AMD Pulls Radeon "Vega" Launch to October

[Octopuss]

I don't even understand what is what. Polaris 10, Polaris 11, Vega 10, Vega 483... what the hell.

"multi-chip module" means dual GPU or what?

 

[Eroticus]

I don't even understand what is what. Polaris 10, Polaris 11, Vega 10, Vega 483... what the hell.

"multi-chip module" means dual GPU or what?

http://www.3dcenter.org/news/amd-zieht-den-vega-launch-angeblich-auf-oktober-2016-vor

 

[Caring1]

Just in time for Christmas.

 

[medi01]

I really dont think AMD have been caught out, Everyone in the industry has expected big performance gains with 16nm and 14nm. Die shrinks usually at least double performance from previous gen.

That's the puzzling part, actually.
I mean, dafuq were they thinking at AMD, why was it ok not to get something that takes on 980Ti? (490/490x)

Maybe they focused on "semi-custom" (consoles) and mobile chips for Apple too much.

 

[ensabrenoir]

......Maybe Amd was focusing on the consoles and figured nvidia would take it easy this go around and release something with very minor performance increases.

 

[LightningJR]

The reference 1070 is $449 and with limited availability and no competition for a while, expect to pay over $500 , probably around $549 for a 1070 at least until October. Same with the 1080, the reference card is $699, but will be more like $749 or more for months.

I would love to hear the basis of your argument for this reasoning.

For one founders edition is basically NVidia brand and reference cooler. From all that I have heard and read manufacturers will launch their cards along side NVidia's own at suggested retail price with the reference cooler.

There's no reason to think the cards will be sold at higher than suggested retail unless there's low stock. Also, why October? Because AMD will release Vega then? That why you think prices will come down in Oct?

4 years ago I bought my 670 at the EXACT same price it launched for.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Cause I NEED IT NOW

Mee too. Got myself a nice 34 incher, unfortunately my 780Ti cannot match the double increase in pixels.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Good I guess? I think they would be smart to counter Nvidias new card in the meantime with just a good good price drop on current cards, not many need more performance then an R9 390 let alone a Fury so yeah drop pricing and sell those off.

 

[iO]

That's the puzzling part, actually.
I mean, dafuq were they thinking at AMD, why was it ok not to get something that takes on 980Ti? (490/490x)

Simple lack of resources. They focused on the really needed replacement of their ancient Pitcairn/Hawaii rebrands.

Maybe the were expecting from Nvidia to focus on low power too.
Or they didnt expect TSMCs 16nm to clock that high.

 

[cdawall]

Why is everyone freaking out like this is a new thing there has always been a few months between releases of high end cards from NV and amd. This is the same thing that has happened for decades. Welcome to the past 9 gens of cards.

 

[R-T-B]

Guess that means NVidia won't respond with the 1080ti until after October. Gotta wait even longer

The longer it takes, the more likely I can scrape together the dollars to afford it.

All's good in frog town.

 

[medi01]

Or they didnt expect TSMCs 16nm to clock that high.

But GF promises... lots of improvements from node shrink, why would they expect less from TSMC:

Welcome to the past 9 gens of cards.

The Q is, what is behind this move.
Was it planned as a surprise for nVidia.
Or is it a response to bad surprise (although I don't fucking get how that could have been surprising) from nVidia. (bad for AMD that is)

I mean, HBM2 in... Oct 2016? Wow.

 

[ZoneDymo]

......Maybe Amd was focusing on the consoles and figured nvidia would take it easy this go around and release something with very minor performance increases.

which is effectively what is happening...that 2 x TitanX is just massive bs.

 

[ZoneDymo]

Why is everyone freaking out like this is a new thing there has always been a few months between releases of high end cards from NV and amd. This is the same thing that has happened for decades. Welcome to the past 9 gens of cards.

People tend to forget, it happens all the time, just look at all those "analysts" predicting things on the TV about for example which candidate will be chosen or how things will go, constantly wrong and yet some time later they are called right back in to sell us bs once again....the people just tend to forget what these asshats predicted and that they were wrong.
Just an example obviously but the main point is....people forget.

 

[wiak]

Polaris 10 is replacement for Grenada
Vega is replacement for Fiji

the writing is on the wall, there is a reason vega has hbm2

 

[ensabrenoir]

which is effectively what is happening...that 2 x TitanX is just massive bs.

.....I think its faster than titian x/ 980 sli which is true depending on situation #marketing4thewin

 

[snakefist]

Amazing how much information is here

As of now, NOBODY had neither 1070, 1080 or any Polaris for an independent test, Nvidia silicon wasn't shown last week (somebody smart will quickly claim opposite, yes CEO was *holding* one), we had selective benchmarks by manufacturer claiming *something* - and final 'proof' was some guy supposedly running unreleased game on youtube at, supposedly, insane speed.

Meanwhile, in the opposite corner, several months ago we saw unnamed card beating another 'comparative' one (at least it was manufacturer silicon) in... power-usage. And now the release date of another future product suddenly become CLOSER for 6 months, despite the opposite being true in most cases.

But thanks to these informative posts, now I know so much more! Who-was-punched-and-where and what other cards beat TitanX and so on...

Personally, I consider card released when I am able to buy it in local store. At that time, there are usually whole bunch of benchmarks proving this-and-that, and prices are often adjusted from initial recommendations. If I'm buying something (usually mid-range), I decide *then*. But that's just me...

 

[efikkan]

I don't doubt that AMD is in panic mode (especially since it seems they might not compete with neither GTX 1070 nor GTX 1080), but I don't trust forum posts from a single guy on 3dcenter, a site which btw is known for mispredictions.

We'll see in time if there is some more solid info backing this.

 

[GhostRyder]

Interesting, well I guessed they might do that if they could muster up the supply especially if they worried about the new GTX 1070/1080 being as good as it sounds. Guess I can wait a little longer and see what they bring to the table, but that 1080 at 2100mhz is calling my name!!! I just wonder what it will do under water (or if that will make a difference)!!!

 

[G33k2Fr34k]

You don't aim low when you have access to finfet fabrication technology. What they did is ridiculous and they're paying for it. Also, many key people left their graphics division since RTG was formed headed by that new guy.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I don't doubt that AMD is in panic mode (especially since it seems they might not compete with neither GTX 1070 nor GTX 1080), but I don't trust forum posts from a single guy on 3dcenter, a site which btw is known for mispredictions.

We'll see in time if there is some more solid info backing this.

I want to know what they were thinking. Why would vega take so long to come out after polaris? HBM2 may be interesting, but they need to compete now, not later. I thought they would have figures that out after the whole fury debacle.

 

[efikkan]

I want to know what they were thinking. Why would vega take so long to come out after polaris? HBM2 may be interesting, but they need to compete now, not later. I thought they would have figures that out after the whole fury debacle.

HBM2 will be scarce throughout Q1 2017, but why not use GDDR5X? It's more than fast enough for gaming anyway.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

HBM2 will be scarce throughout Q1 2017, but why not use GDDR5X? It's more than fast enough for gaming anyway.

Exactly. vega should have been built around gddr5x, with another super chip built around HBM2.

 

[Eroticus]

Exactly. vega should have been built around gddr5x, with another super chip built around HBM2.

What is the point of GDDR5X 256bit bus on gtx 1080, if 356bit bus of GDDR5 is still faster ... ? maybe i don't understand something....

 

[ShurikN]

Is it just me, or is the naming scheme retarded. Polaris has 10 faster than 11, and Vega has 11 faster than 10 ?!?!?!