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AMD Introduces Radeon RX 5500 Series Graphics Cards

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So AMD has made a RX580 replacement that cost what a 580 used to cost and performs the same as a RX580 and pulls the power of a RX580 (note the 5500 in the picture has an 8 pin connector - unencessary on a card that pulls under 150 watts). WCCF tech claims it has a "110TDP/150TBP" design, which if true, is a whopping 14 watts lower then a stock RX480, and slightly higher then a XFX 480 GTR black. Not impressive for 7nm navi.

Woooo? So much advancement....I think? I mean, go look at the 1650 benchmarks from when it came out. Take note of where the RX570 and RX580 are at. This new RX5500 isnt any faster. Poeple complain about nvidia all the time, but AMD seems to be very comfortable not moving an inch from where polaris once stood, and if this is the best they can shrink Navi down to, big navi doesnt look so rosy anymore.


That isnt exactly unusual. MSI has made AMD gaming laptops, the FX line, for many years. They even made them with bulldozer APUs and AMD dGPUs!
That's irrelevant. what matters is the overall performance/watt/mm2. and on that note Navi is very competitive because they are able to price it competitively while offering comparable performance. note how the rx5500m is 4.6Tflops vs 5.2Tflops desktop yet its a mobile 50-75watt tdp part(half the tdp). AMD is placing these in the market based on performance rather than the power/performance sweetspot.
 
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Are you crazy? I'm guessing we will see this MSRP in the $199-$249 range. It's an RX580 replacement and should sell for RX580 MSRP roughly.

EDIT: After some digging it looks like these might go even cheaper potentially down to $149.
Where did you see this is a RX580 replacement? That is what the RX 5700 is, and the RX 5700 XT would replace the RX 590. This is more like a RX550/RX560 replacement based on the naming scheme. I estimate 120-150$ MSRP for the 4GB (150-180$ for 8GB) version assuming: between the RX 5700 and RX 5500, there will be an RX 5600; 180-210$ assuming there is no RX 5600.

Footnote slides for those interested:

RX-382..... Hey AMD, is it that hard to plug in an RX 480 into that Ryzen 7 3800X testbench? Why did you guys pair a RX 5500 with a R7 3800X and a RX 480 with an i7-5960X??? OF COURSE THE 5960X TAKES MORE POWER. :mad:
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That's irrelevant. what matters is the overall performance/watt/mm2. and on that note Navi is very competitive because they are able to price it competitively while offering comparable performance. note how the rx5500m is 4.6Tflops vs 5.2Tflops desktop yet its a mobile 50-75watt tdp part(half the tdp). AMD is placing these in the market based on performance rather than the power/performance sweetspot.
Anandtech says RX-5500M TDP is variable but starting at 85W, which the specs are taken. 85W is actually more than gtx1660ti non maxQ TDP of 80W. But then again they had wrong tdp number on desktop version too... But just for comparison gtx1650 mobile TDPs are 30W for MaxQ and 50W for MaxP. I seriously doubt it will go that low.
 
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What's the big deal with the power thingy? 75w MB + 75w connector to get 150w max theoretical (8 pin would be 225w max theoretical which IMO is a good sign for overclocking if AMD has that on their reference design).
 
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AMD has not released a sub $200 GPU since early 2017. And really, the 580 is the same card as the 480 that was released in 2016.

So basically, been over 3 years since AMD has released a sub $200 GPU and AMD is supposed to be the "value" choice. GPU prices are just insane and I suspect that if they dont get reasonable, then you are going to see the new consoles and Stradia take a serious bite out of the PC gaming market.
 
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Looks like AMD updated their product page with 150W instead of 110W. This is not good!
Might be 110W gpu only and 150W for whole graphics card. I hope that is not true though, 150W does not really make any sense unless amd is running it with higher than needed voltage and pushing the chip out of optimum operating area.
 
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Might be 110W gpu only and 150W for whole graphics card. I hope that is not true though, 150W does not really make any sense unless amd is running it with higher than needed voltage and pushing the chip out of optimum operating area.
Unless these are literally from the bottom of the silicon barrel, those clocks don't scream high voltages to me.

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never mind, ive been reading the Mobile clocks.
 
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an 8 pin on a low end card... really?
 
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Benchmark Scores Don't do em anymore. :(
Instead of speculating, why not wait for benchmarks to come out then debate about performance (real) vs hypothetical.
That's the TPU way unfortunately, everyone's an expert lol.
 
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It will be interesting to see. A bit sceptical about the 8-pin. Makes little sense.

Thing is Polaris, Vega and Navi can be really efficient when AMD uses same voltage as Nvidia does. In the Asus notebook GL702zc the rx 580 ran at around 1100MHz, quite low volt and used around 70W. It was slightly slower, but also used less power than the 1060 notebook.

My Rx 580 I undervolted to 950mv at 1264MHz. Card only used 70-80W during gamingsesdions, peaked around 110W.

My 5700 XT reference I run at 1605MHz@850mv and consumption is identical to my 580. It performs the same as a 5700 vanilla, but us barely audible and runs very cool.

