AMD RDNA3 Graphics cards are unusable

[GerKNG]

the only problem i never had is the issue that OP has.
but i can not remember a time where there were no significant issue with Radeon drivers since at least a decade. But specifically all 2024 drivers are incredibly broken.
from the top of my head:
Completely random crashes in games, general stuttering and framedrops in almost every game. EVERYTHING Raytraced is unuseable because of extreme stuttering and instability.
Frame Generation is buggy. either it does not work after using the hotkey or it does not turn off anymore (which will end in crashes after a while and a couple more attempts)
the MPO related grey screen lockup is back from 2021. if you have more than one monitor and one is beyond 240Hz you'll have completely random system lockups with a grey screen (the one that's faster than 240Hz) and a normal second monitor under 240Hz. This was fixed in late 2022/early 2023 until 24.2.1 ...
When you have a monitor with just a software toggle for freesync (most Alienware "F" Monitors) you'll have regular pale yellow flickering on the bottom half of the display.
every time LFC gets triggered on some monitors there will be a bunch of thin green, red and black vertical lines appear for a couple ms.
Clean Install/Factory Reset has been reenabled... except that it does not restart the PC and wipes everything as it should do.

This is what i experienced just in 2024 with RDNA3.
literally NONE of these bugs are a thing under Linux or with NVidia GPUs. it's just the Windows Radeon drivers.

 

[r0ach]

the only problem i never had is the issue that OP has.
but i can not remember a time where there were no significant issue with Radeon drivers since at least a decade. But specifically all 2024 drivers are incredibly broken.
from the top of my head:
Completely random crashes in games, general stuttering and framedrops in almost every game. EVERYTHING Raytraced is unuseable because of extreme stuttering and instability.
Frame Generation is buggy (either it does not work after using the hotkey or it does not turn off anymore (which will end in crashes after a while and a couple more attempts)
the MPO related grey screen lockup is back from 2021. if you have more than one monitor and one is beyond 240Hz you'll have completely random system lockups with a grey screen (the one that's faster than 240Hz) and a normal second monitor under 240Hz. This was fixed in late 2022/early 2023 until 24.2.1 ...
When you have a monitor with just a software toggle for freesync (most Alienware "F" Monitors) you'll have regular pale yellow flickering on the bottom half of the display.
every time LFC gets triggered on some monitors there will be a bunch of thin green, red and black vertical lines appear for a couple ms.
Clean Install/Factory Reset has been reenabled... except that it does not restart the PC and wipes everything as it should do.

This is what i experienced just in 2024 with RDNA3.
literally NONE of these bugs are a thing under Linux or with NVidia GPUs. it's just the Windows Radeon drivers.

It's kind of a red flag when one of the most advanced hardware reviewers on Earth (Chips and Cheese) had to connect three monitors to a 7800xt at the same time in order to get it to stop cratering to too low of a power state so that the GPU could be benched. So there's your solution to this thread...."just run three monitors, bro." Not that that won't have it's own set of problems. As for your other issues, I never had any stability issues, crashing, or anything like that in any game. I also don't use freesync, which seems to be a part of some of your issues.

 

[Konyalee]

You guys are going to need to fix the neural net that made this AI generated post calling a 400 watt GPU "cool and quiet" before it casts Chris Pratt as the lead actor in a Netflix Genghis Khan documentary. As for others saying "no issues here," it's mostly a problem at 1080p and not 1440p, which....just so happens to be the most favored resolution of competitive gaming.

Load something like Apex Legends at 1080p on the 7800xt and you'll see these ripples of tearing when panning around at certain things as it drops frames or fails to perform any type of valid frame pacing due to downclocking. Lesser pronounced but same issues in even UE4 titles like Roboquest. Then plug in a 1440p monitor to the same system and it plays about the smoothest you've ever seen. So, yea, the GPUs are usable if you can find a 1440p you like, but that only saves games that are medium load at 1080p. Low load games are likely still toast at 1440p on the stronger AMD cards, and there's just a lot of those games out there from League of Legends, to World or Warcraft, to whatever.

So you think a 400W card can’t be cool and quiet? Have you ever tried setting up custom fan curves or water cooling or enabling V-Sync, before calling somebody else an actor maybe fix your own act first.

