AMD ends driver support for R9 Fury and Radeon 200, 300 series???

[Zyll Goliat]

Ok guys I just tried Rift Breaker Demo and it's seems that FSR working fine on ANY AMD/NVIDIA GPU and actual gains on R9 Fury are really good BUT here is the thing for me personally on 4K with FSR ON/Balanced FPS gains was EXCELLENT and Image quality didn't suffer that much at all but on lower resolution 1080p you could see that image was blurry and actual FPS gains didn't been that much here are the picture bellow

This is Example of the FSR when is OFF and when is ON/Balanced settings the game is Rift Breaker/Demo Resolution is 3840x2160 high settings GPU is R9 Fury Sapphire Nitro

 

[Valantar]

Ok guys I just tried Rift Breaker Demo and it's seems that FSR working fine on any GPU and actual gains on R9 Fury are really good BUT here is the thing for me personally on 4K with FSR ON/Balanced FPS gains was EXCELLENT and Image quality didn't suffer that much at all but on lower resolution 1080p you could see that image was blurry and actual FPS gains didn't been that much here are the picture bellow

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This is Example of the FSR when is OFF and when is ON/Balanced settings the game is Rift Breaker/Demo Resolution is 3840x2160 high settings GPU is R9 Fury Sapphire Nitro

That aligns with reviews - higher output resolutions deliver better performance gains and less image quality loss, both due to the high cost of native rendering at those resolutions and the higher input resolution used for FSR. There's a comprehensive table of input resolution per output resolution and quality level here, but as an example, 2160p 'performance' renders at 1080p, while 1080p 'performance' renders at 540p. It stands to reason that there is a lot more material for the scaler to work with in the former case than in the latter. Similarly, 'quality' renders at 1440p for 2160p output, or 720p for 1080p output. When you're starting from something that already looks pretty good on its own - like a 1080p or 1440p image - it stands to reason that an upscaled version of this will look far better than something upscaled from an unacceptably low resolution.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

That aligns with reviews - higher output resolutions deliver better performance gains and less image quality loss, both due to the high cost of native rendering at those resolutions and the higher input resolution used for FSR. There's a comprehensive table of input resolution per output resolution and quality level here, but as an example, 2160p 'performance' renders at 1080p, while 1080p 'performance' renders at 540p. It stands to reason that there is a lot more material for the scaler to work with in the former case than in the latter. Similarly, 'quality' renders at 1440p for 2160p output, or 720p for 1080p output. When you're starting from something that already looks pretty good on its own - like a 1080p or 1440p image - it stands to reason that an upscaled version of this will look far better than something upscaled from an unacceptably low resolution.

Yeah I agree.....As I have 4k 28 inch monitor this game also looks more or less the same(img quality/performance vise) on 1440p with FSR Off and 4K FSR ON the things is that you still have more options to tweak your settings with the FSR because you can have FSR ON/Performance/Balanced/Quality/Ultra Quality so more variety between performance and image quality to tweak..........

Also this still don't change the fact that in the future we will loose driver support so any possible bugs/glitches/black sreens...etc will be there to stay as nobody in AMD will care for those cards any more........who knows maybe there is hope in moded drivers or switching on Linux....Either way I decide to put my R9 Fury on sale.......

 

[delshay]

Fury cards have very good memory bandwidth due to having HBM. So yeah, it should still do very well at high resolution. I just don't get why AMD gave these cards the boot.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Fury cards have very good memory bandwidth due to having HBM. So yeah, it should still do very well at high resolution. I just don't get why AMD gave these cards the boot.

Yeah totally R9 Fury cards but also R9 390/290 are still very capable cards today and they are not that old to be precise Fury series was top of the line AMD cards back in the summer of 2015 so not even 6 years old....

 

[pavle]

Adios My Dineros at it again - I still remember when they just couldn't wait to end support for their crappy driver for Win XP the 4th month of 2014. If they are so poor that they can't even support their products, they shouldn't be in business.
People all over the world should start really hating planned obsolescence - creates much trash for no good reason than the love of money (that is the root of all evil).
To hell with AMD and their crappy attitude. And I had AMD processors and ATI cards for ages, not anymore here no matter how many % points their ricer is faster than wintel!

