AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

[Visible Noise]

It should be around RTX 5070 Ti but 699$ pricepoint is too close. Even RX 7800 XT was ~17% cheaper than RTX 4070 so it should cost around 625$ to make a success. This time RT gap will be somewhat closed.

Anything over $549 and RDNA is RDOA.

 

[JohH]

Bullpoop. It's the replacement for the 7800 XT. It won't be that fast. If it matches the 7900 XT that would be impressive.

 

[Super XP]

9070 for $499 and 9070XT for $699 would actually be a jackpot.

Well that all depends. AMD positioned its RX 9070s to go up against Nvidia's RTX 5070s and not the RTX 5080s. I also believe AMD originally thought Nvidia would have priced its RTX 5070Ti & non Ti much higher. But Nvidia changed the pricing scheme last minute. AMD was hoping that the 5070Ti would be around $899 so that they too can price their 9070XT at $799 or $829 or so IMO. I say this because AMD Overpriced its RDNA 2 & RDNA 3 GPUs quite significantly, which equated to losing significant market share.

AMD to price its dGPUs at 15-20% cheaper.
RTX 5070 = $549 - As reported by Nvidia via CES
RX 9070 = $449
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RTX 5070Ti = $749 - As reported by Nvidia vis CES
RX 9070XT = $599
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RTX 5080 = $999
RX 9080XT = $899 - Rumored to come 6 months after the 9070XT is officially launched & available.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

AMD also discloses their known driver issues, Nvidia doesn't so a lot of generalizations happen on thinking only AMD has any issues.

ROFL you can't be serious. Really? I knwo there's people who want to desperately meatshield for AMD but this is just....bruh.

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/572.16/572.16-win11-win10-release-notes.pdf

Perhaps the reason every nvidia driver release doesnt contain a list about known issues is because.....they dont typically ship with longstanding known issues?

Well that all depends. AMD positioned its RX 9070s to go up against Nvidia's RTX 5070s and not the RTX 5080s. I also believe AMD originally thought Nvidia would have priced its RTX 5070Ti & non Ti much higher. But Nvidia changed the pricing scheme last minute. AMD was hoping that the 5070Ti would be around $899 so that they too can price their 9070XT at $799 or $829 or so IMO. I say this because AMD Overpriced its RDNA 2 & RDNA 3 GPUs quite significantly, which equated to losing significant market share.

AMD to price its dGPUs at 15-20% cheaper.
RTX 5070 = $549 - As reported by Nvidia via CES
RX 9070 = $449
----------------
RTX 5070Ti = $749 - As reported by Nvidia vis CES
RX 9070XT = $599
----------------
RTX 5080 = $999
RX 9080XT = $899 - Rumored to come 6 months after the 9070XT is officially launched & available.

Oh man, now that you said it MLID is gonna make 3 videos about RX 9080 confirmed launching faster then 4090 videos.

 

[chrcoluk]

If it beats 4080S, then I would consider 699 a fair price that I would personally pay for it

Yes that would be good price/perf for where it needs to be.

 

[Super XP]

ROFL you can't be serious. Really? I knwo there's people who want to desperately meatshield for AMD but this is just....bruh.

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/572.16/572.16-win11-win10-release-notes.pdf

Perhaps the reason every nvidia driver release doesnt contain a list about known issues is because.....they dont typically ship with longstanding known issues?


Oh man, now that you said it MLID is gonna make 3 videos about RX 9080 confirmed launching faster then 4090 videos.

Actually I didn't say it. It was a couple people off X.

 

[JustBenching]

The 4080 12GB was $800 for 40TF w/ 12GB of ram. Eight Hundred Fucking Dollars and you can't play some games with high settings at 1440p comfortably.

The 7900xt was 900$ and you could play even less game at 1440p due to lacking RT performance. Cry me a river

 

[Jtuck9]

I want your answer, not a generic tome on Nvidia's glory that I don't have time to read. I want data, not text - data actually is available here on TPU, and tells me that the 5080 is a 4080 Super with a new name.

A generic tome based on the persons experience with the card. I don't have one. From other things I've glanced at apparently the transformer DLSS4 model elevates the card to the 4K card you should be after. TPU themselves have opined on the quality of the technology ""Quality" looks like native, sometimes better." Plus factor things in like the size of the card (cooling) etc...

Dunno. You tell me.

I have my theories. Why If I had the money I'd look at a 5080 to last me a few good years and why I lend weight to the legitimacy of DLSS 4 (as well as the negatives). I hope AMD give me an opportunity to re-evaluate my position because I don't think I've ever owned an Nvidia GPU. Even the laptop I'm currently using has an APU in it.