 

[Vayra86]

You probably just have lower standards. I haven't seen things like tearing or chop on any system I run since something like the year 1999. But load up Apex Legends on a 7800xt at 1080p and you will see it. Then plug in a 1440p monitor and it's instantly gone. It's an egregious AMD power savings problem. There's probably just less shills and spammers on Guru3d because it's more common knowledge there and you don't have this wild brigade of "AMD can do nothing wrong" shill factory experience:

Downclocking of RDNA 3 vs. RDNA 2 in High-FPS Games

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*also find it kind of funny how people in that post just see it as normal as a very new card like a 6800xt dieing for no reason when Nvidia cards that are 10+ years old all over the place run like the day they were new.

Nah its not that. You either hit that specific situation / have already stacked a box of tricks on that specific situation and somehow RDNA3 chokes on it. I won't deny its a fact Nvidia cards are better at (extremely) high FPS. They're also better at managing power states, this was evident from the moment I started playing with an RDNA3 card after 15+ years of Nvidia.

But smoothness and general gaming issues I do not recognize on this card. I play at 144 FPS and haven't seen it. I wouldn't advise you to pull the 'but I'm sensitive to it, so I dó see this' card to make your point. You're one step away from nonsensical audiophile-level discussions that way

Something could also be said of the desire to run competitive online games with server tickrates of 60 max, at FPS three-four times that number. Its utterly pointless, despite popular (circlejerk) belief. 90% of those competitive online shooter-advantages are E sport placebo bullshit. Its a bit like religion, backed by elementary school 'science'.

The trajectory you're on right now is leaning heavily into overreaction. 'Unusable' kinda sets the tone for a not very nuanced discussion here, when there are thousands of happy users.

Another point of interest is that I always delay updates. Windows especially, I'm still on 10 and riding that sucker until its dead. I've dodged so many problems that way, both on Nvidia and AMD.

 

[r0ach]

Something could also be said of the desire to run competitive online games with server tickrates of 60 max, at FPS three-four times that number. Its utterly pointless

I'm not a big fan of the Blurbusters guy because he basically said something along the lines of the entire purpose of his forum is just to try and make money (that he was not making enough of running it) and was complaining sections of the forum "only made him $10 a month" and would edit my posts if I said things like DSC feel like laggy garbage to play on to try and preserve advertiser dollars for new DSC compression monitors (who the hell does things like this?), but he would probably type out at least 4 pages ridiculing you for ignoring things like scanout rate for this comment.

 

[remekra]

Nvidia has so great power management that back when I owned 3080FE, it downclocked so much that everytime I scrolled the webpage and stopped for 20-30 sec it would lag until it came back to higher clocks. And when I choose performance in the driver it run at too high clocks causing the cooler to go out of 0RPM mode.
Also SignalRGB downclocked the VRAM by couple hundred MHz had to install nvidia inspector and disable one setting so that GPU didn't think it's running some high perf workload.

Don't have those issues on 7900XTX. Therefore I shall now go and create a thread that Nvidia cards are unusable.

 

[Vayra86]

I'm not a big fan of the Blurbusters guy because he basically said something along the lines of the entire purpose of his forum is just to try and make money (that he was not making enough of running it) and was complaining sections of the forum "only made him $10 a month" and would edit my posts if I said things like DSC feel like laggy garbage to play on to try and preserve advertiser dollars for new DSC monitors (who the hell does things like this?), but he would probably type out at least 4 pages ridiculing you for ignoring things like scanout rate for this comment.

Of course, you won't find a single audiophile admitting he's an oversensitive, deluded idiot either, they rush to the defence of their illusionary perceptions too. I'm open to all of these perspectives myself having gamed competitively for about a decade, and not doing it anymore. Been down the rabbit hole and back out. The vast majority is bullshit, but bullshit sells. Its that simple, typing four pages of drivel to counteract experience is pointless.

 

[Space Lynx]

This is like telling Joe Montana maybe he should just get an office job instead. Since I don't feel like typing out all this stuff, I'll just link a post of another guy who just got done typing out the problem. All of these AMD issues have been well-known for a long time. I just thought I could defeat them by using 1440p. You either need to be living under a rock or a shill farm to deny them by now (especially on RDNA3):

there are lots of variables, that is all I was trying to say. I literally have none of the issues you have mentioned on my old 5600x3d 7900 XT rig.

