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I'm sure many of you have seen complaints about various things concerning AMD cards before from either ultra-casuals or random nitpickers complaining about something related to GPU computing that's not even part of the card's core usage (gaming), or some other issue. Well, as some of you will recognize my username, then you'll know the only two things I care about concerning these cards is gaming use and input lag.
As a backstory, I've seen Nvidia drivers get more and more bloated by the day with increasing problems for things like input lag, and DCH drivers are just an abomination in general. So AMD drivers can't be worse, right? Well, if you don't use AMD driver slimmer, they are in fact even more bloated and worse. You can bypass this issue by using driver slimmer to remove all the asinine HDMI audio drivers and NUMEROUS other shovelwares it tries to auto-install, then after installing in "driver only mode" with no control panel you get somewhat decent mouse movement.
Now here's where the actual problems begin. If you use something like a 7800xt on a 1080p monitor, the card will rarely if ever run in P0 state, so 1080p 144hz or 240hz has weird frame dropping issues and general un-smoothness to the point where it says you have 500 FPS but it plays like 40 fps on a 60hz monitor. In real world usage, a 240hz 1080p monitor actually plays worse than a 144hz one due to this issue. The problem is SO BAD with aggressive RDNA3 power savings that low load games like League of Legends will literally semi-hard lock for a few seconds at a time. How can a company making gaming video cards not get things right for one of the most played games in the entire world? It would be like Honda designing a car that can't function on....roads.
Some of these games will play normally at 1440p instead of 1080p. Playing games like Roboquest at 1440p on a 7800xt is ultra-smooth, while doing it on 1080p is not. Same with games like Apex Legends. I couldn't find any 1440p monitors that didn't have enormous eyestrain or that I actually liked for other reasons (forced DSC mode on giving you high input lag), so had to go back to 1080p making the GPU the equivalent of a brick and sold it. Even at 1440p I'm sure these cards have issues with low load games like Battle Brothers and such (probably still issues with League there as well), and there's so many of these games that it's just not worth the hassle.
On Nvidia you just go into the control panel and set "performance mode" to solve this problem, while AMD for me wasn't usable at all without installing in "driver only mode" with no control panel, but I don't think they've ever even implemented a feature like this in the first place. Yes, yes, here is where an ultra casual or Java bootcamp user says "just use so and so 3rd party program or registry settings to try and force P0 state." #1 - things like MoreClockTool don't even work on RDNA3. #2 Win 10 is mostly not a 'tweakable' OS and using registry settings like this for whatever reason gives you unexplainable slug cursor for no reason. Example: I would love to have registry settings like "SearchOrderConfig" turned off at all times to prevent auto-driver installs, but setting it to "0" gives you more sluggish cursor movement for no reason so you just have to leave it at default like millions of other Win 10 settings.
So this is one of the dozens of factors that contribute towards making AMD cards unusable. Most are AMD's fault. Some are Windows 10's fault. They basically need a physical switch on the card itself to turn off power savings and force a locked clocks P0 state to fix this issue under all these circumstances.
As a backstory, I've seen Nvidia drivers get more and more bloated by the day with increasing problems for things like input lag, and DCH drivers are just an abomination in general. So AMD drivers can't be worse, right? Well, if you don't use AMD driver slimmer, they are in fact even more bloated and worse. You can bypass this issue by using driver slimmer to remove all the asinine HDMI audio drivers and NUMEROUS other shovelwares it tries to auto-install, then after installing in "driver only mode" with no control panel you get somewhat decent mouse movement.
Now here's where the actual problems begin. If you use something like a 7800xt on a 1080p monitor, the card will rarely if ever run in P0 state, so 1080p 144hz or 240hz has weird frame dropping issues and general un-smoothness to the point where it says you have 500 FPS but it plays like 40 fps on a 60hz monitor. In real world usage, a 240hz 1080p monitor actually plays worse than a 144hz one due to this issue. The problem is SO BAD with aggressive RDNA3 power savings that low load games like League of Legends will literally semi-hard lock for a few seconds at a time. How can a company making gaming video cards not get things right for one of the most played games in the entire world? It would be like Honda designing a car that can't function on....roads.
Some of these games will play normally at 1440p instead of 1080p. Playing games like Roboquest at 1440p on a 7800xt is ultra-smooth, while doing it on 1080p is not. Same with games like Apex Legends. I couldn't find any 1440p monitors that didn't have enormous eyestrain or that I actually liked for other reasons (forced DSC mode on giving you high input lag), so had to go back to 1080p making the GPU the equivalent of a brick and sold it. Even at 1440p I'm sure these cards have issues with low load games like Battle Brothers and such (probably still issues with League there as well), and there's so many of these games that it's just not worth the hassle.
On Nvidia you just go into the control panel and set "performance mode" to solve this problem, while AMD for me wasn't usable at all without installing in "driver only mode" with no control panel, but I don't think they've ever even implemented a feature like this in the first place. Yes, yes, here is where an ultra casual or Java bootcamp user says "just use so and so 3rd party program or registry settings to try and force P0 state." #1 - things like MoreClockTool don't even work on RDNA3. #2 Win 10 is mostly not a 'tweakable' OS and using registry settings like this for whatever reason gives you unexplainable slug cursor for no reason. Example: I would love to have registry settings like "SearchOrderConfig" turned off at all times to prevent auto-driver installs, but setting it to "0" gives you more sluggish cursor movement for no reason so you just have to leave it at default like millions of other Win 10 settings.
So this is one of the dozens of factors that contribute towards making AMD cards unusable. Most are AMD's fault. Some are Windows 10's fault. They basically need a physical switch on the card itself to turn off power savings and force a locked clocks P0 state to fix this issue under all these circumstances.