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GDDR6 should be cheaper now; IIRC, @W1zzard estimated about $55 for 8 GB of GDDR6 around RDNA 2 launch. N5 wafer costs are probably an over estimate; they don't line up with AMD's own graphs:

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Assuming around $10 k for N7, N5 should be less than $15 k per wafer. The oft quoted costs are costs at the time of launch when Apple was the only customer. The MCDs, in particular, should be very cheap. With a defect rate of 0.09 per square cm and 37.5 mm^2 die size, the yield for each should be around 1500 per wafer. All 6 shouldn't cost more AMD than $40. With 50% gross margins, the GCD and 6 MCDs should be sold to the partners for around $300. The total board cost seems to be around the $ 500 - $ 550 mark. Shipping and the margins for retailers should allow a profitable product even at $ 800 or so.
Really? How accurate is this information @W1zzard? All articles I find point to even higher prices..

"And according to an online marketplace called Digi-Key, GDDR6 chips from Micron are now selling for around US$13-16 per GB"

 
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good show AMD but for 200 bucks I will take the 4080 nvidia's features DLSS,ray-tracing Better power efficiency,quieter card
Correct.
And it's hard for me to believe that AMD can beat the 4090 with the 7950XTX.
With deficiencies in ray-tracing (and very likely also in Content Creation), lack of DLSS, only with performance in rasterization you cannot ask for the same price for a product. My impression is that nVidia forced AMD to release a product on the market that could still be worked on.
 
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Nvidia prices have nothing to do with AMD falling to offer an RTX 4080 killer at $1000. Nvidia prices have everything to do with people willing to pay those prices. Nvidia prices have everything to do with people accusing Nvidia's competition for the prices and not Nvidia itself.

Let's say that AMD's RDNA3 was a total mess. A buggy hardware that needed new revisions to work. Nvidia comes out with the prices we see today and NO ONE was buying. I mean let's say they have managed to sell 12000 RTX 4090s instead of 120000. RTX 4090's price will have been much lower today. And without AMD's help.

And please. If you want AMD to build better products, just be also ready to buy them. Hoping AMD to build better products, so you can keep paying Nvidia, only secures one thing. More expensive GPUs in the future.
You think? Look at the 3000 cards msrp's. It's like they knew that AMD had something in store.
3070 $499 < 6800 $579
3080 $699 = 6800xt $649
3090 $1499 ≥ 6900xt/69500xt $999-$1100
 
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I am impressed, well done AMD, this is exactly what I wanted. More frames, I could care less about ray tracing.
 
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Based on the commentary that the reference 7900xtx hits the power cap and throttles, it makes me suspect that all these AIB cards with 3 8-pins and massive coolers won’t have that 6% clockspeed hit. They will probably have a factory OC on them too.
 
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I am impressed, well done AMD, this is exactly what I wanted. More frames, I could care less about ray tracing.
6800XT $650 msrp -------- 7900XTX $1000 msrp, 51% higher performance for 53% higher price. Price/performance: crapola.

Exactly the same crap nvidia did with the 4080.
And don't get me started on the 7900 XT.
 
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Once again, we see AMD hurt by their own hype.

I think it's fine that AMD offers comparable rasterizing performance to RTX 4080 at $200 less, even with poor RT performance. Not all gamers need RT performance yet, so it's fine to let each buyer decide which is best for them. My only objection here is the price of both, $800 for RTX 4080 and $700 for RX 7900 XTX would have been a more fair price.

If AMD's recent history is anything to go by, then we can expect two things:
1 - FineWine™ will make both 7900s a bit better, especially that low load power consumption;
Unfortunately, many people are still making excuses for AMD (whether it's subconscious or not).
I'm disappointed to see even this review tries to make excuses for "missing driver optimizations". This is the sort of stuff I've come to expect from the likes of Hardware Unboxed and LTT, but not TPU.
Normally, architectural changes are the first to be implemented in a new driver, normally long before engineering samples are done. The only reason to postpone implementation of a core architectural feature is if there is some issue with the hardware. So I see no reason to expect any significant change from driver updates, at least not anything to make the product compete at a higher performance tier.

If anything, we should expect AMD's launch drivers to be the most mature. Their architectural changes tend to be more conservative and the corresponding driver changes relatively minor. AMD also have far less gimmicks in their drivers.
Except for the odd bug here and there, what we see now is probably what we will see 3 and 6 months from now too.

