AMD Radeon R9 Nano Review by TPU...Not

[mouacyk]

Time to remove my pleasant attitude.

... rant...

Good rant. I never read TPU conclusion sections and don't intend to. Their graphs speak plenty of the quality work they do.

 

[cadaveca]

Hilbert over at Guru3D has one, and he's the best and most impartial graphics card reviewer around IMO. If AMD were looking to avoid reviews, I doubt he'd have one.

Impartial isn't posting AMD-only marketing, like the mantle review Hilbert did. AMD's only using marketing-friendly companies for reviews it seems. We have a larger reach than GuRu3D (according to the public info available by Alexa), so this definitely isn't about AMD getting the widest exposure for their products, it's about getting the reviews they want. Tech Report not getting one is not surprising, since the whole frame pacing stuff, and HardOCP not getting one is weird, since I think HardOCP has always been very AMD-friendly.

So the idea that sites with anti-AMD bias aren't getting cards seems wrong, to me. There's another reason why only certain sites are getting cards for launch day.

BTA posting this news item isn't about complaining about it for W1zz... something very weird is going on for sure.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Impartial isn't posting AMD-only marketing, like the mantle review Hilbert did. AMD's only using marketing-friendly companies for reviews it seems. We have a larger reach than GuRu3D (according to the public info available by Alexa), so this definitely isn't about AMD getting the widest exposure for their products, it's about getting the reviews they want. Tech Report not getting one is not surprising, since the whole frame pacing stuff, and HardOCP not getting one is weird, since I think HardOCP has always been very AMD-friendly.

So the idea that sites with anti-AMD bias aren't getting cards seems wrong, to me. There's another reason why only certain sites are getting cards for launch day.

BTA posting this news item isn't about complaining about it for W1zz... something very weird is going on for sure.

Illuminati confirmed.

 

[truth teller]

uh? so who got the sample that was meant for tpu?
i tought tpu was a major player in the review field, in fact the major player

what the hell amd press folks

 

[the54thvoid]

This whole topic makes me nauseated. Both companies don't send out every single SKU to reviewers. I suspect why this is making waves (to contrary belief if you read the other Nano threads) because people are interested in it one way or the other.

Most reference skus don't get sent out and sites have to improvise and test AIB OC cards to reference numbers. Never an up roar on those cards because they don't generate interest one way or the other.

Not sending review samples to review sites is less marketing for them good or bad. It also reduces potential revenue for sites and a product that generates this much attention good or bad will bring in traffic to sites.

To me it equates to getting upset your free lunch card doesn't work because the lunches ran out but you still want your free lunch meal.

This is in general not specific to TPU.

So you're saying TPU is pissed (not specific to TPU you say but inclusion compiles them as a component of this) because they wont get traffic now? Not that one of the largest independent tech sites is 'snubbed' which is very unusual?

The reason Guru3D is getting one is because their decibel reviews are constantly "yeah man, we totally cant hear this card". I've said to W1zzard in the past that Hilbert's reviews are always contradictory to his. If anything, W1zzards testing usually reflects poorly on most cards noise (inc Maxwell) compared to other places. I'll put my chips on this factor. If so it means Nano isn't as quiet as they are saying or that to be quiet, it'll throttle like crazy.

 

[Xzibit]

Impartial isn't posting AMD-only marketing, like the mantle review Hilbert did. AMD's only using marketing-friendly companies for reviews it seems. We have a larger reach than GuRu3D (according to the public info available by Alexa), so this definitely isn't about AMD getting the widest exposure for their products, it's about getting the reviews they want. Tech Report not getting one is not surprising, since the whole frame pacing stuff, and HardOCP not getting one is weird, since I think HardOCP has always been very AMD-friendly.

So the idea that sites with anti-AMD bias aren't getting cards seems wrong, to me. There's another reason why only certain sites are getting cards for launch day.

BTA posting this news item isn't about complaining about it for W1zz... something very weird is going on for sure.

Tech Report might of started the frame pacing but Ryan over at PCPerspective took it further collaborating with Nvidia to bring FCAT. If AMD wanted to avoid anyone it would be PCPerspective I would think but he has one and said he would look at it closely from all sides.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I have that clown (SOny) on ignore... I suggest you all do it too until the management at TPU realizes what a forum disease that kid is....

Yeah that's all well and good, until I'm reading through page 2 and scratching my head wondering WTF everyone is getting on about, LOL! It literally made no sense until I got to your post and had to show ignored content.