Actually I didn't say it. It was a couple people off X.

Probably the same person doing the rounds in the videocardz comment section. I'm personally wondering if they aren't just saving the high end for UDNA or whatever focuses more / has the capacity for neural rendering, which high end 50 series cards presumably do.

 

[mkppo]

IMHO that is one of the best articles ever written in the space, and reference it regularly. THAT is why I enjoy the hobby. THAT RIGHT THERE. Take notice, AMD. That is what your customers want.
Because we're nerds. We're the people that supported ATi/AMD in the face of ever-increasing nVIDIA marketing and Intel's dominance in the space since forever. Because their choices were logical.
We bought the mobile T-birds and the T-breds instead of Intel and put them in a desktop socket.
We bought the A64 multi-core Opterons instead of Intel. We did pin-mods for cores, ran high-voltage Winbond BH-5 and DFI toaster boxes instead of Sammy TCCD on Intel.

I agree we lost too many of them and haven't entirely been replaced. It is what it is but he sort of spawned, for a lack of better word, a few like Ian and Wendell who do well with the technical stuff.

Weird you mention it, I was thinking of BH-5 the other day for some reason. I had a set of CH-5 I killed trying to reach (voltage, torture) general BH-5 speeds on my t-bred B. The replacement BH-5 was 2-2-2-4 stuff so I suppose it was worth it and those B rev chips, if you got the good ones, were a blast to overclock. And yes, the mobile ones were the good ones. And then came the core unlocking days. I think i had a x3>x4 unlocked full tilt and the funny thing is the fused off core was better than the rest.

To the topic at hand, I'm actually surprised AMD decided to abandon the x80 class this round. It would've been pretty easy for them to reach performance parity in that class with a slightly bigger die on a wider bus, somewhat akin to a monolithic 7900xtx on rdna4 I suppose. It would even be a better match than last round because RT performance differential would be less. 9070XT looks like a 7800XT on RDNA4 with the relatively bigger die taken up by more dark silicon, RT and RDNA4 enhancements. And it's wild that's only what it took for them to straddle the 70/80 class, supposedly. Milk the last arch, AMD, before you, erm, abandon the market?

Anything over $549 and RDNA is RDOA.

No bud. Since we exactly know the performance, you should know it's anything over $300 (HD 4870) and not only RDNA but AMD is DOA. Too many abbreviations are hurting my brain. Nvidia is better.

 

[Super XP]

The 7900xt was 900$ and you could play even less game at 1440p due to lacking RT performance. Cry me a river

RT is a gimmick. And look Nvidia had to create DLSS just to have RT enabled. Most people do not prefer RT and leave it disabled.

 

[Bomby569]

Well that all depends. AMD positioned its RX 9070s to go up against Nvidia's RTX 5070s and not the RTX 5080s. I also believe AMD originally thought Nvidia would have priced its RTX 5070Ti & non Ti much higher. But Nvidia changed the pricing scheme last minute. AMD was hoping that the 5070Ti would be around $899 so that they too can price their 9070XT at $799 or $829 or so IMO. I say this because AMD Overpriced its RDNA 2 & RDNA 3 GPUs quite significantly, which equated to losing significant market share.

AMD to price its dGPUs at 15-20% cheaper.
RTX 5070 = $549 - As reported by Nvidia via CES
RX 9070 = $449
----------------
RTX 5070Ti = $749 - As reported by Nvidia vis CES
RX 9070XT = $599
----------------
RTX 5080 = $999
RX 9080XT = $899 - Rumored to come 6 months after the 9070XT is officially launched & available.

100 usd difference will not be enough, i can guarantee you that. If that is the strategy the end result will be the same as last time.
Either AMD finally faces the music and come to terms that their software, RT and AI features are much worst and price accordingly or they are just wasting their own money and market share.

 

[Dristun]

RT is a gimmick. And look Nvidia had to create DLSS just to have RT enabled. Most people do not prefer RT and leave it disabled.

AA/AF is a gimmick. Most people prefer to play without it. AMD only created 9700Pro so people could have it enabled! /s

Come on. In games where it's only a few shadows it's a gimmick. In games where it's a proper implementation or PT it looks awesome. The hardware will catch up eventually.

 

[Super XP]

Milk the last arch, AMD, before you, erm, abandon the market?

AMD abandon the dGPU market? Would be a death blow to the company. Not happening of course.
AMD is going through the transition from RDNA to UDNA, that's all. They placed most of its Radeon Group resources onto UDNA. And choose to stuck to the mid range market with its final RDNA4 run. That was a good decision from the company.

