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AMD today introduced the Quad-Core AMD Opteron processor, the world’s most advanced x86 processor ever designed and manufactured and the first native x86 quad-core microprocessor. Designed from inception for the most demanding datacenters, Quad-Core AMD Opteron processor-based servers from global OEMs and system builders can deliver breakthrough capabilities to customers in a time of dramatically escalating performance-per-watt emphasis.


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the world’s most advanced x86 processor ever designed and manufactured,and this is true?

maybe we might get some real benchies now.hopefully
 
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Tiger did you expect them to launch their top product by saying something other than the Most Advanced or the Best ? :)

( I aint talking about Just AMD , every company does the same :p )
 

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i know,i know :p but its a bit of a big statement to make.lets hope it lives up to the hype eh?

i just wanna see some real benchies.
 
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Well the fact that they had the press sign an 5 year NDA, the fact that their top execs quit and the fact that all leaked benches aint good makes me believe that we aint standing infront of a leap in CPU performance. Wish i am wrong however since this will benefit us all.
 
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Hmm... I can't find ant for sale yet... awww :(
 

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hit up anandtech for some benches and stuff that they released at midnight :)
rough estimation for phenom: +15%/core over current K8 architecture; scales well.
 
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Are they even late with the press conference? The link that was posted a few days ago ain't work. :confused:
 
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10-15% better than k8....:wtf: so if phenom is better with 25% amd is f... big hopes for nothing !

i'm dissapointed :(
 

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not neccesarily so, 15% is the average gain over K8, with some things showing a greater improvement and that's a good improvement by the way. Don't forget that Intel's new 45nm CPUs only show a 5% improvement over C2D. I didn't think that Barcelona would beat that 3 GHz new Xeon but at least now they can compete with intel on a more level playing field. Like the guys at anandtech said it will all come down to pricing.
 
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not neccesarily so, 15% is the average gain over K8, with some things showing a greater improvement and that's a good improvement by the way. Don't forget that Intel's new 45nm CPUs only show a 5% improvement over C2D. I didn't think that Barcelona would beat that 3 GHz new Xeon but at least now they can compete with intel on a more level playing field. Like the guys at anandtech said it will all come down to pricing.
agree with pricing but further down anandtech guys got the point :

"We saw how competitive AMD became after the first round of price cuts this year, but after the second set Intel went back to dominating. The trouble for AMD this time around is that Phenom is a much larger chip than the outgoing Athlon 64 X2, whereas Intel's Penryn family will actually be smaller than Conroe. AMD is already losing a considerable amount of money each quarter, so fabbing a larger chip at the same price as current CPUs will only make the situation worse. However, Intel can afford to continue to keep its processors as aggressively priced, especially moving to 45nm."
 

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I'm waiting for Phenom...that's where it's at!
 

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not neccesarily so, 15% is the average gain over K8, with some things showing a greater improvement and that's a good improvement by the way. Don't forget that Intel's new 45nm CPUs only show a 5% improvement over C2D. I didn't think that Barcelona would beat that 3 GHz new Xeon but at least now they can compete with intel on a more level playing field. Like the guys at anandtech said it will all come down to pricing.
You're forgetting that 45nm 1600mhz FSB parts are coming in Q4, Penryn already showed some impressive numbers in several specific benchmarks (dvx encoding for example), the new Xeons basically are Penryns, the new platform might bring even more improvement.
 

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agree with pricing but further down anandtech guys got the point :

"We saw how competitive AMD became after the first round of price cuts this year, but after the second set Intel went back to dominating. The trouble for AMD this time around is that Phenom is a much larger chip than the outgoing Athlon 64 X2, whereas Intel's Penryn family will actually be smaller than Conroe. AMD is already losing a considerable amount of money each quarter, so fabbing a larger chip at the same price as current CPUs will only make the situation worse. However, Intel can afford to continue to keep its processors as aggressively priced, especially moving to 45nm."
Yes, thats true as well, intel does have the tech edge and a lot more cash for a price war though i'm hoping AMD will be able to pull it off somehow. Releasing higher clocked Phenoms will probably help em narrow the gap with intel, at least there is a chance that they can do it in the coming months.
 
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Phenoms could be better. The simulated scores were derived from two DC Opterons vs. a QC Opteron when in reality people are coming from DC and going to QC. Also, newer chipsets will be out along with the Phenom. Now those things may not amount to a hill of beans (especially with the single-threaded tests) or they may.

Now if I had Opteron servers I think I'd be upgrading pretty soon. Fairly cheap and a drop-in 4-core to 8-core upgrade (or 16 and 32 cores for the 4P and 8P servers). Same for any Opteron workstations - though I might wait for the 2.5's to be released.
 
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what Im about to say may seem off topic but its all relevant to the last few comments of DC Vs QC....

Ok most people by now would have had DC Processors by now. & since DC has been around for a while & there are only a few key programs that benefit from DC, the usual such as Video/Music Encoding, 3D Rendering Programs & of course.....one of the most important things - Games.


but the fact is that even tho Industry has benefited from this 'boost' the dark side of the moon is there still aint that many games or apps written for DC - let alone having programs that are ready for QC. Im not doubting its performance - I am doubting the industries lazyness & chances are we will be on 'Quadruple Core' before Quad Core gets fully accepted as a standard by programmers.

the same instance was when Intel & AMD released 64bit processors - when that came out Microsoft XP 64bit was still just notes on a peice of paper bill gates had just used to wipe his nose with.