 

[Valantar]

Adios My Dineros at it again - I still remember when they just couldn't wait to end support for their crappy driver for Win XP the 4th month of 2014. If they are so poor that they can't even support their products, they shouldn't be in business.
People all over the world should start really hating planned obsolescence - creates much trash for no good reason than the love of money (that is the root of all evil).
To hell with AMD and their crappy attitude. And I had AMD processors and ATI cards for ages, not anymore here no matter how many % points their ricer is faster than wintel!

Planned obsolescence is indeed a terrible thing, but this isn't that. Planned obsolesence implies that the product in question is engineered to stop working at a given point so that users are forced to buy something new. These GPUs still work perfectly, and will most likely continue doing so for the foreseeable future. Nothing is forcing an upgrade except for the increasing demands of games and the relative performance delivered by newer hardware. Neither of which is due to how AMD is treating these GPUs. You can still use these GPUs just as you do today, with the same drivers, and they will work the same.

Yeah totally R9 Fury cards but also R9 390/290 are still very capable cards today and they are not that old to be precise Fury series was top of the line AMD cards back in the summer of 2015 so not even 6 years old....

They are - I'm still pretty happy with my Fury X, even if it's getting replaced as soon as I can get my hands on something new - but that doesn't mean it's particularly sensible to continue driver development for them. They could always keep an engineer or two tasked with bugfixes and stuff for old SKUs, but it's a difficult task - if there are bugs you likely need a proper team, and if not, then there's no work for them. Maintaining expertise for older architectures is also a challenge. And newer products will always be prioritized. Of course it's reasonable to argue that AMD should have a big enough driver development team to have the flexibility to handle this. I just don't see it as a major problem. Would a couple more years of driver development matter? I don't think so. For the types of games, settings and resolutions these GPUs can still handle (for example, my Fury X is definitely not a 1440p card any more in demanding titles, on matter the detail level), any driver optimizations for future titles aren't likely to make much of a difference. If a new AAA title runs at 30 or 40fps at 1440p medium ... doesn't matter, as the experience will still suck even with that 33% uplift. Similarly, if your esports title runs at 1080p120 or 1080p144? Again, rather meaningless overall. Bugfixes are of course another matter, but the only major (game-breaking) bug I can remember in the six years I've had this GPU has been hard crashing in Alien: Isolation. GCN is so well known at this point that mostly anything is likely to work on it, even if it might not work well (especially if the game in question relies on new features).

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Planned obsolescence is indeed a terrible thing, but this isn't that. Planned obsolesence implies that the product in question is engineered to stop working at a given point so that users are forced to buy something new. These GPUs still work perfectly, and will most likely continue doing so for the foreseeable future. Nothing is forcing an upgrade except for the increasing demands of games and the relative performance delivered by newer hardware. Neither of which is due to how AMD is treating these GPUs. You can still use these GPUs just as you do today, with the same drivers, and they will work the same.


They are - I'm still pretty happy with my Fury X, even if it's getting replaced as soon as I can get my hands on something new - but that doesn't mean it's particularly sensible to continue driver development for them. They could always keep an engineer or two tasked with bugfixes and stuff for old SKUs, but it's a difficult task - if there are bugs you likely need a proper team, and if not, then there's no work for them. Maintaining expertise for older architectures is also a challenge. And newer products will always be prioritized. Of course it's reasonable to argue that AMD should have a big enough driver development team to have the flexibility to handle this. I just don't see it as a major problem. Would a couple more years of driver development matter? I don't think so. For the types of games, settings and resolutions these GPUs can still handle (for example, my Fury X is definitely not a 1440p card any more in demanding titles, on matter the detail level), any driver optimizations for future titles aren't likely to make much of a difference. If a new AAA title runs at 30 or 40fps at 1440p medium ... doesn't matter, as the experience will still suck even with that 33% uplift. Similarly, if your esports title runs at 1080p120 or 1080p144? Again, rather meaningless overall. Bugfixes are of course another matter, but the only major (game-breaking) bug I can remember in the six years I've had this GPU has been hard crashing in Alien: Isolation. GCN is so well known at this point that mostly anything is likely to work on it, even if it might not work well (especially if the game in question relies on new features).