I mean there are 150+ variables we could probably go down a list, I didn't mean to insult your ego. Is your motherboard BIOS up to date? Did you do a clean install of OS with latest AMD chipset, reboot, then latest AMD GPU drivers, reboot, then plug in Ethernet cable and let windows 11 update fully with a couple reboots? that's typically how I start off anyway.

 

[r0ach]

Nvidia has so great power management that back when I owned 3080FE, it downclocked so much that everytime I scrolled the webpage and stopped for 20-30 sec it would lag until it came back to higher clocks. And when I choose performance in the driver it run at too high clocks causing the cooler to go out of 0RPM mode.

#1 I'm too lazy to test right now but I think the cards still downclock with performance mode on just sitting on the desktop. But if you have something like Chromium open it stays at max clocks. Someone else can spend a few nanoseconds to test that while I go eat something because I can't remember. You can also start Chromium with --disable-gpu flag to run at lowest clock possible, but it seems to have a global effect on mouse movement even after you close the browser, which some people might dislike.

#2 Eventually everyone discovers cards over 220-250w are just bad news in general and stops buying them, so this situation probably would be fine if you just went the correct route to a 3070. The only people liking these absurd 4090 cards probably run them at low GPU usage (which Nvidia seems actually capable of doing unlike AMD) and using 1/2 or less their power draw. If they actually ran them at full usage, the room would heat up to deserts of Africa levels and they would sell the thing on Ebay.

 

[jesdals]

Well I am happy with my 7900XTX - sure this is bugs but nothing more than what seems to be from other GPU makers.

 

[r0ach]

Don't have those issues on 7900XTX. Therefore I shall now go and create a thread that Nvidia cards are unusable.

Don't forget to make one that the AMD store is also unusable. I forgot to mention I also had an RX 7600. Meet "Santosh" from AMD who says loud coil whine at idle is perfectly normal for an AMD card and there's no way you're getting an RMA.

 

[remekra]

Good luck with any AIB accepting RMA for coil whine.
The vibrations probably increase lag as well.

 

[r0ach]

Good luck with any AIB accepting RMA for coil whine.
The vibrations probably increase lag as well.

AMD outsourced their CS to the functional equivalent of an email spam farm in India and gave them instructions to aggressively deny any types of warranty issues. Whether Nvidia does similar tactics or not, I don't know, but I doubt it's as bad as old Santosh's canned responses over here.

 

[de.das.dude]

1. disable windows from updating gpu drivers automatically.
2. clean off any existing drivers.
3. install new stable drivers.
4. ??
5. Profit.

 

[r0ach]

Building a PC should be simple in the 21st century! Plug and Play - As the name suggests (connecting everything to the mobo and updating drivers and programs via the Internet). Only playing OC should be based on patience and knowledge. As I mentioned, in the 21st century, Pathfinder and Perseverance will still be selling hot dogs on Mars, but there will be problems with the drivers. And that's why I still have resistance to Amd GPUs and I want to have a 100% Amd platform.

If you go backwards in time to around 2000-2004 with single core Athlons and Pentiums, sure. Back then anyone could play at a competitive level with off the shelf hardware without even touching the BIOS or Window’s settings.

In the year 2024, you will notice things like some 1440p 240hz monitors feeling responsive while others feel bogged down because Asus decided to overload the monitor firmware with weird features nobody uses or skimped out on the MCU for the controller board. Then you try a barebones Chinese monitor and notice aim is way better on it but the LTPS thin film panel (instead of a-SI) and race to the bottom backlighting causes intense eye strain where the monitor can only be used for 15 minutes without feeling like you’re going to die.

You could be the best player on Earth right now and perform very poorly if you either can’t figure out what combination of hardware to use or essentially don’t mind wasting money buying all of it and throwing every everything that‘s not good. Simply buying the most expensive items doesn’t work either since things like DSC compression on high end monitors gives you slug cursor (I’ve used 3-4 DSC’s).

 

[Han44]

Good luck with any AIB accepting RMA for coil whine.
The vibrations probably increase lag as well.

I have looked through many websites of manufacturers describing their GPUs, on none of them there is anything about squeaking or howling coils, on the contrary, all military class components, Japanese Sp-cap, Premium 100A Power Choke, Sps Dr.MOS only Oh Oh, Great, Best, etc. ... can be replaced until it hurts. The coil itself and its operation is based on vibrations, but they are quiet (after moving the ear), not howling, this is partly the manufacturer's fault and its quality control of GPU components (coils), a simple example, I buy a card, it squeaks, I replace it with the same one and it doesn't beep? So the rest of my PC components are OK. So replacing the card should not be a consumer's problem but a manufacturer's or seller's problem.