 

[HumanSmoke]

While we all may feel this is a slight against our community, perhaps AMD is really that hard up right now.

You would have to have a pretty screwed up business model if the revenue from a few cards outweighs the marketing impact of having the card reviewed and appearing in future benchmark review charts.
We are already at the point where other sites reviews now lack Fury/Fury X results because the site had to return the review samples...so, no PR, no ongoing marketing, and a ton of negative press. That doesn't seem like a fair trade-off for the revenue of a few retail sales to me.

HardOCP said they would buy the card if they had to, would expect TPU would do same.

HardOCP stated that their review would be conducted under the conditions that AMD have been marketing the card for - namely, the review test system would be enclosed in a SFF build. Maybe AMD got cold feet.

 

[cadaveca]

The reason Guru3D is getting one is because their decibel reviews are constantly "yeah man, we totally cant hear this card". I've said to W1zzard in the past that Hilbert's reviews are always contradictory to his. If anything, W1zzards testing usually reflects poorly on most cards noise (inc Maxwell) compared to other places. I'll put my chips on this factor. If so it means Nano isn't as quiet as they are saying or that to be quiet, it'll throttle like crazy.

You do realize that proper sound measurements require math, not just a dB meter? I've taken proper courses on acoustic analysis and management, and very few sites and almost no companies report real dB numbers.

 

[NC37]

Why the fuss really? No one in their right mind is going to buy these things. The moment AMD announced the price and gave the basic info on Nano, it was doomed. People expected a different product than what they delivered. Mostly this was AMD's fault for confusing the public with their PR statements.

So TPU doesn't get a Nano? Who cares! Nano is a lame duck, let it go.

 

[ShurikN]

Tech Report might of started the frame pacing but Ryan over at PCPerspective took it further collaborating with Nvidia to bring FCAT. If AMD wanted to avoid anyone it would be PCPerspective I would think but he has one and said he would look at it closely from all sides.

So in other words, this is just an angry TPU rant, for not getting a card, while others have.

 

[the54thvoid]

You do realize that proper sound measurements require math, not just a dB meter? I've taken proper courses on acoustic analysis and management, and very few sites and almost no companies report real dB numbers.

The masses don't care about that. They just want to know what the numbers say on the doo-hickey noise probe thingy-ma-jig

All said and done - nobody should actually see this thread as a stab at the Nano card itself. Once more it's a criticism of AMD's PR dept.

So in other words, this is just an angry TPU rant, for not getting a card, while others have.

When NVIDIA didn't send us a GeForce GTX TITAN-Z sample, we didn't care. We didn't make an announcement like this.

Try again.

 

[Cloudfire]

This is AMD preparing for damage control.
This is AMD knowing that the R9 Nano will completely suck in the performance/dollar chart TPU make.
This is AMD knowing that the R9 Nano will be measured extremely close to GTX 970 Mini ITX in 1080p and 1440p and they will not be able to defend the BS $650 price point for the card when the GTX 970 Mini ITX cost $300.

You saw the same damage control when they refused to give TechReport samples, because TR measured frame times where 980Ti did much better overall than Fury X. And you saw the same damage control with refusing HardOCP any samples because they said that a factory overclocked GTX 980 with much better cooling than stock 980 can compete against Fury (non X) in most cases.

You saw the signs that the R9 Nano will be quite slower than Fury and Fury X in the pre release Far Cry 4 benchmark from AMD where they didnt seem to test the Nano with BS 0xAF settings. We all know Fury and Fury X are quite close, and since Nano is so far behind Fury X here, one can suspect the Nano of falling down to GTX 980 level, perhaps slower. Which ultimately moves it towards GTX 970 ITX performance. Which cost under half the price.

AMD know the Nano is overpriced beyond almost anything out there, and try to do damage control by handpicking biased reviewers or those that doesnt make accurate graphs which is easy to conclude with, like TPU does.

We all know what you are trying to pull on us AMD. The truth will unfortunately for you come out eventually. And just like Fury X, it will be another overpriced card. Its not our fault that you decided to use HBM before yields was good enough to drive the price down. The expense should come out of your pocket, not from the customers. Ultimately the HBM didnt show much gains if any vs GDDR5 cards, so this is entirely your fault. Just like the missed GPU launch time times, the failed CPU architectures, and the reputation wrecking decision to think you could cover up the handpicking of reviewers.

 

[Xzibit]

So in other words, this is just an angry TPU rant, for not getting a card, while others have.