Well I can only wish that we as consumers can get certain amount of years of support so when we buy new product we know in ahead how long we can expect that those GPU's is going to be supported at least Nvidia cancel their driver support for Kepler but those cards are from 2012 so more than 8 years and also they said 4-5 month in ahead that they are going to do that from other side AMD just yesterday decide to cancel driver support for all those cards and it was immediate decision which means that 21.6.1 latest driver from very same day do not works on those cards I don't know but for me that just looks ugly and unprofessional from AMD......

 

[Valantar]

Well I can only wish that we as consumers can get certain amount of years of support so when we buy new product we know in ahead how long we can expect that those GPU's is going to be supported at least Nvidia cancel their driver support for Maxvell but those cards are from 2012 so more than 8 years and also they said 4-5 month in ahead that they are going to do that from other side AMD just yesterday decide to cancel driver support for all those cards and it was immediate decision which means that 21.6.1 latest driver from very same day do not works on those cards I don't know but for me that just looks ugly and unprofessional from AMD......

Yeah, they should have announced it earlier, that's true. Again, not ultimately something that makes a difference in use or performance, but it's good not to blindside your users nonetheless. I'm guessing they held off simply because announcing this either alongside a new GPU lineup or in the beginning of a major shortage would have looked pretty bad. Still, it's not a good way of doing things.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Maxwell isn't that old. I have one (a GTX 970) that I bought for not much on May 29, 2019, which is for my socket 1366 system and for a backup. That was after Kepler.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Maxwell isn't that old. I have one (a GTX 970) that I bought for not much on May 29, 2019, which is for my socket 1366 system and for a backup. That was after Kepler.

Aye I was thinking on Kepler....my bad Nvida will cancel Kepler not Maxwell.......Fixed...and yeah GTX 900 series(Maxwell)will still have support and they are from 2014 even older then R9 Fury that supposed to be competition for GTX 980/980Ti......

 

[windwhirl]

Adios My Dineros at it again - I still remember when they just couldn't wait to end support for their crappy driver for Win XP the 4th month of 2014. If they are so poor that they can't even support their products, they shouldn't be in business.

Windows XP lasted freaking 12 years, going for 13. Way more than any other Windows OS relevant to this discussion and by then already aged like milk. Perfectly understandable if AMD wanted to end support for it once and for all, specially since Microsoft made multiple announcements and campaigns the last 4 years before that to encourage people to move to a newer platform, with game devs also starting to require Windows 7 as a minimum requirement. Enough is enough.

People all over the world should start really hating planned obsolescence - creates much trash for no good reason than the love of money (that is the root of all evil).

What Valantar said. Cards will still work, and no driver in the world can fix the fact that they're old and not good enough for what may come in the near future. Besides, other people will pick up these cards anyway and give it a few more years of use in systems where the lack of support is not an issue. So, plenty of life remaining for them even with AMD's announcement.

 

[Colddecked]

Also this still don't change the fact that in the future we will loose driver support so any possible bugs/glitches/black sreens...etc will be there to stay as nobody in AMD will care for those cards any more........who knows maybe there is hope in moded drivers or switching on Linux....Either way I decide to put my R9 Fury on sale.......

One thing to consider, as AMDs focus now shifts to RDNA isn't there more chance of bugs being introduced for older GCN cards on the driver side, the longer they keep including old GCN cards in driver updates? So in that way, it makes sense to stop updating the drivers for them. And in the unlikely event there's a game with an issue specific to old GCN more than likely it will get fixed by a developer patch. So, while you do not get any performance increases via drivers anymore, I wouldn't worry about bugs/glitches/black screens. Yes cutting off support for Fury and 390/290 sends a bad message, but its not as dire as you're making it out to be.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

One thing to consider, as AMDs focus now shifts to RDNA isn't there more chance of bugs being introduced for older GCN cards on the driver side, the longer they keep including old GCN cards in driver updates? So in that way, it makes sense to stop updating the drivers for them. And in the unlikely event there's a game with an issue specific to old GCN more than likely it will get fixed by a developer patch. So, while you do not get any performance increases via drivers anymore, I wouldn't worry about bugs/glitches/black screens. Yes cutting off support for Fury and 390/290 sends a bad message, but its not as dire as you're making it out to be.

