AMD Catalyst 11.1 WHQL and 11.1a Hotfix Formally Announced

FreedomEclipse · Jan 27, 2011

would be nice if they increased the 5850crossfire performance as they are the ones more prone to driver issues rather then single cards

PopcornMachine · Jan 27, 2011

Regarding the Catalyst version. I noticed that not updating earlier, and found a registry entry containing the value.

Changed it to an empty string hoping it would force an update upon driver installation. But now it just stays blank.

As I recall, the number after atiumdag does get updated and is what is really important. I think.

trickson · Jan 27, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Yup. They killed my old install too after 1 BSOD. Im sticking with 10.10e until I get a new GPU

WOW sorry to hear this . I am glad I am not the only one having serious issues with these ATI crap drivers . But not glad your OS was fucked up like mine . Man ATI seems to be far off there game as of late . How many more drivers do you think will be out in the next month or so ? I be at least 3 more ! What a fucking joke ATI has really dropped the ball !

twistedneck · Jan 28, 2011

trickson said:
WOW sorry to hear this . I am glad I am not the only one having serious issues with these ATI crap drivers . But not glad your OS was fucked up like mine . Man ATI seems to be far off there game as of late . How many more drivers do you think will be out in the next month or so ? I be at least 3 more ! What a fucking joke ATI has really dropped the ball !

I know, its almost as if they can't control this beast the 69xx series. What are the big issues that cause these driver problems? is it different OS, hardware combos, what is the hardest part of writing a driver?

trickson · Jan 28, 2011

twistedneck said:
I know, its almost as if they can't control this beast the 69xx series. What are the big issues that cause these driver problems? is it different OS, hardware combos, what is the hardest part of writing a driver?

What ever it is they have a huge issue and some really lazy programmers IMHO . Having to turn out driver update and hot fix after hot fix kinda seems a tad fucked up to me .

m4gicfour · Jan 28, 2011

JF-AMD...

I noticed you're browsing this thread. I'm having the version # issue as well. mine says 10.12.

Any thoughts on whats going on?

Edit

I realize it's not your department, but as someone who works at AMD, perhaps you are in contact with the graphics division in some form or with QA, R&D, etc and could pick somebody's brain, somebody who IS involved with this stuff.

If you were so inclined, of course

SvB4EvA · Jan 28, 2011

m4gicfour said:
JF-AMD...

I noticed you're browsing this thread. I'm having the version # issue as well. mine says 10.12.

Any thoughts on whats going on?

Edit

I realize it's not your department, but as someone who works at AMD, perhaps you are in contact with the graphics division in some form or with QA, R&D, etc and could pick somebody's brain, somebody who IS involved with this stuff.

If you were so inclined, of course

I'd like to know too. Seems its wide spread, and I havent seen a single report from some one having the correct version numbers.

trickson · Jan 28, 2011

LOL ! what a debacle !!! LOL . I love my HD5770's though ! Not so much ATI's programing team . LOL . I can't help but laugh about this any more .

SvB4EvA · Jan 28, 2011

trickson said:
LOL ! what a debacle !!! LOL . I love my HD5770's though ! Not so much ATI's programing team . LOL . I can't help but laugh about this any more .

For what its worth, even tho I had to spend like half an hour to figure out what to install and the version numbers are incorrect, I did get a pretty serious performance increase. I'm talking upgrading to the next level of card type of increase. That type of increase from (free) software alone is very nice.

trickson · Jan 28, 2011

SvB4EvA said:
For what its worth, even tho I had to spend like half an hour to figure out what to install and the version numbers are incorrect, I did get a pretty serious performance increase. I'm talking upgrading to the next level of card type of increase. That type of increase from (free) software alone is very nice.

Cool . I am however going to wait ( I know it will not be long ) till they come out with the HOT FIX to these drivers then I will try them LOL ! Maybe the 11.2's will be better LOL . :laugh:

SvB4EvA · Jan 28, 2011

trickson said:
Cool . I am however going to wait ( I know it will not be long ) till they come out with the HOT FIX to these drivers then I will try them LOL ! Maybe the 11.2's will be better LOL .