Both pascal and turing runs much of the time between 800 and 1000mv. Polaris and 5700 XT runs at 1150-1200mv. 5700 vanilla runs at 950-1000mv and has better perf/watt than 2060 vanilla :)
 
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That's a nice little understated reference cooler. I hope the 5800 gets a dual-fan version.
 
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So, I didn't catch the release date, price, TDP nor the state of AIB partner cards from that.
Anandtech says "this quarter", and Phoronix says "expected in November"…
 
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Where did you see this is a RX580 replacement? That is what the RX 5700 is, and the RX 5700 XT would replace the RX 590. This is more like a RX550/RX560 replacement based on the naming scheme. I estimate 120-150$ MSRP for the 4GB (150-180$ for 8GB) version assuming: between the RX 5700 and RX 5500, there will be an RX 5600; 180-210$ assuming there is no RX 5600.


RX-382..... Hey AMD, is it that hard to plug in an RX 480 into that Ryzen 7 3800X testbench? Why did you guys pair a RX 5500 with a R7 3800X and a RX 480 with an i7-5960X??? OF COURSE THE 5960X TAKES MORE POWER. :mad:
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What is interesting is the 12% absolute performance over the RX480, pretty good considering ~30% less shaders. However the RX 570 4GB models have been going on sale here for $155 Canadian on the low end. I wonder what the absolute fps/$ will be vs an RX570 4GB?

I would like to see how it performs with video playback, and encoding/decoding vs an RX570 4GB.
 
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So by the pricing current Turing stack up:
  • Low end: GTX1650 $149
  • Lower Midrange: GTX1660 $219
  • Midrange: GTX1660 ti $279, RTX 2060S $399
  • Upper Mid range: RTX 2070S $499
  • High End: RTX 2080S $699
  • Because money: RTX 2080 ti $1299
  • Prosumer: Titan RTX $2499
FTFY. Non s cards have been discontinued afaik.
btw High end = Enthusiast, beyond that nvidia stated it themselves the ti only came about because people where throwing money at them for titans even though it wasn't a gaming card
 
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So AMD has made a RX580 replacement that cost what a 580 used to cost and performs the same as a RX580 and pulls the power of a RX580 (note the 5500 in the picture has an 8 pin connector - unencessary on a card that pulls under 150 watts). WCCF tech claims it has a "110TDP/150TBP" design, which if true, is a whopping 14 watts lower then a stock RX480, and slightly higher then a XFX 480 GTR black. Not impressive for 7nm navi.

Woooo? So much advancement....I think? I mean, go look at the 1650 benchmarks from when it came out. Take note of where the RX570 and RX580 are at. This new RX5500 isnt any faster. Poeple complain about nvidia all the time, but AMD seems to be very comfortable not moving an inch from where polaris once stood, and if this is the best they can shrink Navi down to, big navi doesnt look so rosy anymore.


That isnt exactly unusual. MSI has made AMD gaming laptops, the FX line, for many years. They even made them with bulldozer APUs and AMD dGPUs!
Go watch some "Moore's Law Is Dead" videos and he explains the business aspects that are involved. Everyone wants 7nm and only TSMC and Samsung have them now. AMD doesn't have the money battle chest that Intel and Nvidia do so why should they continue to work with scraps selling 7nm GPU chips for low margins when they can sell CPUs for higher margins? Eventually the GPU chips get binned enough where say, a 5500 series can be made from what I would guess are 5700 chips that didn't bin as well (seeing as 7nm is still new).

Mindset is important - yes!

Having actual competition is good - yes!

Making sure you make intelligent business decisions to be able to make awesome products on a sustainable level? More important then making poeople complaining on an Internet forum. Trust me, I want to see the competition return from AMD too though they're certainly making the right moves.
 
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Nice specs, a good price will make it a great seller, specially considering the price of turing's low to mid end.
 

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I would expect the entry level (RTX2060) gaming card to cost 200 - 250 dollars/euro.
The mid level (RTX2070) card to be about 350 - 400 - 450.
The high level (RTX2080) card to be about 600 dollar.

The ultra high end (RTX2080Ti) card to be about 750 dollar.

ya know.... like it used to be before the rediculous price jumps.
600 for any card is ridiculous
 
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What is interesting is the 12% absolute performance over the RX480, pretty good considering ~30% less shaders. However the RX 570 4GB models have been going on sale here for $155 Canadian on the low end. I wonder what the absolute fps/$ will be vs an RX570 4GB?

I would like to see how it performs with video playback, and encoding/decoding vs an RX570 4GB.
Polaris is pretty much going out of market right now... at least in Europe. One of the bigger e-tailers ALZA now only has the grand total of 15 models of RX 570/RX 580 and 590s combined.

In my opinion the RX 5500 4-8GB will slot into the 139-159USD spot and the RX 5500 XT 8GB will go for 179USD.

If you want it for video playback and / or HW endcoding wait for the RX 5500 as it has the new Media Engine. If you just want the performance level, get the RX 570 4GB while it is on the shelves at a discount.
 
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