AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs

[ZoneDymo]

I do not know why it's so hard for you guys to wait till reviews are out to share judgement.

Humanity never fails to disappoint

 

[nguyen]

A small percentage is always a small number because it relates to a larger whole

"a billion dollars is a small amount of money because that is less than 1% of what Bezos made"
this is what your statement implied.
Does Bezos himself think 1bil is a small amount of money ? definitely not, since he has sound mind after all.

oh well since I dont bully disabled kid I just forgive all your insults, gave me good laugh also.

 

[Maye88]

Can you correct your benchmarks for the 3080? Cause you used framerates for the 3080 for BL3 on ULTRA not Badass...

I also think AMD purposefully chose from among their worst games. Historically AMD has always underperformed on UE4 compared to Nvidia.

 

[b1k3rdude]

Untill TPU gets their hands on an actual RX6000 card and runs it in the same system as a 2080ti/3080, this article is noithing more than pointless fluff.

 

[INSTG8R]

The only things that can be compared is it was the same game and at 4K the rest is irrelevant as a comparable.

 

[Jism]

I do not know why it's so hard for you guys to wait till reviews are out to share judgement.

So many people wrote that the Big Navi woud'nt be nothing more then a 2x 5700 in relation of performance. Well they appearantly got more out of it at this point. And the "large" cache players a significant role along with it. I'm curious in the tech, only just a few more weeks, to see what rabbit AMD pulls out of the hat this time.

 

[Nkd]

Yeah Navi21 selling at 600usd +-50usd can already be called high end gaming.
The elephant in the room here is AMD would like to make profit that could later turn into R&D budget, AMD can't do that if they go into a price war against Nvidia (whom already maintain godly profit margin). Therefore the only way AMD can do is slot their GPU into the gap between Nvidia price brackets, selling as many as they could while maintain as high profit margin as they can (5700/5700XT ring any bells ? ) .

Nvidia already knew 3080/3090 would have no direct competition; the 3070 is the one that Nvida is prepping to counter Big Navi. If AMD decide to price Navi21 at 500usd then Nvidia would have to lower the 3070 price accordingly, though I doubt AMD would do that.

Overall Nvidia is touting 3080 as their flagship gaming GPU, there is no shame for Navi21 being slightly slower. Remember that Nvidia only need TU104 to beat AMD flagship before.

If its 5% slower on average then 3080 that doesn't actually make it 3070 competitor though. So not sure what everyone is getting when they call it 3070 competitor. Its more like 3080 competitor.

 

[Zach_01]

So many people wrote that the Big Navi woud'nt be nothing more then a 2x 5700 in relation of performance. Well they appearantly got more out of it at this point. And the "large" cache players a significant role along with it. I'm curious in the tech, only just a few more weeks, to see what rabbit AMD pulls out of the hat this time.

And the biggest mistake a lot of people made is that they thought that it was 2x5700XTs glued together on some kind of crossfire mode and and we know that cant even make a +70~80% performance. I'm expecting to be a real close 3080 competitor with more gap in price compared to performance gap, and with less power draw also. Wont beat it in all aspects but still.

Edit:
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[INSTG8R]

If its 5% slower on average then 3080 that doesn't actually make it 3070 competitor though. So not sure what everyone is getting when they call it 3070 competitor. Its more like 3080 competitor.

And these numbers are being extrapolated from a completely inaccurate chart so there are no reliable comparisons yet...

 

[hathoward]

Can't wait to see AMD GPU event. If they can dethrone the 3090 it'll be the first full team red rig I've built in over 20 years. (Yes I know that was before the Radeon acquisition...)

 

[quadibloc]

I know there are a lot of people saying that the card they teased wasn't their absolute top-end card.
On the one hand, why not tease the absolute top end card in a situation like that, since doing so would give bigger numbers, which would be more impressive - and nothing else, really, but those three numbers, was revealed.
On the other hand, one would expect AMD to make an effort, if only for prestige purposes, to have something out there that would beat the 3090 or at least the 3080.
Nvidia's 3090 is "overpriced" at least in the sense that it is significantly behind the 3080 in price versus performance. So if you want the very best, you will have to pay a premium - and the 3090's performance will only yield dividends if one is gaming at a really high resolution.
So if nearly all the sales, and hence, nearly all the profits, are going to be made from sales of cards like the 3070, then AMD does only really need to compete in that arena.
And just because the new Nvidia cards are better bargains than Turing doesn't mean that AMD couldn't undercut them the same way they undercut Turing: skimp on the ray tracing, since frame rate, and not good looks, is what gamers tend to be concerned about.
Big, but budget priced, and better focused. Nvidia can have the ultra top-end to itself.
But that's only one possibility, and I think AMD will try to offer some ray-tracing capability that sort of looks comparable, and it will try as hard as it can to have something comparable even to Nvidia's top-tier offerings if it can. Maybe in the form of dual-GPU cards if it has to.