 

[Vya Domus]

Meet "Santosh" from AMD who says loud coil whine at idle is perfectly normal for an AMD card and there's no way you're getting an RMA.

It's physically not possible for a card to have coil whine at idle, the reason coil whine happens is because the inductors vibrate when the VRMs are switching from low to high power consumption in between the times frames are rendered, the more frames the more frequent the vibrations. What you are hearing is either from something else or it's not coil whine at all. Also no one is going to accept RMAs over coil whine, good luck with that, if the coil whine was unacceptable you should have just returned it. I never had a card without coil whine, Nvidia or AMD, good luck ever finding a card that doesn't have it.

It looks like you are hardcore trolling btw.

I have looked through many websites of manufacturers describing their GPUs, on none of them there is anything about squeaking or howling coils, on the contrary, all military class components, Japanese Sp-cap, Premium 100A Power Choke, Sps Dr.MOS only Oh Oh, Great, Best, etc. ... can be replaced until it hurts. The coil itself and its operation is based on vibrations, but they are quiet (after moving the ear), not howling, this is partly the manufacturer's fault and its quality control of GPU components (coils)

The problem is the type of inductors that don't whine are not suited for high currents, GPU manufactures are making the correct choice here, choosing reliability over noise.

 

[Redwoodz]

You know AMD has a slider to set the minimum(PO) state, right?

 

[theouto]

^No idea who you are. Stop spamming thread with gibberish about an AMD problem that huge amounts of people already know about as fact.

I liked the part where you proclaim a problem specific to you as a fact of AMD GPU ownership.

my machine runs fine, btw.

 

[Onasi]

I take that back. I clicked your system specs tab and it comes up both an AMD CPU and video card and it’s called drumroll…..”the good enough.” I laughed in real life. I really did. You may now stay for comic relief.

Lemme guess, AMD CPUs are also unusable? Perhaps due to having too much input lag, a conclusion that you arrived at by testing for DPC latency, which is actually completely separate from input lag? After which you recommended everyone serious about said input lag to stay on a Windows 7 system with an older clock-locked Intel CPU?
Come on, r0ach, some of us remember you from OC.net forum days. You are an infamous person in certain circles, so don’t be too surprised when people don’t take you seriously.

 

[r0ach]

You know AMD has a slider to set the minimum(PO) state, right?

You missed the part where I explain AMD drivers are even more bloated than Nvidia now and the only way to make them bearable is by using AMD driver slimmer PLUS installing in “driver only mode” on top of that. If Nvidia ever releases a new control panel with built in web browser, encyclopedia, automatic updates, streaming, audio filtering, and so forth, they will probably go to shit as well. Nvidia will probably do it bad squared and integrate some type of tensor core powered Cortana assistant.

 

[remekra]

You missed the part where I explain AMD drivers are even more bloated than Nvidia now and the only way to make them bearable is by using AMD driver slimmer PLUS installing in “driver only mode” on top of that. If Nvidia ever releases a new control panel with built in web browser, encyclopedia, automatic updates, streaming, audio filtering, and so forth, they will probably go to shit as well.

Shhh nobody mention the new control panel from nvidia.
It really does sound like an audiophile claiming that his gold plated, quantum tunneled, antimatter suspened in vacuum cables produce better audio. But you do you.

 

[Onasi]

@remekra
Oh you sweet summer child. You have no idea.

 

[r0ach]

Shhh nobody mention the new control panel from nvidia.

It’s not exactly time to panic when you have a 2TB backlog and probably 10 years would go by if not the entirety of civilization collapsing the way things are going before you would need to upgrade a 4090 to play something anyway. I still bought a 3070 regardless because I didn’t want to be limited to the handful of 4000 series drivers of which I haven’t found one yet I like. Pickings aren’t that great for 3000 series either, but at least I found one or two pre-MPO saga drivers that cause only medium levels of disgust.

 

[remekra]

Well, that explains a lot. Good luck on your quest Roach, I shall not interfere anymore.

@remekra
Oh you sweet summer child. You have no idea.