We can only hope... :roll:

TheMailMan78 · Jan 28, 2011

Ya know I have NEVER had a problem with ATI drivers untill 10.11 and up. Ever since they started 69/68xx series enhancements.

Bundy · Jan 28, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Ya know I have NEVER had a problem with ATI drivers untill 10.11 and up. Ever since they started 69/68xx series enhancements.

For me, I was ok until I did a steam driver update - unrecoverable BSOD. Had to reinstall the OS. I changed then from Vista to Win 7 and have not found a fully stable driver since (10.10)

SvB4EvA · Jan 28, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Ya know I have NEVER had a problem with ATI drivers untill 10.11 and up. Ever since they started 69/68xx series enhancements.

I have since 1998. :nutkick:

Starting with my Rage128 which was plagued by bad drivers.

I'm neither a NV or ATI fanboy... I have been spreading the wealth for 13-14 years. In that time ive owned about ~4 ATI cards and about ~3 NV. Maybe I don't remember, but I just cant recall ever having a driver problem with an NV card. Maybe I just lucked out and had an NV card every time their drivers were excellent.

I even remember promising myself to never buy ATI again in 1998. Obviously that didn't happen. :laugh:

I kinda just go with the best "bang for the buck" card at the time I want to upgrade. Just so happens the 6950 with the ability to run the 6970 BIOS won this battle a few weeks ago when my GTX 260 started to seem iffy.

These latest drivers are working fine for me now (11.1a). It took a BSOD to get them installed, but the promised performance increase is there for sure. Tho something as simple as incorrect version numbers is embarrassing to say the least.

I hope the next hotfix or driver version from ATI/AMD is a homerun, they sure need it right about now.

simlariver · Jan 28, 2011

This is the first time I had to use Driver sweeper. I was unable to upgrade CCC, I still had the old one after 11.1 package install ...

I am good now, but really disappointed.

Driver Sweeper

Jack Doph · Jan 28, 2011

Rather amazing to read so many horror stories with the latest round of drivers :/
The only thing I needed to do was install 11.1 (not the hotfix) and then did a repair-install of the Stream SDK (v2.3).
I have all options available on my HD5850 (MLAA/Tessellation/etc.) via CCC and have noticed an average performance increase of about 10% across the board in ALL apps & games.
Furthermore.. all fonts look great again, which were screwy in the last couple of releases (for me at least).

The version number IS incorrect though, so it'll be interesting to see how soon AMD will get their collective fingers out

SvB4EvA · Jan 28, 2011

Jack Doph said:
Rather amazing to read so many horror stories with the latest round of drivers :/
The only thing I needed to do was install 11.1 (not the hotfix) and then did a repair-install of the Stream SDK (v2.3).
I have all options available on my HD5850 (MLAA/Tessellation/etc.) via CCC and have noticed an average performance increase of about 10% across the board in ALL apps & games.
Furthermore.. all fonts look great again, which were screwy in the last couple of releases (for me at least).

The version number IS incorrect though, so it'll be interesting to see how soon AMD will get their collective fingers out

screen shot of version numbers!

Jack Doph · Jan 28, 2011

Sure thing.
I did say the version number is still wrong

http://img255.imageshack.us/f/ati111driver.jpg/

MLAA/Tessellation/etc.:

http://img600.imageshack.us/f/ati111driver2.jpg/

HD5850 screenie:

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9047/hd5850screenie.gif

OK..images not showing, so the links instead :/

leonard_222003 · Jan 29, 2011

Mussels said:
GPU support is up to the program, not ATI.

ATI supports direct compute and openCL, so if these pro editing programs wanted to get ATI hardware acceleration, its entirely possible... but they want their Nvidia sponsorship.

But me as end user of these products ( video cards ) i don't need to care why this doesn't happen for Ati EVER , there is not a single pro video editing app accelerated by Ati properly (gpu encoding ) , there is not a single game with physics on Ati's platform , what should i do ? blame Adobe , Edius , Sony , Avid , Microsoft , Ubisoft , Electronic Arts , THQ , Eidos ......etc. about everyone that is important.
Adobe said they wanted to include Ati's Stream acceleration but it's not ready at all , proof it's not ready at all even now is the lack of any usefull application , even their own encoding application Avivo doesn't use the GPU , i tried it and the gpu isnt used at all and the end result is always very bad.