 

[Bomby569]

AA/AF is a gimmick. Most people prefer to play without it. AMD only created 9700Pro so people could have it enabled! /s

Come on. In games where it's only a few shadows it's a gimmick. In games where it's a proper implementation or PT it looks awesome. The hardware will catch up eventually.

and it gets worst, he is forgetting it's starting to become impossible to play games without RT, it's backed into the games now.

 

[Super XP]

AA/AF is a gimmick. Most people prefer to play without it. AMD only created 9700Pro so people could have it enabled! /s

Come on. In games where it's only a few shadows it's a gimmick. In games where it's a proper implementation or PT it looks awesome. The hardware will catch up eventually.

Lets hope the hardware catches up so people can enjoy enabling RT without needing things like DLSSs. And lets also hope the fake frame generation which Nvidia is so keen on pushing also dies off.
As for AA & AF I play with those on max.

 

[JustBenching]

RT is a gimmick. And look Nvidia had to create DLSS just to have RT enabled. Most people do not prefer RT and leave it disabled.

Yeah, the whole gaming industry is moving to rt but it's a gimmick . A random nvidia hater said it on the internet, must be true.

 

[Super XP]

he is forgetting it's starting to become impossible to play games without RT, it's backed into the games now.

RT will always be a choice to Enable or Disable. Most people, including myself do not like how RT looks. Maybe sometime in the future it will get better, who knows.

 

[Bomby569]

Lets hope the hardware catches up so people can enjoy enabling RT without needing things like DLSSs. And lets also hope the fake frame generation which Nvidia is so keen on pushing also dies off.
As for AA & AF I play with those on max.

the ship is long gone and you are screaming from the shore for it to come back, like a crazy person

 

[Dristun]

Lets hope the hardware catches up so people can enjoy enabling RT without needing things like DLSSs. And lets also hope the fake frame generation which Nvidia is so keen on pushing also dies off.
As for AA & AF I play with those on max.

I'm joking. You might remember how 9700pro completely demolished Ti 4600 with AA/AF enabled. Stuff happens! Today nvidia has better grasp on tech that allows running prettier pictures faster. In 5 years it might be AMD again, you never know.

 

[Super XP]

100 usd difference will not be enough, i can guarantee you that.

I agree 100%. But this is AMD we are talking about, they did a great job screwing up the prices for RDNA2 & 3. We can only hope they price RDNA4 reasonable or else they will continue to see market share decline.

I'm joking. You might remember how 9700pro completely demolished Ti 4600 with AA/AF enabled. Stuff happens! Today nvidia has better grasp on tech that allows running prettier pictures faster. In 5 years it might be AMD again, you never know.
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Yes I do remember. I also had the Radeon 9700Pro, the ATI graphics card that caught Nvidia by surprise.

the ship is long gone and you are screaming from the shore for it to come back, like a crazy person

Tell me why do you like Fake Frames? lol, 75% of the frames are fake, but 100% of the money you spend on this is real.

Yeah, the whole gaming industry is moving to rt but it's a gimmick . A random nvidia hater said it on the internet, must be true.

Umm I own AMD, Intel, Nvidia and Radeon GPUs. I will call out any company when they strong arm their gimmicks to game devs and publishers,

 

[JustBenching]

Umm I own AMD, Intel, Nvidia and Radeon GPUs. I will call out any company when they strong arm their gimmicks to game devs and publishers,

You call out what you think is a gimmick. The rest of the planet disagrees with you. Even consoles, you know made by AMD, are pushing for RT and upscaling.

 

[Bomby569]

Tell me why do you like Fake Frames? lol, 75% of the frames are fake, but 100% of the money you spend on this is real.

i don't. i don't like DLSS or upscaling, RT is nice but it's too demanding, i would prefer raster all the way. But there is no point in screaming at windmill like DonQuixote, that shit has sailed man, accept it and move on

 

[Super XP]

You call out what you think is a gimmick. The rest of the planet disagrees with you. Even consoles, you know made by AMD, are pushing for RT and upscaling.

Only because the market leader is pushing it. So AMD needs to follow suit.

 

[Jtuck9]

Only because the market leader is pushing it. So AMD needs to follow suit.

AMD research suggests plans to catch up to Nvidia using neural supersampling and denoising for real-time path tracing

This sounds like the foundation for FSR 4.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[JustBenching]

Only because the market leader is pushing it. So AMD needs to follow suit.

RT was a thing way before nvidia was even a company, but yeah, what ever.