So unless you do a lot of video editing/encoding or 3d rendering then chances are that if your patient enough you can wait until prices drop even further after its release.

for most of us here there is really no reason to upgrade yet unless we have money to throw away or we are in dire need of a new system.

So goes the term "If it ain't broke, Don't fix it"
 
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everything, and i mean everything will use and need quad core cpus because........

they can make a butt load of money making everything have to have it so we have to buy it.

look, you are the boss, now if you change the way the applications for your products work then everyone who now owns your product has to buy your new product to use the latest applications sending profits through the roof. or.... you can settle for sales to be stagnent and steady by not changing the way new applications are used.

2 years ago we were arguing that dual cores are unnecessary and we will never use that much cpu, now here we are saying the same about quad cores.

they have 8 core processors in the works as we speak, do you think they wont "make" a market for them?
 

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everything, and i mean everything will use and need quad core cpus because........

they can make a butt load of money making everything have to have it so we have to buy it.

look, you are the boss, now if you change the way the applications for your products work then everyone who now owns your product has to buy your new product to use the latest applications sending profits through the roof. or.... you can settle for sales to be stagnent and steady by not changing the way new applications are used.

2 years ago we were arguing that dual cores are unnecessary and we will never use that much cpu, now here we are saying the same about quad cores.

they have 8 core processors in the works as we speak, do you think they wont "make" a market for them?

Before i even answer that statement I think you better calm down, Im not here for a mudsligging at the O.K Coral im putting my opinion forward & you have overshot the runway so let me explain.....



1. Im not saying that EVERYONE should go buy new software just beause they upgraded from Single Core to Dual Core - some companies do release patches to add some functionality if the user indeed has a Dual Core system - or are you telling me that that isnt good enough?

Sometimes the exisiting software engine maybe a little dated to even attempt a patch update hence the release of a new product & the product should have backwards & forwards compatability by enabling or dissabling certain features when running a Dual Core Or Single Core system. for example - the newest versions of Winrar have Dual Core support meaning that theres an option you can click to 'boost' it abit but you can turn it on/off if you dont run a Dual Core system. - If I was the boss the most important thing would be PROGRAM FUNCTIONALITY

2. they ALREADY have 8 core processors - some MAC Pro's & possibly quite a few servers are running already them such as Sun Micro Systems or Cisco, but i wouldnt rule it out.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/intel.html

Intel Xeon series codename: Clovertown

obviously 8core systems will mainly be bought by those in industry - 3d animators,audio/video engineers, Military, Coporate companies like banks & goverment organisations, as well as NASA will buy 8 core processors - Im not saying there wont be are market for them - Im saying that support for it unless its a KEY program will take a long time to arrive as programmers will have to write out a thread for each core. unless you're made of money or insane - an everyday person would not buy an 8 core processor as soon as its released.


So please stop putting words in my mouth


Please keep in mind I am not arguing anything Im just voicing my own opinion
 
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2. they ALREADY have 8 core processors - some MAC Pro's & possibly quite a few servers are running already them such as Sun Micro Systems or Cisco, but i wouldnt rule it out.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/intel.html

Intel Xeon series codename: Clovertown
Clovertown is quad core, dual socket though. However if we start counting multiple sockets octo core has been out for many, many years. ie Xeon MP's. Not even counting non-x86 architectures.
 

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Clovertown is quad core, dual socket though. However if we start counting multiple sockets octo core has been out for many, many years. ie Xeon MP's. Not even counting non-x86 architectures.
Doh! I knew that!!!!!!!!!! anyway f**k knows what codename it is. the most important thing being that its already out & available on the market
 
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Before i even answer that statement I think you better calm down, Im not here for a mudsligging at the O.K Coral im putting my opinion forward & you have overshot the runway so let me explain.....


So please stop putting words in my mouth


Please keep in mind I am not arguing anything Im just voicing my own opinion
well to start with i wasnt even refering to your post at all so dont be so defensive and paranoid thinking i am "mudslinging" you.


i expressed my opinion on weather 4 cores are even needed and gave my reason why they will make us need it.

do you deny me my right to simply express my opinion that was not even directed at you?

we are all making valid points here but at the end of the day they made this product for us to use so they will also find a way to make us need it.
 

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#23
well to start with i wasnt even refering to your post at all so dont be so defensive and paranoid thinking i am "mudslinging" you.


i expressed my opinion on weather 4 cores are even needed and gave my reason why they will make us need it.

do you deny me my right to simply express my opinion that was not even directed at you?

we are all making valid points here but at the end of the day they made this product for us to use so they will also find a way to make us need it.
My bad, I thought your post was directed at me since I was the one talking about the whole DC Vs. Qc thing
 

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#24
Nice numbers and Anandtech seems to be a bounty of knowledge.
 
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#25
My bad, I thought your post was directed at me since I was the one talking about the whole DC Vs. Qc thing
its cool, i read nothing into it because i could see how it could be missunderstood but words are just typed so dont attatch intent to them. granted some jerks go around flaming people with rude comments and get out of line but dont let them get you paranoid.