Not an angry rant by TPU. The post clearly states the reason they aren't getting one in the second sentence.

There won't be a Radeon R9 Nano review on TechPowerUp. AMD says that it has too few review samples for the press.

Btarunr just posed the question.

Are we sourgraping? You tell us.

The rant is by the posters.

TPU is just stating what they can provide to their community through a review.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

*not a rant* If AMD is afraid of TPU's testing methods, they should have told them so & rely on overnight IT gurus by releasing horrible results as per instructions from them (AMD) via the whatever the program they came up with, attracting a lot of gamers thinking AMD is the way to go because of botched benches stating the 970 ITX is an underpowered BS of a card not worth purchasing despite selling for half the price. Seriously... a $650 card that's relying on crapped benches aren't going to get sales from the consumers or getting a +1 from right-thinking, budget-conscious reviewers.

 

[Pill Monster]

Hilbert over at Guru3D has one, and he's the best and most impartial graphics card reviewer around IMO. If AMD were looking to avoid reviews, I doubt he'd have one.

Guru3D also has an AMD rep present who operates anywhere from 15-20 or more ghost accounts. I know this for a fact. So do the admins at G3D.. Any relevance?

 

[Frick]

Time to remove my pleasant attitude.

Thanked for the .

Anyway the constant lesson from all the crap surrounding Fiji and AMD in general is a) fanboyism sure is stupid, and b) there aren't as many fanboys as forum arguments indicates and c) omg it feels like it's been going on forever.

Guru3D also has an AMD rep present who operates anywhere from 15-20 or more ghost accounts. I know this for a fact. So do the admins at G3D.. Any relevance?

"Fact" or fact?

 

[Pill Monster]

Thanked for the .

Anyway the constant lesson from all the crap surrounding Fiji and AMD in general is a) fanboyism sure is stupid, and b) there aren't as many fanboys as forum arguments indicates and c) omg it feels like it's been going on forever.



"Fact" or fact?

I don't understand the question? If you're taking the piss I can assure you it's true. I was there for 9 years, almost became an admin. No need to say any more.

 

[Octopuss]

Guru3D also has an AMD rep present who operates anywhere from 15-20 or more ghost accounts. I know this for a fact. So do the admins at G3D.. Any relevance?

Stop sniffing that soap and reading up on chemtrails.

 

[Pill Monster]

Stop sniffing that soap and reading up on chemtrails.

That's pretty funny. What would u know...? Nothing.

Oh fwiw I did prevent you from becoming banned once, no need to say thanks.

 

[OneMoar]

could just buy one and then when it falls flat on there face give them a nice scathing

 

[Cloudfire]

I don't understand the question? If you're taking the piss I can assure you it's true. I was there for 9 years, almost became an admin. No need to say any more.

What were the content of the posts from this AMD reps multiple accounts?

Right now we have the AMDRTP cult which seems to plague the internet they seem like the biggest fanclub that exists. Members that monitor any forum and news articles, and is quick to go berzerk against any negative post toward AMD products. I bet AMD give cheap cards to these guys every now and then just to get their "protection".

AMD_Roy is the biggest joke around with his constant low blow attacks against Nvidia and reposting of any tweet from a random guy saying "Love my R7 360X, AMDRTP 4 life". That is one of the higher ups in the system and he is a clown.

 

[ensabrenoir]

.....hey Jay of Jay's Two Cents tech you-tube channel has one...... he teased and showed it at the end of the Mionix Castor video. HE HASN'T DONE A REVIEW YET though........if it gives the performance......people will buy it....however Amd's product Launch seems to be snatching defeat out of the jaws of Victory again........

 

[Phobia9651]

AMD's PR department needs to be taken out back and shot.

You've got issues... Despicable post.

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't see anything mysterious to support the correct way to deal with bad press. What is so mysterious again?
That AMD and me have the same opinion ?
Instead of blaming AMD, tell us please why or how much you receive from nvidia to keep their image up and AMD's down?

Oh fuck right off and stop pretending that you don't know what he's getting at. Whatever banhammer that TPU has is not strong enough for an acutely obstinate, inflammatory shit like you. Ain't gonna be no more painstakingly written rebuttals from myself and a lot of other users after this; you, my friend, are going to have the thread all to yourself. That other little monkey is doing just fine on my ignore list, and I can't believe that I've simply forgotten about the existence of the Ignore button since I had to deal with the other turd all those weeks ago. Good riddance. Today, I am going to take the advice that I should have listened to a long time ago.


And...I'll be back to my old self in no time.