FreedomEclipse · Jan 29, 2011

leonard_222003 said:
But me as end user of these products ( video cards ) i don't need to care why this doesn't happen for Ati EVER , there is not a single pro video editing app accelerated by Ati properly (gpu encoding ) , there is not a single game with physics on Ati's platform , what should i do ? blame Adobe , Edius , Sony , Avid , Microsoft , Ubisoft , Electronic Arts , THQ , Eidos ......etc. about everyone that is important.
Adobe said they wanted to include Ati's Stream acceleration but it's not ready at all , proof it's not ready at all even now is the lack of any usefull application , even their own encoding application Avivo doesn't use the GPU , i tried it and the gpu isnt used at all and the end result is always very bad.

unfortunately support for ATi stream is very poor at best. and it doesnt help that CUDA is so popular not just for Folders but also for developers.

Cyberlink Esspresso is the only program that ive seen to use ATi Stream for video encoding. but when i used it with 2 4870s it really didnt make much difference at all asside from a flashing ATi logo telling i was using ATi stream. but it did use a little processesing power from my cards - just not 90-100% of it.

I think the market will continue on its current path and will be very slow to adopt STREAM over CUDA. at this stage in time its probably a lot easier and quicker to code stuff for CUDA as CUDA has been widey available for quite a few years now.

Mussels · Jan 29, 2011

leonard_222003 said:
But me as end user of these products ( video cards ) i don't need to care why this doesn't happen for Ati EVER , there is not a single pro video editing app accelerated by Ati properly (gpu encoding ) , there is not a single game with physics on Ati's platform , what should i do ? blame Adobe , Edius , Sony , Avid , Microsoft , Ubisoft , Electronic Arts , THQ , Eidos ......etc. about everyone that is important.
Adobe said they wanted to include Ati's Stream acceleration but it's not ready at all , proof it's not ready at all even now is the lack of any usefull application , even their own encoding application Avivo doesn't use the GPU , i tried it and the gpu isnt used at all and the end result is always very bad.

then again, there is less than a dozen games that actually use hardware accelerated physics (PhysX) on nvidia atm as well. They're all single threaded CPU driven.

I agree that ATI do need to get some hardware accelerated apps out there, but hey - they support the open standards of OpenCL and DirectCompute... but no devs want an open standard. they'd rather get a nice sponsorship from nvidia to do things in a proprietary way.

jlewis02 · Jan 30, 2011

Nothing but problems with the drivers going back to 10.11

Cheeseball · Jan 30, 2011

Mussels said:
I agree that ATI do need to get some hardware accelerated apps out there, but hey - they support the open standards of OpenCL and DirectCompute... but no devs want an open standard. they'd rather get a nice sponsorship from nvidia to do things in a proprietary way.

That's because ATI's implementation of OpenCL is not fully compliant and really slow. (e.g. not treating certain functions as 128-bit types but as dual 64-bit, which is wrong)

DirectCompute is stupid because it's not multi-platform, which is just as restrictive as the proprietary way.

Basically what CUDA does is add functions (which are also Stream-compatible, but slower on AMD cards) to the existing OpenCL specification. It's just like NVIDIA's OpenGL extensions. This alone makes it easier for developers to make applications that work on Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA hardware.

TAViX · Feb 1, 2011

Mussels said:
i did a driver sweeper and everything with 10.11 and it still shows as 10.10... there is some leftover weirdness in these drivers. I'm wondering if its just 10.10 in the package, at least for 5K users

I did the same thing and shows the same 10.10. The thing is the previews settings are also there. So the Drive Sweeper sucks! It only deletes files but not the reg entries. Anyone knows a better tool?? :shadedshu:

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DTV DRAGON · Feb 1, 2011

Hey guys.. nice to see everyone again!! I thought I would check out to see if there are any driver updates and ran across this thread, I think iam at 10.2 or close to it, Iam wondering if you can tell me if it will be a good idea for me to go to 11.1a?? Ive tried to do some reading but not one of my better days! but this will help me get my mind of things, please advice thanx people!!!

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