Ah, yes, launch driver bugs; very typical of AMD. You know, more of you should be demanding “FineWine” performance at launch and not 6-12 months later.
AMD FineWine is a myth. We've heard this nonsense from the 200/300 series, 400/500 series, Vega series and so on. So many expect significant performance to be unleashed "shortly" after release, but it never happens. E.g. RX 480/580 didn't outclass GTX 1060 back in the days and it still doesn't today.
We need to judge products for what they are, not what they are portrayed as in some "fanboy utopia".

That simply means that the driver compiler is still not optimized for RDNA3 after all of this development time, and yes, it’s resource intensive, but most people base decisions on launch performance.
Driver compiler? Optimized for RDNA3?
The driver compiler is just a normal compiler, either MSVC, GCC or LLVM.
If you're thinking of the shader compiler, which is a part of the runtime driver, it must be tailored to the GPU architecture, otherwise it will simply not work.
 
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Nice, This will be my next video card.
 
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My only objection here is the price of both, $800 for RTX 4080 and $700 for RX 7900 XTX would have been a more fair price.
Finnaly someone with a bit of sense on this forum.
 
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Same performance as 4080, 8GB more VRAM, not sized as a brick, and $200 cheaper
The "brick" argument strikes again. I can assure you that the size of the GPU is not audible unlike the high-RPM motion of the fans of these cheaply-made 7900 XTX and 7900 XT reference models. $200 cheaper? It's two completely different cooling tiers, so a fair part of this amount is justified only by that - we are talking about flagship products. And then comes ray tracing, power efficiency, driver stability, and DLSS having an edge over FSR. I'm not trying to justify the high price tag of 4080 by any means, for me the asking prices of all these cards are absurd.
 
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Exactly what I expected: 4080 level performance for less money. Nice! :)

It's a shame RT performance isn't on par, though not a big deal just yet.
 

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6800XT $650 msrp -------- 7900XTX $1000 msrp, 51% higher performance for 53% higher price. Price/performance: crapola.

Exactly the same crap nvidia did with the 4080.
And don't get me started on the 7900 XT.

Have you not been to a grocery store lately? Everything has doubled in price. You are lucky its only $999, lmao.
 
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I suppose if you ignore FSR 2.0 being available to a lot of modern games and being functional, sure. No distinguishing feature there. RT perf got a nice bump, they've never quite been this close to on-par even in optimized games.
This is completely incorrect. Look at RT data again. The relative RT vs non-RT performance changed only marginally from the previous generation, both for AMD and NVIDIA. The only GPU that shows what we can call a slight generational improvement in RT vs non-RT is RTX 4090, so we could say that AMD is now lagging behind even more.
 
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Have you not been to a grocery store lately? Everything has doubled in price. You are lucky its only $999, lmao.

That's not entirely true. Not everything has doubled. Somethings haven't gone up much while others have nearly quadrupled.
Ground turkey - almost priced the same as it was 2 years ago (the price moved up maybe $1, give or take a little)
Eggs - around $1.25 for a dozen 2 years ago. Today, right around $4.50

I don't know what to think about GPU prices except they're too rich for my blood these days - perhaps the manufacturers think these high prices are still okay so they keep testing the water or maybe costs really have gone up that much or a mix of both?. Thankfully, all I know is that I'm not in the market for one.
 
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I don't know what to think about GPU prices except they're too rich for my blood these days - perhaps the manufacturers think these high prices are still okay so they keep testing the water or maybe costs really have gone up that much or a mix of both?. Thankfully, all I know is that I'm not in the market for one.
My favourite theory is that they are still trying to get rid of the previous generation GPUs that they couldn't sell to cryptominers. If this is actually the case prices should drop to relatively saner levels soon enough (but still higher than before the pandemic, mind you, if anything because of inflation and US-China trade wars).
 
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My favourite theory is that they are still trying to get rid of the previous generation GPUs that they couldn't sell to cryptominers. If this is actually the case prices should drop to relatively saner levels soon enough (but still higher than before the pandemic, mind you, if anything because of inflation and US-China trade wars).
I think that the prices drop especially for 7900XT and to a lesser extent RTX 4080, but the RTX 4090 stays close to where it is now. It has no competition and is the end game for productivity, AI learning, and servers. The only true 4K gaming offering on the market.
 
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impressive next level stuff assembly. No heatpipes inside. And factory undervolted to 0.85V, not much room for improvement there,
 
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lol...................how can you justify a $1200 gpu?, BOTH the 4080 and the 7900XTX are ripoffs. People thought 7900XTX was going to be well priced because everyone believed it would be +20% faster than the 4080.


Sorry, i'll be keeping my 6800XT for another gen i guess.
No shot, anyone actually believed this and has a rational brain.

