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AMD Centurion is FX-9000, Scrapes 5.00 GHz

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Funny how you don't complain when your Graphic cards eat 200+ Watts for breakfast but you cry out load if the same thing is happening at the CPU end.
Very good point. Performance has to come from something it is never free. Apparently AMD is trading energy efficiency for clockspeed. I also find it utterly apparent that this is the exact approach Intel took in trying to push the P4 further and further. Only time will tell if the FX series really is a one trick pony (P4 was awesome at encoding ironically enough) or if those technologies are utilized in better and better revisions.
 
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Funny how you don't complain when your Graphic cards eat 200+ Watts for breakfast but you cry out load if the same thing is happening at the CPU end.
Obviously it would be preferable if graphics cards used less power. And the trend has been towards more efficient GPUs: for example, the Radeon 7750 is nearly as powerful as the 5770 of two generations before, but where the 5770 displaced 108 watts, the 7750 reduced TDP to just 55W, low enough to easily be cooled with a passive heatsink. But the state of the art in graphics cards is that you need 200W+ for a top-tier card. That is true for both AMD and NVIDIA. Still, for most users, a 100-175W card will be more than sufficient at this time. Only a handful of hardcore gamers (or HPC enthusiasts) really need more than that.

The problem with the proposed "Centurion" is that it's a step in the wrong direction. Far worse TDP without even providing competitive performance. It's a regression to the NetBurst space-heater era. Sandy Bridge at 4 GHz would blow away Vishera at 5 GHz on single-threaded and lightly-threaded applications, while using far less power. If AMD actually provided something worthwhile in exchange for this TDP, it wouldn't be nearly as objectionable. If Centurion was a 32-core Steamroller-based monster that had IPC equivalent to Sandy Bridge and totally blew away everything else on most benchmarks, you could justify the TDP on the basis of that performance. If the proposed chip was an APU with GDDR5 support and graphics performance on par with a 7850, then it could easily be justified since the 7850 alone is 130W (and is considered a fairly efficient chip at that). But for a factory-overclocked Vishera? No way.
 
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#31
Obviously it would be preferable if graphics cards used less power. And the trend has been towards more efficient GPUs: for example, the Radeon 7750 is nearly as powerful as the 5770 of two generations before, but where the 5770 displaced 108 watts, the 7750 reduced TDP to just 55W, low enough to easily be cooled with a passive heatsink. But the state of the art in graphics cards is that you need 200W+ for a top-tier card. That is true for both AMD and NVIDIA. Still, for most users, a 100-175W card will be more than sufficient at this time. Only a handful of hardcore gamers (or HPC enthusiasts) really need more than that.

The problem with the proposed "Centurion" is that it's a step in the wrong direction. Far worse TDP without even providing competitive performance. It's a regression to the NetBurst space-heater era. Sandy Bridge at 4 GHz would blow away Vishera at 5 GHz on single-threaded and lightly-threaded applications, while using far less power. If AMD actually provided something worthwhile in exchange for this TDP, it wouldn't be nearly as objectionable. If Centurion was a 32-core Steamroller-based monster that had IPC equivalent to Sandy Bridge and totally blew away everything else on most benchmarks, you could justify the TDP on the basis of that performance. If the proposed chip was an APU with GDDR5 support and graphics performance on par with a 7850, then it could easily be justified since the 7850 alone is 130W (and is considered a fairly efficient chip at that). But for a factory-overclocked Vishera? No way.

you do realis\ze this isnt a mainstream chip? this will be made available in very limited quantities to limited people? people seem to have lost their common sense these days. :shadedshu
 
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Impressive? Yeah. Genius? Hardly...
 

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#33
What would be impressive is if these chips were in the 65-95w range while clocked to the standard FX-8350 specs. :cool:

If that's the case, Then I have an AM3+ socket open for you :D
 
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#34
For those who have not heard... the new AMD Richland Desktop APUs are available as of 6-4-13 from many e-tailers. It's all good. :)

Computer Hardware, CPUs / Processors, Richland

BTW, you aren't going to get 8-core FX processors on 32nm that only draw 65w-95w with 4.0 GHz. clockspeed. AMD is good but they ain't God, ferchrissakes. ;)
 
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Only time will tell if the FX series really is a one trick pony (P4 was awesome at encoding ironically enough) or if those technologies are utilized in better and better revisions.
FX is pretty good at encoding too! It really is AMD's P4.
 
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"Who cares!? Just hurry up and release muh steamroller, dangit!" -Me
Yup, same line of thought. And yup - 220W TDP is insane. How much will they'll (AMD) charge for it? Grand?
 
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Yup you made the Grandma living next door happy :laugh:

Your PC blew the fuse on her house so she is happy not to pay her electricity bills :roll:
XDDDDD you cracked me up soo badly!! Epic said! :roll:
 
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Yup you made the Grandma living next door happy :laugh:

Your PC blew the fuse on her house so she is happy not to pay her electricity bills :roll:
And people say I don't make sense 《 same to Op
 
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Wow, that is ridiculous. This CPU better be 2x fast as an FX-8350!
 

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Wow, that is ridiculous. This CPU better be 2x fast as an FX-8350!
I imagine it will be roughly 20% faster with the 20% clock speed increase.
 
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#42
The 8350s being sold now are getting 5.0GHz with a water cooler. I would have rather have seen size reduction.
 
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But the state of the art in graphics cards is that you need 200W+ for a top-tier card. That is true for both AMD and NVIDIA. Still, for most users, a 100-175W card will be more than sufficient at this time. Only a handful of hardcore gamers (or HPC enthusiasts) really need more than that.

Can you please tell me if CENTURION is a mainstream processor or a ENTHUSIAST processor ? ;)
 
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#44
The 8350s being sold now are getting 5.0GHz with a water cooler. I would have rather have seen size reduction.
Sorry 9000 is on viagara!
 
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one thing i dont understand is people s hared towards power. cooling is relatively cheap. electricity is cheap (?????).
Electricity is cheap?? LOL. You should go more often to Europe or Asia...:banghead:
 
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The 8350s being sold now are getting 5.0GHz with a water cooler. I would have rather have seen size reduction.
No , not all and in fact not many do 5 and not many do 5 at less than 220-300 watts ie none ive seen.
 

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Electricity is cheap?? LOL. You should go more often to Europe or Asia...:banghead:
i dont know where the hell i am right now. but last i checked i was still in my room in india.
 

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This should come with a duct, so you can keep your feet warm when it's cold.