I am not making it out anything I just expressing how I feel about this also seems that many many others owners of those cards feels the same or worse and as I said for me this just looks ugly and unprofessional....If you are fine with that It's OK you keep supporting them or even better you can urge them to cancel driver supports for your current RX 5700 and All Navi&Vega series of cards because it's probably better for AMD if they do not waste time and resources on that "old" tech anymore and concentrate only on 6000/Big Navi series of cards and beyond.....

 

[Morbius2021]

I think the long term support window that all hardware manufacturers are shooting for is going to be 3 years.

Microsoft has already made major changes to basic chipset support within the 5 years that windows 10 has been available.

Earlier releases of Windows 10, i.e. V1511 and 1603 had built in support for X99 intel chipsets, but current versions like 21H1 don't, so that is something that is being done on purpose.

Planned obsolescence. Get used to replacing things more often, folks like to say, hey it still works.

How long until that isn't the case. I can still find older chipset drivers for those chipsets, but even intel makes it hard to find them now.

if you have older drivers, ARCHIVE THEM, you never know when it will get harder to find them again.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

"AMD confirmed it is retiring a large number of its graphics card today. Starting with Adrenalin 21.6.1 driver graphics card from Radeon Fury, Radeon 300, as well as Radeon 200 series, will no longer be supported, as all these cards have been moved to the legacy section"

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Wow!!!In my opinion this is just really BAD move from AMD as R9 Fury and even R9 390 & 290 Series of cards are still very capable especially when we know that during this Mining craze many Gamers simply do not have a choice and need to use some of the older cards but seems like AMD possibly believe that FSR could boost r9 Fury/290/390 series of cards a bit to much for their taste and seems like that AMD do not want's to give you always free performance.....

What is your opinion about this?

P.S.What happened with Fine Wine AMD?

We had a news piece, I take it it's tone wasn't negative enough for you, lolz.

Drammmaaaa

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

even better you can urge them to cancel driver supports for your current RX 5700 and All Navi&Vega series of cards because it's probably better for AMD if they do not waste time and resources on that "old" tech anymore and concentrate only on 6000/Big Navi series of cards and beyond.....

If that happens, AMD can expect an Atari-ET-level catastrophe! AMD could be dumping their video cards into a landfill. Because most people are unable to purchase one.

 

[Valantar]

I am not making it out anything I just expressing how I fell about this also seems that many many others owners of those cards feels the same or worse and as I said for me this just looks ugly and unprofessional....If you are fine with that It's OK you keep supporting them or even better you can urge them to cancel driver supports for your current RX 5700 and All Navi&Vega series of cards because it's probably better for AMD if they do not waste time and resources on that "old" tech anymore and concentrate only on 6000/Big Navi series of cards and beyond.....

Hey, man, please take a breath. Your response here is in no way warranted by what you're responding to. Also, hi, current Fury X owner and daily user here, and I don't think this is particularly bad. Your impression of "many other owners" is not universal, nor even representative. This ought to have been announced earlier, sure, could have been handled better, but overall it's acceptable. 6 years (or more, depending on the SKU) of active driver development is fine. Not good, not great, but not bad either, just fine. Nobody here is arguing for anything less, nor that AMD's handling of this wasn't a bit iffy. Drawing up silly straw men and caricaturing the people who are (slightly) disagreeing with you only makes you look like you can't have a reasonable on-topic debate. There are nuances between "AMD good" and "AMD bad". The nuances is where debate gets interesting, right? So please stop trying to paint the people (slightly) disagreeing with you as ridiculous caricatures. It serves no constructive purpose whatsoever, and only poisons further debate.

