AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer On Ubuntu Linux Benchmarks

[LordJummy]

Are you sure they are releasing those new chips still? I've been hearing about a lot of instability over at AMD HQ. I hope they don't give up on the desktop market

I know they are focusing more on emerging mobile markets and stuff. Can anyone confirm that they are still going to continue to release their main stream and high end CPU's in the future?

 

[erocker]

Can anyone confirm that they are still going to continue to release their main stream and high end CPU's in the future?

They have said that they are. There hasn't been any news recently suggesting otherwise yet.

 

[LordJummy]

They have said that they are. There hasn't been any news recently suggesting otherwise yet.

Could be because they have no PR department anymore, LOL. I can't see how firing the PR/Marketing departments could really help at this point. Seems like those two departments should be trying to clean up the messes and putting out fires.

Hopefully they are able to keep their shit together. Many large companies have completely collapsed over one bad decision. That's all it takes.

Sorry to be so off topic. I figured since it was already really off topic I would jump in as this is an active AMD thread. My apologies.

 

[seronx]

Could be because they have no PR department anymore, LOL.
I can't see how firing the PR/Marketing departments could really help at this point. Seems like those two departments should be trying to clean up the messes and putting out fires.

PR Department was bad blood. They only made it worse and the PR department wasn't the only one affected.

Hopefully they are able to keep their shit together. Many large companies have completely collapsed over one bad decision. That's all it takes.

AMD will definitely keep their stitches together.

Sorry to be so off topic. I figured since it was already really off topic I would jump in as this is an active AMD thread. My apologies.

Rory Read knows what to do AMD because he did the same to Lenevo

Other than that Linux doesn't really matter Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 is where it is at

 

[LordJummy]

You definitely seem very confident in the CEO and the company in general. I'm afraid I just can't give a company my faith like that.

Let's hope you're right though...

 

[Super XP]

You definitely seem very confident in the CEO and the company in general. I'm afraid I just can't give a company my faith like that.

Let's hope you're right though...

AMD's not going anywhere. They will continue to sell and gain market share just like they've always done. This time they will gain it with AMD FX desktop sales and fusion sales. I too am very confident the new CEO will turn AMD around for the better

 

[LordJummy]

AMD's not going anywhere. They will continue to sell and gain market share just like they've always done. This time they will gain it with AMD FX desktop sales and fusion sales. I too am very confident the new CEO will turn AMD around for the better

I really hope so man. I'm thinking about sending a resume over to Austin HQ. Maybe they could use a new marketing guy ;P

 

[Super XP]

I really hope so man. I'm thinking about sending a resume over to Austin HQ. Maybe they could use a new marketing guy ;P

Go for it, AMD needs all the help they can get.

 

[BenchZowner]

Whatever you guys are drinking, share some!

 

[seronx]

Whatever you guys are drinking, share some!

http://www.xyience.com/index.cfm?fa=products.beverages

I don't share but you can buy it yourself

 

[nt300]

Whatever you guys are drinking, share some!

A Starbucks Green Tea Matcha Latte, none fat on the rocks.

 

[trickson]

So with all the hype that AMD did with setting world records at over clocking and all the PR about the BD it comes to this ? WOW . Some how I knew this was going to be the case . Well Looking forward to seeing Ivy bridge set some records soon !

 

[seronx]

So with all the hype that AMD did with setting world records at over clocking and all the PR about the BD it comes to this ? WOW . Some how I knew this was going to be the case . Well Looking forward to seeing Ivy bridge set some records soon !

Public Relations pretty much is gone
Direction of AMD is unknown but it can go ARM, Fusion, or continue what it is doing.

Depends if Ivy Bridge doesn't have a cold bug

 

[trickson]

Public Relations pretty much is gone

LOL , Yeah they have some work to do for sure . So much for all that speculating and hype . AMD needs some real help .

 

[Super XP]

I'm more interested in the slightly revised and/or updated and/or tweaked Bulldozer's named FX-8170, FX-4170 and the mysterious rumored FX-8190 & FX-6170

Even if these tweaked versions bring us approx: 10% to 15% improvement that should be enough to keep well above AMD’s current Phenom II line of CPU’s. Then add another 10% or more for Piledriver and perhaps AMD will give Intel more competition, not just on price.

What gets me is why AMD released Bulldozer as is? Where in fact it does need tweaking among the shared components. Currently the shared components are what is causing the performance to be so low IMO.

 

[seronx]

I'm more interested in the slightly revised and/or updated and/or tweaked Bulldozer's named FX-8170, FX-4170 and the mysterious rumored FX-8190 & FX-6170

FX-8170 can't wait.
FX-4170 is just a FX-8150 with 2 modules disabled with a turbo core to 4.3GHz
FX-8190 probably isn't going to happen but might be the Vishera FX-8250
FX-6170 same as above will probably be the FX-6220

Even if these tweaked versions bring us approx: 10% to 15% improvement that should be enough to keep well above AMD’s current Phenom II line of CPU’s. Then add another 10% or more for Piledriver and perhaps AMD will give Intel more competition, not just on price.

You won't see a 10% to 15% improvement with a numerical stepping

We have yet to see B2.G and B3.H

What gets me is why AMD released Bulldozer as is? Where in fact it does need tweaking among the shared components. Currently the shared components are what is causing the performance to be so low IMO.

It is future proof. Once, optimized it shines.