 

[arbiter]

Even if card is say within 15% which i think AMD numbers claim. They couldn't sell it for around same price or even hell 100$ still doesn't make it the better buy without question. All gotta do is look at software suite nvidia is offering with their cards right now. The Green screen, DLSS, nvenc, RTX voice and that is only naming a few. Unless you don't need those things for people that stream for example all those features make nvidia card better buy. AMD needs more then just coming close to nvidia atm. Truthfully the within 15% of rtx3080 is suspect at best just cause AMD's history of things.

 

[Vayra86]

"a billion dollars is a small amount of money because that is less than 1% of what Bezos made"
this is what your statement implied.
Does Bezos himself think 1bil is a small amount of money ? definitely not, since he has sound mind after all.

oh well since I dont bully disabled kid I just forgive all your insults, gave me good laugh also.

So the financial situation of an individual, relative to all the money in the world, is the same as a market segment now?

You're totally not grasping at straws now, are you? You're also not bullying at all, following up with a clear insult as you just did
All I gave you was a perspective on your view of statistic. You took that as an insult and ran with it, you still didn't let that go. And you still didn't get the slightest idea about what Steam stats do and don't tell you. Now I'm a 'disabled kid' Cool, man. You're the real adult here.

 

[r9]

Me personally I liked that comparison as I thought doing it myself, so this article saved me some work.
I did not expect to be hard proof but a ballpark and it should be taken as that.

The fact is if the test was showing that Big Navi was 20% faster than RTX 3080 it would have been taken as a rock solid proof that it is faster than RTX 3080 by the same people that bitch and moan in this thread right now.

 

[INSTG8R]

Me personally I liked that comparison as I thought doing it myself, so this article saved me some work.
I did not expect to be hard proof but a ballpark and it should be taken as that.

The fact is if the test was showing that Big Navi was 20% faster than RTX 3080 it would have been taken as a rock solid proof that it is faster than RTX 3080 by the same people that bitch and moan in this thread right now.

That’s the problemi tho the s not even ball park close comparison its being used to declare victory/defeat when there is zero comparison data available from the short test we saw

 

[Zach_01]

It was just a “tease”. Perhaps to show to people that 6000 is not only a 2080Ti/3070 competitor but something more.
If they wanted to be clear about the 3080 they would have done it already. I’m thinking they don’t rush things about it because they know that RTX30 series is on short supply right now.

I fully understand that many do not believe that AMD may have something worthy at hand because of the so called history. But who also believed 3-4 years ago that AMD would catch and get ahead the CPU game in such short time. Intel failures also helped but still, AMD alone has done some worthy job, increasing their CPU performance per watt more than 200% from prior to 2017.

Yes we should be prudent about next AMD announcement, but there is a lot of evidence that things are working well inside AMD. And they are focused on their goals.

By the claims that rumors state about the enhanced node (density) and enhanced/refined architecture = +50% performance/watt they could actually be very close to top challenging nVidia.

No I don’t believe that they can repeat the CPU ZEN3 story, but RDNA2 could be their ZEN2 time in the GPU world, as I’ve said a few times.

 

[wolf]

People must either be in denial or lack good analytical skills if you think AMD would show their BEST card at a CPU event when they have a GPU event at the end of the month.

They've been mum on details all year with Navi and if I were to place a bet I would think the performance is closer to the RTX 3080 then people want to admit. People also need to keep in mind that even if it doesn't absolutely win over the 3080, if it's priced $100 cheaper than the "MSRP $699" then Nvidia has lost this battle. No regular person would pay $100-$200 more for only 5% to 10% better performance with a power hungry card (though the RTX 3090 sales kinda undermine my point ).

Whether it's the fastest Big NAVI card or not, who knows, opinion is pretty divided on that and for now you can believe what you want to believe based on your interpretation and perception.