In an ideal world, we'd get 10 years of active driver development for a GPU. And hopefully in the future we'll get that, given that generational performance gains have been on a decline for a decade. In ten years, it's highly unlikely that we'll be getting a 30% generation-on-generation improvement at the same power levels, so GPUs will last longer, necessitating longer driver development. But today, a 10-year-old GPU isn't going to perform on a level that driver optimizations will noticeably improve anything for new titles, and older titles should already be optimized (or at least are highly unlikely to receive future optimizations). The same goes for a 6-year-old flagship, as I exemplified above. And future bugs for a decade-old and widely supported architecture are relatively unlikely, except in advanced titles implementing new features that aren't really supported on hardware this old anyhow. And to expand on my previous example, if a feature in a new, graphically advanced AAA title breaks it so that it won't play on my Fury X, while a theoretical fix would have allowed me to play it at, say, 1080p medium 40fps ... does that matter? I'd say not. At that point, the game isn't playable at all. At that point it's the hardware that is holding the GPU back, not any lack of driver support. If I'm burning 300W of power to play at barely playable frame rates at a sub-par resolution, then I'd rather wait until I can upgrade my GPU. (Which, incidentally, is why a lot of AAA titles like Control and Metro: Exodus have been sitting in my library waiting for a GPU upgrade, as I'd rather have a good experience playing them than turning settings to "pixelated vaseline on my glasses" just to run it at all.)

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Hey, man, please take a breath. Your response here is in no way warranted by what you're responding to. Also, hi, current Fury X owner and daily user here, and I don't think this is particularly bad. Your impression of "many other owners" is not universal, nor even representative. This ought to have been announced earlier, sure, could have been handled better, but overall it's acceptable. 6 years (or more, depending on the SKU) of active driver development is fine. Not good, not great, but not bad either, just fine. Nobody here is arguing for anything less, nor that AMD's handling of this wasn't a bit iffy. Drawing up silly straw men and caricaturing the people who are (slightly) disagreeing with you only makes you look like you can't have a reasonable on-topic debate. There are nuances between "AMD good" and "AMD bad". The nuances is where debate gets interesting, right? So please stop trying to paint the people (slightly) disagreeing with you as ridiculous caricatures. It serves no constructive purpose whatsoever, and only poisons further debate.

In an ideal world, we'd get 10 years of active driver development for a GPU. And hopefully in the future we'll get that, given that generational performance gains have been on a decline for a decade. In ten years, it's highly unlikely that we'll be getting a 30% generation-on-generation improvement at the same power levels, so GPUs will last longer, necessitating longer driver development. But today, a 10-year-old GPU isn't going to perform on a level that driver optimizations will noticeably improve anything for new titles, and older titles should already be optimized (or at least are highly unlikely to receive future optimizations). The same goes for a 6-year-old flagship, as I exemplified above. And future bugs for a decade-old and widely supported architecture are relatively unlikely, except in advanced titles implementing new features that aren't really supported on hardware this old anyhow. And to expand on my previous example, if a feature in a new, graphically advanced AAA title breaks it so that it won't play on my Fury X, while a theoretical fix would have allowed me to play it at, say, 1080p medium 40fps ... does that matter? I'd say not. At that point, the game isn't playable at all. At that point it's the hardware that is holding the GPU back, not any lack of driver support. If I'm burning 300W of power to play at barely playable frame rates at a sub-par resolution, then I'd rather wait until I can upgrade my GPU. (Which, incidentally, is why a lot of AAA titles like Control and Metro: Exodus have been sitting in my library waiting for a GPU upgrade, as I'd rather have a good experience playing them than turning settings to "pixelated vaseline on my glasses" just to run it at all.)