 

[Super XP]

I fully agree seronx. So in order to properly tweak the Bulldozer it requires a new stepping. Hopefully software developers also jump onto the Bulldozer bandwaggon as to give AMD a little kick in the behind for the sake of competition.

 

[seronx]

I forgot to come back and check this

So in order to properly tweak the Bulldozer it requires a new stepping.

Not really Bulldozer needs a revision B0 -> C0 and such if you want a balanced performance increase, for example Vishera will have FMA3 support and some software benchmarks decided to not use FMA4 intrinsics but use FMA3 intrinsics, and if you know who you are and reading this just know I know who you are...

Power consumption and some performance aspects can be fixed from going B0 -> B1 but it won't be awesome large more like 1-3% and in some to many applications or an increase won't be seen.

Hopefully software developers also jump onto the Bulldozer bandwaggon as to give AMD a little kick in the behind for the sake of competition.

Anything using the Intel Compiler probably won't be able to jump on to the Bulldozer bandwagon but those who use Microsoft and other open-source/proprietary compilers have the possibility to jump on to the Bulldozer bandwagon

 

[Super XP]

I think AMD already knew about Bulldozer's performance issues long before the very first B0 stepping. But instead of throwing away all that B2 stepping silicon, they sell the CPU's as mid range processors at a competitive price. My point is I believe AMD has been working hard to boost Bulldozer's performance and perhaps we will indeed see something different in terms of a revision stepping of magnitude. Obviously I am speculating here, but you never know. There's absolutely no way AMD didn't know about Bulldozer's true performance numbers. All they need to do right now is sell them for something of fair value until they get things working right. It's too bad supply & demand jacked up the prices.

Anyhow, check out this interesting Quote: I think he's right on the mark hands down

It's been common knowledge that Intel CPU's are artificially inflating their performance numbers inside their CPU code via synthetic benchmarks to give the impression that it performs better than its competitor. This is why Intel CPU's Rule in Synthetic Benchmarks. But they won't admit to this despite the fact review sites in the past have proven this over and over again in the good old Athlon XP and Athlon 64 days.

This is why AMD usually does better in "REAL WORLD" benchmarks. Anyhow obviously it would have been nice to see Bulldozer with a little more throughput, but AMD took a huge chance in releasing a brand new design, completely different from its current K10 (Phenom II) setup and placed it on a new 32nm HKMG process which has been reported to have issues.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1ZNP9...=Tx1II72NK48ZJ3N#wasThisHelpful&tag=tec06d-20

 

[seronx]

I think AMD already knew about Bulldozer's performance issues long before the very first B0 stepping. But instead of throwing away all that B2 stepping silicon, they sell the CPU's as mid range processors at a competitive price. My point is I believe AMD has been working hard to boost Bulldozer's performance and perhaps we will indeed see something different in terms of a revision stepping of magnitude. Obviously I am speculating here, but you never know. There's absolutely no way AMD didn't know about Bulldozer's true performance numbers. All they need to do right now is sell them for something of fair value until they get things working right. It's too bad supply & demand jacked up the prices.

I'll just tell you right now Interlagos numbers are pointing it will take 2 12C Magny Cours to beat 1 16C Interlagos

24 FPUs -> 8 FPUs, True Bulldozer numbers can be achieved in workloads that can be optimized for Bulldozer via Software Optimization in which AVX/XOP/FMA can do things a lot faster than SSE2/SSE3/Microcode

 

[erocker]

It's been common knowledge that Intel CPU's are artificially inflating their performance numbers inside their CPU code via synthetic benchmarks to give the impression that it performs better than its competitor.

Yet, as a desktop CPU for higher end gaming rigs (multiple cards) it clearly cannot compete with a 2500K not to mention a PII X6.

 

[alucasa]

I like AMD chips, but you'd have to be a die-hard (blind) fanboi to get excited over BD or you'd have to be high.

In NO WAY do I like where BD and AMD in general are at right now.

 

[seronx]

Yet, as a desktop CPU for higher end gaming rigs (multiple cards) it clearly cannot compete with a 2500K not to mention a PII X6.

When are we the techpowerup users gonna get an in-house review?

FX-8150 CPU Review
FX-8150 SLI/ CrossfireX Review

 

[erocker]

When are we the techpowerup users gonna get an in-house review?

FX-8150 CPU Review
FX-8150 SLI/ CrossfireX Review



Bulldozer is the key star in Project WIN

I don't think an official review is happening in this regard. I could do it I suppose, though I need to figure out what kind of OC I can get with the processor (in terms of power consumption) with two cards and my 750w PSU. I suppose it could handle 4ghz on the low end. I have some time this weekend so I'll see what I can get done. I'll start with some 2500K benches w/ CrossFire since that's how I have things configured at the moment.

*I'll list results in the FX OC'ers club.

 

[seronx]

I don't think an official review is happening in this regard. I could do it I suppose, though I need to figure out what kind of OC I can get with the processor (in terms of power consumption) with two cards and my 750w PSU. I suppose it could handle 4ghz on the low end. I have some time this weekend so I'll see what I can get done. I'll start with some 2500K benches w/ CrossFire since that's how I have things configured at the moment.

*I'll list results in the FX OC'ers club.

Don't do that... do clock to clock i5 2500K @3.3GHz/FX-8150 @3.3GHz or i5 2500K @3.9GHz/FX-8150 @3.9GHz or were you gonna do that?

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