As for if it goes punch for punch with a 3080 but sells for cheaper "then Nvidia has lost this battle. No regular person would pay $100-$200 more for only 5% to 10% better performance", that might be true if both offerings were from the same company, but even then people are willing to pay more than double for ~10-15% more with the 3090. Then don't forget that Nvidia has the market and mindshare, even at a price/performance disadvantage, they will sell a buttload of cards. Beyond that we have no indication of relative RT performance and whether than can answer DLSS with anything better than a 70% render scale with contrast adaptive sharpening. If AMD steps it up and can match the performance (or even take the crown) and match the feature set, even then I'd wager Nvidia cards still flying off the shelves, these things take a long time to slowly change.

So many people here seem so sure of AMD and this product, and I've seen this cycle release after release. "Nvidia is worried about AMD this time!", "Nvidia will lose this battle, [insert architecture here] is so powerful/efficient this time!" etc etc... and I just find it so strange that release after release the cycle continues with the same flavour of statements. I guess if they do it enough times, they're bound to be right eventually. Don't get me wrong, I desperately want AMD to to contend with the top cards and even be top dog again, but I've learned to be cautiously optimistic rather than talking so surely of myself when really, I actually know next to nothing.

 

[INSTG8R]

I hate the current attude that the battle is already over from a 5 second clip
i will only share my ”worst case”
it will perform between 70 and 8 6and90n the b3070 nd 80 will be more efficient actros the board A competitive privce they filled a gap they exclusively

 

[Totally]

I hate the current attude that the battle is already over from a 5 second clip
i will only share my ”worst case”
it will perform between 70 and 8 6and90n the b3070 nd 80 will be more efficient actros the board A competitive privce they filled a gap they exclusively

This is what I'm thinking too. Thinking back on past releases they probably have two SKUs. First card with two variants: First variant, similar to slightly better performance than the 3070 performance, better efficiency at load (never seen AMD have better Nvidia's efficiency at at idle or basic tasks), priced accordingly and a second slightly beefier version with higher clocks and/or more VRAM; Second card, Full die heavily oc'd out the box, worse efficiency due to oc and increased power limits, perf that is a few % lower than 3080, priced accordingly.

 

[Vayra86]

I hate the current attude that the battle is already over from a 5 second clip
i will only share my ”worst case”
it will perform between 70 and 8 6and90n the b3070 nd 80 will be more efficient actros the board A competitive privce they filled a gap they exclusively

I think something went wrong there, but I agree

 

[INSTG8R]

I think something went wrong there, but I agree

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Yeah don’t know hat/ happened there...eloquent in bonsense... I already have issue typing on thite. predicttive spell spell checkm, formatting all esch other. it wouldn’t churn out something alooetue

 

[Vayra86]

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Yeah don’t know hat/ happened there...eloquent in bonsense... I already have issue typing on thite. predicttive spell spell checkm, formatting all esch other. it wouldn’t churn out something alooetue

I stundtanerd comelptyle!

 

[Kapone33]

Can't read ? too poor for education ?
What part of "almost 1% of Steam Hardware Survey" is too hard to understand ?
Steam has a player base of 90 millions active users as of april 2019, 1% of that means 900 000 players own 2080 Ti. Yeah it's niche alright.

I have 1 laptop and 2 PCs with my Steam account. Which one does Steam report as mine? Steam is not a reliable source for GPU numbers. One of the best examples of a place to look would be a German retailer to see historical data on sales. You can find it for CPUs so the same should be true for GPUs.

 

[EarthDog]

I have 1 laptop and 2 PCs with my Steam account. Which one does Steam report as mine? Steam is not a reliable source for GPU numbers. One of the best examples of a place to look would be a German retailer to see historical data on sales. You can find it for CPUs so the same should be true for GPUs.

it should ask from the same pc it was installed on. Cookies.

Link?

 

[Kapone33]

it should ask from the same pc it was installed on. Cookies.

Link?

Sorry I can't even copy the link from my work laptop. Another way to gauge GPU sales is Amazon's top lists. I think it only does the US right now but I still think it is better than Steam.

Amazon Best Sellers: Best Computer Graphics Cards

Discover the best Computer Graphics Cards in Best Sellers. Find the top 100 most popular items in Amazon Computers & Accessories Best Sellers.

www.amazon.com