Hey man I am totally fine...I just don't get why you and some of the other guys in here have some kind of urge to convince me that this is all Cool&Nice when in my opinion it's definitely not and also here on this topic and all around the reddit and other forums you can clearly see that many other people share this opinion and I didn't lie when I said that many of them are really furious...personally I don't care that much as I never paid a lot for this card and I put it already on the sale,ironically I am even going to earn something out of this as I bought it few weeks prior this last mining craze......Again I just simply believe that AMD acted totally unprofessionally by cancelling support for certain GPU's and announcing this and cancelling their support just day before their new driver release......and That's it....that is enough for me and I am done with that company and their GPU department.......

 

[freeagent]

The guy I bought my 980 Classified from had an R9 Fury.. hope I’m saying that right.. it has the AIO. I bet he is pretty choked right now. Actually probably not.. he probably has something new.

10 years is a pretty good run.. I am not disappointed they quit supporting Fermi.. I have one in use right now using a 2 or 3 year old driver..

 

[Zyll Goliat]

The guy I bought my 980 Classified from had an R9 Fury.. hope I’m saying that right.. it has the AIO. I bet he is pretty choked right now. Actually probably not.. he probably has something new.

10 years is a pretty good run.. I am not disappointed they quit supporting Fermi.. I have one in use right now using a 2 or 3 year old driver..

Actually R9 Fury X have AIO R9 Fury is air cooled and no those cards are not 10 years old those cards are from late 2015

 

[Valantar]

Hey man I am totally fine...I just don't get why you and some of the other guys in here have some kind of urge to convince me that this is all Cool&Nice when in my opinion it's definitely not and also here on this topic and all around the reddit and other forums you can clearly see that many other people share this opinion and I didn't lie when I said that many of them are really furious...personally I don't care that much as I never paid a lot for this card and I put it already on the sale,ironically I am even going to earn something out of this as I bought it few weeks prior this last mining craze......Again I just simply believe that AMD acted totally unprofessionally by cancelling support for certain GPU's and announcing this and cancelling their support just day before their new driver release......and That's it....that is enough for me and I am done with that company and their GPU department.......

Sorry, but you're posting your opinions here, so you're by default exposing them to scrutiny, and the internal logic here doesn't add up.
- You say "personally I don't care that much", yet you're choosing to boycott AMD because of this. In a 2 GPU maker market, a boycott of one is a rather drastic measure. I'd say the second strongest one possible, with the only one above it being a lawsuit. So the severity of your response doesn't match with the stated intensity of your feelings.
- You say I and some others are "trying to convince you that this is all cool&nice" when at least I - I can't speak for anyone else, after all - have been plenty explicit in saying that I don't think this is good, I just don't find it particularly bad either. Neither "cool" nor "nice" have been words I've used, but at least in my vocabulary, those are stronger positive words than "okay", "meh", and "acceptable", which I have used. I've also gone specifically into the details of various aspects of this that I find more or less objectionable.
- Youre choosing to boycott a GPU maker on ethical grounds, yet ethics don't and can't exist in a vacuum. So I assume you're applying at least equally strict ethical judgements to all other GPU makers? I mean, how does this compare, in your opinion, to something like the GPP debacle? (Which, for the record, is still a thing, just limited to China.) Or Intels multi-decade history of bribing partners to stifle competition? Are monopolistic business practices less problematic to you than a slightly shorter than ideal period of driver support? Wouldn't you agree that the former is far more harmful to users in the middle to long term than the latter? And remember, nobody here is arguing that shorter support periods than this would be okay, just that this duration (i.e. 6-10 years) is, overall, acceptable.

