AMD Preparing Radeon HD 5950 for Q1 2010?

[Lionheart]

cant wait to I get my HD5970, just thought i'd mentioned that to tease everyone, lol

 

[shevanel]

how much do you think a 5950 is going to list for? $499?

this also looks cool

 

[human_error]

What bothers me is the neccessity to do this to have it all match up right.



when cross-firing uneven cards, for instance a 5870 and a 5850, performance will be slightly under 5850CF due to the overhead of matching uneven cards, I can't remember which review I saw this in but a 5870+5850 was consistently 1-3% slower than 5850CF, meaning you lose the extra you paid for with the 5870 Unless you OC.

EDIT here it was; http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1107/1/

Yeah but crossfire is always shaky on launch/early drivers, i'd expect that issue to be fixed within a couple of proper driver releases and crossfire to work as it does on the 4k series with proper performance scaling.

 

[eidairaman1]

I have to believe that the new VGA Nvidia's dual GPU will now only'm sure it will be absurd, ventilation will be the same GTX 285.275 .. something you understand?

your first part of the quote makes no sense, please rephrase.

 

[wolf]

Also regarding the GPU mhz clock vs 5870's, they did it to drop costs. They OC to the same levels, they use the same GPU, yet per GPU, the 5970 is significantly cheaper, its fantastic!

I don't really see how cost comes into it at all, what costs more about setting the clock speed/voltage/fan profile in the cards bios, considering they know very well what a cypress GPU can clock too, and how hot they can get.

IMO they did it to taunt massive overclockability, and to keep the noise down a little, even though I hear its damn loud anyway, oh and maybe to keep the power just under the 'rated' 300w of the power connectors and pci-e slot, even though as weve seen they can clock much higher than a stock 5870 with some volts and are fine power wise.

 

[pr0n Inspector]

I feel compelled to post this:

 

[1Kurgan1]

I don't really see how cost comes into it at all, what costs more about setting the clock speed/voltage/fan profile in the cards bios, considering they know very well what a cypress GPU can clock too, and how hot they can get.

IMO they did it to taunt massive overclockability, and to keep the noise down a little, even though I hear its damn loud anyway, oh and maybe to keep the power just under the 'rated' 300w of the power connectors and pci-e slot, even though as weve seen they can clock much higher than a stock 5870 with some volts and are fine power wise.

So they took 2x 5870 GPU's ($400 cards each), priced it at $600 for what other reason besides that they down clocked it? I mean did they just feel like loosing out on $200? There is no other difference between them, that is the only logical thing. They bin down chips all the time and price them lower, the 4830's had a very cut down 4870 GPU and at times those were almost 2x cheaper than a 4870.

In the end it does give it massive over clock ability, but I don't really count that as it should be since it's 2x 5870 GPU's that were clocked down. But hopefully that helps oyu understand how it does come into it.

 

[wolf]

I see your point, they clocked it like they did so they could still sell 5870's, which I don't like at all, they should have clocked it like 5870's and dropped the prices on the existing lineup IMO.

On a separate note, even though I bought one, I don't think a 5870 is $400 worth of card, even more of a rip at $~600 AUD at the time, considering we trade at over 90 US cents, they want ~$1000 AUD for a 5970

My feeling is they have price drops ready and waiting for a Fermi counter-attack.

All I'm really saying is on the entire lineup I don't like their pricing (can see why tho, sell em for as much as they can get away with while they're still the best), and for the dual GPU card/s, I personally don't like their choice of clock speeds.

 

[eidairaman1]

why, nv did the same exact thing with the 295 and no one bitched, so what makes that any different???

I see your point, they clocked it like they did so they could still sell 5870's, which I don't like at all, they should have clocked it like 5870's and dropped the prices on the existing lineup IMO.

On a separate note, even though I bought one, I don't think a 5870 is $400 worth of card, even more of a rip at $~600 AUD at the time, considering we trade at over 90 US cents, they want ~$1000 AUD for a 5970

My feeling is they have price drops ready and waiting for a Fermi counter-attack.

All I'm really saying is on the entire lineup I don't like their pricing (can see why tho, sell em while they're still the best), and for the dual GPU card/s, I personally don't like their choice of clock speeds.

 

[wolf]

why, nv did the same exact thing with the 295 and no one bitched, so what makes that any different???

Well for one I'm not talking about the GTX295.

And who says I liked their choice of clock speeds? (did not btw) Not to mention you couldn't SLi it with a GTX280/285 anyway, and have roughly the same dilemma as 5970+5870.

Keep in mind Nvidia never really taunted overclockability and GT200 chips clock very well, especially GTX260/275 variants.

At the end of the day they do what they do to maximize sales/profits, doesn't mean I like some of their choices, that's really all I'm saying here.

 

[eidairaman1]

Thank you for clarifying your point of view

Well for one I'm not talking about the GTX295.

And who says I liked their choice of clock speeds? (did not btw) Not to mention you couldn't SLi it with a GTX280/285 anyway, and have roughly the same dilemma as 5970+5870.

Keep in mind Nvidia never really taunted overclockability and GT200 chips clock very well, especially GTX260/275 variants.

At the end of the day they do what they do to maximize sales/profits, doesn't mean I like some of their choices, that's really all I'm saying here.

 

[wolf]

Hey thanks for understanding

and hey not liking aspects doesn't mean I won't buy it...

bought a GTX295, and a 5870, probably will look at a 5970 or Fermi soon enough

 

[Hayder_Master]

it should be 5970 with 4G ram

 

[Tatty_Two]

That strategy only works if you can actually keep the shelves and the stockroom full...

Agreed, and sadly they cant for some of their single GPU offerings...... Ohhh and those are the ones that sell the most, lets face it, less than 5% of PC consumers buy the dual GPU's, perhaps they should have concentrated on getting more 5870's out first before hitting us with one and then two dual GPU cards.

 

[johnnyfiive]

Am I the only one that thinks this "shortage" is a evil ploy?

 

[Steevo]

I think the 5XX is a series to its own, and to DX11.


We have reached the performance plateau required and now we are working on dedicated hardware to perform the pretties/physics calculations offloading it from the CPU to GPU core shaders. Much like UVD and using Stream or Cuda to perform tasks, we have a tesselator in place, and multithreading.


Now just for the next round of real DX11 games to utilize the tech. Unfortunately the more I look at games the more I realize we will need a Xbox refresh to push the games into DX11 territory. Perhaps Valve will save us.


One thing is certain though, the difference between 60FPS and 120 is crap, but the difference between angle independant AA, larger bitmaps, tessellation, and other new hardware tech is going to be the driving technology soon.

 

[eidairaman1]

here's the other thing, we have yet to hit the plateau in performance, once Video cards are able to handle 60 FPS Average, low and high with Detail Level Maxed at 2056x1600 in game and video card forced on all the newest games, then we will be at that plateau, as Resolutions beyond 2056 have yet to been broken/determined. Im talking about on a single panel, not multiple in an array like the EyeFinity