14600K were great for gaming/graphics, web browsers, if running many single-threaded Python or PHP scripts, creator software like GIMP and Darktable, etc. Or for SOHO/development small servers like for PostgreSQL, Memcached, and Node.js the Intel 14th Gen CPUs worked out well as good options. When it comes to more of the HPC-type workloads and other heavily multi-threaded tasks the positioning of Raptor Lake Refresh against Zen 4 varied based on particulars of the software under test.

So basically for most tasks that matter to the home and professional market, the new Intel CPUs are hard to beat.

If all CPUs are that tough now - I second that! - then AMD is worth the try since they emit a bit less heat? Consume less? And that cache is the icing on the cake for games!

 

[P4-630]

KFC

I like that now and then!

My favorite chicken.