Also, "a lot of people on the internet are furious" is the eternal state of the universe, and is not an argument for nor against anything whatsoever. One needs to examine why they are angry and attempt to identify whether the anger is justified or not. People get pissed off over the most ridiculously small and irrelevant things. All the while, you're here saying you don't care much about this, yet find it absolutely terrible, and spend your time portraying the people wanting to add some nuance to the debate as if they are saying everything is fine and dandy and there are no issues whatsoever. See how this is problematic? You're forcing the people who slightly disagree with you into attempting to contradict caricatured stances that you're drawing up, rather than actually engaging in an intellectually honest good-faith discussion. Nobody here is saying that you're not entitled to whatever opinions you might have. But you're posting them on a forum, so you're by default exposing them to scrutiny and debate, and as such you owe it to the others on the forum to actually engage in said debate honestly and in good faith.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Sorry, but you're posting your opinions here, so you're by default exposing them to scrutiny, and the internal logic here doesn't add up.
- You say "personally I don't care that much", yet you're choosing to boycott AMD because of this. In a 2 GPU maker market, a boycott of one is a rather drastic measure. I'd say the second strongest one possible, with the only one above it being a lawsuit. So the severity of your response doesn't match with the stated intensity of your feelings.
- You say I and some others are "trying to convince you that this is all cool&nice" when at least I - I can't speak for anyone else, after all - have been plenty explicit in saying that I don't think this is good, I just don't find it particularly bad either. Neither "cool" nor "nice" have been words I've used, but at least in my vocabulary, those are stronger positive words than "okay", "meh", and "acceptable", which I have used. I've also gone specifically into the details of various aspects of this that I find more or less objectionable.
- Youre choosing to boycott a GPU maker on ethical grounds, yet ethics don't and can't exist in a vacuum. So I assume you're applying at least equally strict ethical judgements to all other GPU makers? I mean, how does this compare, in your opinion, to something like the GPP debacle? (Which, for the record, is still a thing, just limited to China.) Or Intels multi-decade history of bribing partners to stifle competition? Are monopolistic business practices less problematic to you than a slightly shorter than ideal period of driver support? Wouldn't you agree that the former is far more harmful to users in the middle to long term than the latter? And remember, nobody here is arguing that shorter support periods than this would be okay, just that this duration (i.e. 6-10 years) is, overall, acceptable.

Also, "a lot of people on the internet are furious" is the eternal state of the universe, and is not an argument for nor against anything whatsoever. One needs to examine why they are angry and attempt to identify whether the anger is justified or not. People get pissed off over the most ridiculously small and irrelevant things. All the while, you're here saying you don't care much about this, yet find it absolutely terrible, and spend your time portraying the people wanting to add some nuance to the debate as if they are saying everything is fine and dandy and there are no issues whatsoever. See how this is problematic? You're forcing the people who slightly disagree with you into attempting to contradict caricatured stances that you're drawing up, rather than actually engagin in an intellectually honest good-faith discussion. Nobody here is saying that you're not entitled to whatever opinions you might have. But you're posting them on a forum, so you're by default exposing them to scrutiny and debate, and as such you owe it to the others on the forum to actually engage in said debate honestly and in good faith.

I am saying that personally I am not "that"affected as I didn't pay that much for my GPU to be precise that card cost me 75€ OK so it's NOTHING to do with the money....It's more an ethical thing as I don't like to see when ANY big corp screwing over the little man and again don't matter if that company name Is Nvidia,Intel,AMD...etc... I said it before and I will repat again If those corps. do not have any kind of consequences for their moves they will do it again and again...so just wait when Nvida for example do the same or AMD next time decide to cancel driver supports for their products after 3 years....

And NO I am not asking other people to do anything I said what I am going to do and why and there is noting Radical there as I am not going to blow-out AMD building or something I just going to avoid their products and that's it....Also I am not calling people around to boycott AMD products neither asking other card owners to sign petitions(yeah some people doing that also because of this)......I just share my opinion and ask other people what they think about it and that's it.......I respect your opinion and I am totally fine and cool If you think that this is not a big deal at all.....

 

[Mussels]

Why do people think that the drivers not being updated makes your cards useless?

They'll work exactly as they do right this minute.

If they still kept updating them all these years and one user was like "mine works fine, lets not update" - was that users system useless? was he wrong?

Nah, the shit still works and will work for some time to come. Go through the driver logs, when was the last change that fixed things for this GPU architecture that benefited you?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Why do people think that the drivers not being updated makes your cards useless?

They'll work exactly as they do right this minute.

And Who said that???I don't think that card is going to be useless but is more likely(especially knowing AMD) that in some newer games there could be possible some driver related bugs/glitches etc....and from now on that ain't going to be fixed that's all.........