AMD Set to Extend AM4 Platform with New Ryzen 5 5600XT and 5600T Processors

[Zazigalka]

I guess releasing the same thing over and over again counts as "cpu support longevity" for AMD. At this point, it looks exactly like what intel did refreshing skylake, minus the core/thread count upgrade that 9/10 gen got

 

[StimpsonJCat]

AM4 - Now otherwise known as TSMC's dumping ground of rubbish.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I guess releasing the same thing over and over again counts as "cpu support longevity" for AMD. At this point, it looks exactly like what intel did refreshing skylake, minus the core/thread count upgrade that 9/10 gen got

I just wish that Intel 10th Gen worked on Gen 8/9 or 6/7 mobos. At least AMD tossed us that bone with the 5700X3D working on most AM4.

 

[Dragokar]

3300X was gone as soon as it was out of stock lol. I do no recall ever seeing it replenished..

Yeah and the used market isn't helping either

 

[R0H1T]

They just discontinued the 5800X3D, their most popular product in the last decade, and now they're releasing these? I can't figure out AMD's strategy sometimes.

Edit: The 5300G should have been released to the public right from the start. It would have been a great HTPC chip.


Now you can pair a 5600 XT with your 5600 XT. Brilliant!

Needs citation

The 5700x & 5800x were both more popular, although you could argue the x3d chips is the most popular "gaming" option! Also AM4 beginning(ending?) as almost with cultish/legendary status

 

[Zazigalka]

I just wish that Intel 10th Gen worked on Gen 8/9 or 6/7 mobos. At least AMD tossed us that bone with the 5700X3D working on most AM4.

Yeah, I forgot there was usual intel chipset/socket money extortion scheme involved with 8/9 gen. I'm on s1200,moved from 1150, didn't remember there was a 1155 in between skylake and comet.

 

[Random_User]

Are they trying to brake a record or something? It doesn't make sense coming out with new models that are in fact the old models.

For some reason, this indeed gets a vibe of 1600AF.

 

[TechLurker]

Now AMD should just cap it off with a 5950X3D for the fun of it, using the dual X3D-topped chiplets that they were using in their demo rig (as opposed to the 1 w/ X3D and 1 w/o X3D used on the 7950X3D). Release it in time for the 10th Anniversary of AM4 then announce that that's really it, for sure this time, for AM4.

 

[Kapone33]

3300X was gone as soon as it was out of stock lol. I do no recall ever seeing it replenished..

I think it got 1 restock for retail and that was it. I remember getting mine from Canada Computers and there were 2 left 10 minutes after the store opened. That was 3 months after the release.

 

[trsttte]

Easy reason: 5700X3D. Easier to produce, easier to sell, not that big of a performance gap for those still on AM4 to complain.

It was also probably costing them Zen4 and Zen5 sales lol

It doesn't happen often but it was a product that was simply too good

 

[720p low]

I don't see the reason for any negativity about this announcement. Aside from Windows 11 showing first-gen Ryzen the door prematurely, AM4 remains a pretty solid platform. I'm still running a board from 2017, it's still receiving BIOS updates, and I'm feeling no pressing need whatsoever to retire it. And, I like that the pool of possible processors I could use has grown as large as it has. Life is good.

 

[Melvis]

Well to me this is great as my mothers PC my old AM3 system the motherboard by the looks of things has died! and getting a second hand AM3 990FX motherboard is insanely expensive now on the second hand market! Starting at $100 and most are at $300......where I can just get a brand new AM4 Mobo for the same money starting at $99 get a new CPU a 6core 5600 lets say which now is half price at PCCG for $155 and some 16 GB DDR4 Memory for $60, like most of the AM4 5 series CPU's are literally half price now, stupid cheap! so for under $300 AUS I can upgrade her old system to AM4 which would last my mother easy another 5+ yrs. But like must of us I have got spare AM4 CPU's laying around so the Price of the CPU is 0. So thats $200 US for a platform upgrade, CPU, Mobo, RAM....pretty damn good I think!

 

[SSGBryan]

The "extension' of socket AM4 is mostly dumping old silicon that doesnt have a market anymore. Which isnt a BAD thing, per se, but when I hear "extension" I'd be more interested in zen 4 on AM4 or something.

At least we finally got a quad core? Shame most of the motherboards are not made anymore.

This forum isn't actually representative of most computer users.

There is still a market for AM4. I know I am not moving any time soon. I just purchased another x570 board (WS-x570-ACE), it has the features I am looking for (slot bifurication), which I can't find on either x670E or x870E.

Then there is the whole price of a platform jump - in my case, it is nearly $1,000. A 20% increase in performance isn't worth that to me.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

This forum isn't actually representative of most computer users.

There is still a market for AM4. I know I am not moving any time soon. I just purchased another x570 board (WS-x570-ACE), it has the features I am looking for (slot bifurication), which I can't find on either x670E or x870E.

Then there is the whole price of a platform jump - in my case, it is nearly $1,000. A 20% increase in performance isn't worth that to me.

That's exactly the problem. With Zen 5 being a dud, and also being the second to last release on AM5, makes it a bad choice to upgrade from AM4 from a value point of view. Sub DDR5 8000 is crap and offers little to no tangible benefit (excluding Intel here, as their memory controller is top-notch) over fast DDR4, with AM5 not taking advantage of its increased bandwidth due to AMD's inability to make an IO die with a decent memory controller and increased IF bandwidth.

AM6 is now my target. Getting on the first gen of that, providing AMD is still capable of increasing IPS of Zen 7. If AMD don't go down Intel's road of profit at all costs, then AM6 should be a kick-arse platform, what AM5 should have been.