If Nvidia or AMD release a card that is considerably faster than their competitions counter part sku you cannot expect that card to be "well priced" (whatever that means, but im assuming significantly cheaper - is $200 that?) than the counter part sku. Especially these days, neither company in their right of mind would do shit like that. No one should be surprised that either company marks their prices in such a way if their cards are reasonably competitive. People have got to have a mental divorce with the idea that AMD is the "fair/well price" company.

Both companies are bat shit insane with pricing nowadays (many factors in play here that many don't realize though).

Again, no one thought the 7900XT was going to be that much faster than the 4080 when AMD announced prices. (Or I at least hope no one did). That should have brought about way different questions and assumptions than that.
 
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Every time someone points that out you start hearing the cope brigade "oh well nvidia has the same problems (lolno)" "oh nvidia is evil" "gamers just dont care about AMD" ece.

Few are willing to admit that AMD dug that hole for themselves, starting in 2006 when they overpaid by over $2 billion for ATi, and the subsequent decade of crap drivers and poorly supported releases gained AMD the reputation of the budget brand. EVen recently we had the rDNA downlcokcing bug and the first gen APUs relying on OEMs for drivers, both of which required pressure from tech media to fix.

Also on a side note: did you know AMD still sells bulldozer chips for chromebooks? They suck, and they have that nice red AMD sticker to draw your attention to who made this slow garbage. That's helping the public image. Like you said, perception is everything, and AMD's optics have not been all that great historically speaking

What you consider the best or having some value is subjective. For those who chase high frame rates but dont use RT there are multiple high end GPUs to choose from, those who want 4k are going to need more power then 1440p, ece. There's also the angle of these high end GPUs lasting a long time, whereas mid range GPUs will need replaced more often to handle newer games at settings higher then poverty tier. Those 480s and 1060s are not holding out as well as the 1080ti in modern games, for example.

didnt you know, without black rock or Vanguard AMD would be selling the 7900xtx for $250 to compete with the $300 4090 and all CPUs would have a billion cores!

Nvidia just 2 years ago released the 1030 with DRR4 ram under the same name and everything as the 1030 GDDR5! They just did the same just like 3 weeks ago with the RTX 3060 8GB, its a cut down card from the actual 3060, but you don't have that info anywhere! They are literally selling a 3050 with the same name as a 3060!

Should I mention the dirty tactics they play on reviewers and how they try and bully them into positive reviews? Maybe we should talk about all of their naming schemes and even undercutting their AIB partners for more profits!

How about right now and their issues with the 16pin connector melting?

How about when their driver bricked people GPU's? Or the driver that had so many people unable to boot into windows?

Again ALL of the Nvidia crap and BS and incompetence or greed or scams and whatnot never gets brought up! Nvidia is literally 10x times worse than AMD in terms of bad drivers, bad products, misleading products, scams, false narratives, false advertisement, anti consumer fraud, monopolistic tendencies, etc...

And UR utter BS about $200 7900XTX is actually mentally insane, even if you measure JUST the production cost of the 7900xtx or RTX4090 just those are over $300, just the production cost! Do you forget about R&D, testing, marketing, transportation, drivers and features development, packaging, paying royalties to various groups and consortiums, profit margin leeway for AIB partners, etc...

You can NOT claim that AMD or Nvidia can sell their cards at $250, the price for 4nm and 5nm process node is extremely expensive, the nodes are new and therefore more error prone so that means less GPU's comes from a single wafer compared to a more mature process, the GPU's are generally bigger to make, etc...

Literally everything you said in your post is complete and utter FUD!
 
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I would not replace my RTX 3070 FTW3 with a 7900 XTX even if someone gave me one for free.

Thanks W1zzard for the reviews and for re-testing on Raptor Lake. I also appreciate the more detailed undervolt discussion on the overclocking page.

Unrelated: I would LOVE to see a perf/W comparison of these cards at various undervolt limits. Something like this news post from a couple weeks ago.
 
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Faster than a 4080 for less, and the raytracing is plenty good enough in the games where it doesn't murder framerate. It's about where we expected it, given that AMD's reveal last month was always going to be cherry-picked games. Performance may increase as drivers get updated for the new compiler but I don't think that matters, because if the $999 price is real, the cheapest 4080 is almost $1400 and the XTX is already faster than it today.

For the games where the 7900XTX struggles with raytracing, so do the 4080 and 3090Ti. I'm with @Wizzard here, Raytracing is the future, but for now we're all stuck in the present.
 
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