 

[Kapone33]

That's exactly the problem. With Zen 5 being a dud, and also being the second to last release on AM5, makes it a bad choice to upgrade from AM4 from a value point of view. Sub DDR5 8000 is crap and offers little to no tangible benefit (excluding Intel here, as their memory controller is top-notch) over fast DDR4, with AM5 not taking advantage of its increased bandwidth due to AMD's inability to make an IO die with a decent memory controller and increased IF bandwidth.

AM6 is now my target. Getting on the first gen of that, providing AMD is still capable of increasing IPS of Zen 7. If AMD don't go down Intel's road of profit at all costs, then AM6 should be a kick-arse platform, what AM5 should have been.

It is not as bad as you claim. The same argument could have been made for AM3. People who have gone to AM5 are not disappointed in their PCs performance. X3D chips do not need fast memory and even without it still are better than Intel at Gaming. Especially when you add power draw to the equation.

 

[Wirko]

I don't see the reason for any negativity about this announcement. Aside from Windows 11 showing first-gen Ryzen the door prematurely, AM4 remains a pretty solid platform. I'm still running a board from 2017, it's still receiving BIOS updates, and I'm feeling no pressing need whatsoever to retire it. And, I like that the pool of possible processors I could use has grown as large as it has. Life is good.

Yes. I'd also add that the launch will probably not be a loud one, and the 5600T and 5300G models will target OEMs anyway.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

It is not as bad as you claim. The same argument could have been made for AM3. People who have gone to AM5 are not disappointed in their PCs performance. X3D chips do not need fast memory and even without it still are better than Intel at Gaming. Especially when you add power draw to the equation.

If I had Zen 1, I would be ecstatic to upgrade to Zen 5. That is not the case we're talking about though, is it?

Where is the value for upgrading from a 5800x3D or 5950x to Zen 5? You're looking at a major investment for 20% more perf.

 

[Kapone33]

If I had Zen 1, I would be ecstatic to upgrade to Zen 5. That is not the case we're talking about though, is it?

Where is the value for upgrading from a 5800x3D or 5950x to Zen 5? You're looking at a major investment for 20% more perf.

What was the jump from AM3 to AM4? It was not 100%. I understand the value argument but the PC is a luxury item. I could have stayed on my AM4 systems and still use them for other purposes. I CHOSE to go to AM5. Value was in buying the cheapest RAM I could. My case was a little different though. You see I bought a 4K 144hz monitor when I had my AM4. AM5 allows me to use that without turning Games to 1440P to get high frame rates. So yes I am glad I made a major investment. Plus now I have a MB that will be supported for only God knows how long.

 

[john_]

For some reason, this indeed gets a vibe of 1600AF.

1600AF was something interesting being Zen+. These new models are mostly one of the same with a different name. The only exception being 5300G because it is indeed something new. Of course if it comes out at the price of a 4600G, it would be of no interest at all.

 

[Lew Zealand]

1600AF was something interesting being Zen+.

And those 1600AFs were moody, depending on when you bought. I got an early one which was a 2590, just a hair behind a 2600 like many review samples tested. Yeah and a year later I got another which was a 1620, yeah a bit faster than stock 1600AEs but notably slower than my earlier "2590" one or a real 2600. Silicon lottery strikes again.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

What was the jump from AM3 to AM4? It was not 100%.

None, and people were pissed about it back then too.

 

[john_]

None, and people were pissed about it back then too.

It was huge. Because AMD was way behind Intel. My 6 core Thuban was more or less at the same level with an Athlon 3000G, a 2 core 4 threads Zen+ CPU. Thuban was offering better desktop experience because of the more real cores, but that Zen based Athlon could offer about the same computation power as that 6 core AM3 CPU. Bulldozer CPUs like the 8320 weren't much faster than the 6 core Thuban, because they where more or less 4 core CPUs advertised as 8 core models. They did had more extensions and some performance advantages, but not huge ones. With the first Zen AMD offered a real 8 core CPU with MultiThreading on top of that, plus a 50% IPC gain. Going from AM3 to AM4 was a no brainer and at the prices AMD was offering it's first series of Zen CPUs, not just the average consumer, but also enthusiasts and professionals where jumping to AM4. AM4 and latter Threadripper killed Intel's most expensive and profitable line of products for the average consumer/enthusiast/professional. The HEDT line of CPUs. People weren't pissed about AM4, they where ecstatic. Even Intel buyers finally seen Intel moving to more cores options, meaning even them where probably really happy to see AMD offering some real competition.

 

[Fizban]

They just discontinued the 5800X3D, their most popular product in the last decade, and now they're releasing these? I can't figure out AMD's strategy sometimes.

5800X3D discontinued is fine though, since 5700X3D wasn't discontinued to the best of my knowledge?

Because a quad-core in 2024 (12100) will offer you very marginal savings compared to a hex-core for an already compromised system.
Unless you couldn't give a single shit about longevity, multi-core performance or gaming a 12100F is a rather poor recommendation.

I'm not arguing 12100 is the goto choice or anything, but it really isn't that poor of a choice IMO.

It slightly outperforms a Ryzen 5600G with PBO enabled, despite being WAY cheaper.

 

[DaemonForce]

My last platform jumps looked like this:
Phenom II X4 955 BE (AM3)
FX-8370 (AM3+)
Ryzen 5 3600 (AM4)

This 3600 was my entry to Ryzen, coming from a FX it felt like more of a side-grade than any real world improvement, for a while.
It was necessary to dial in all the settings but there wasn't any kind of special resource allocation or magical instruction unlock.
I was going from VR gaming to VR development. Sure the framerates and frame times improved a bit and I loaded up on way more memory.
Prior to this I was purely desktop. The jump from AM3+ to AM4 was not a big deal. The jump from AM3 to AM4 was MASSIVE.
If I ever change this up in the future it's either going to be 5000 series or AM6. I have literally zero reason to move anywhere.

 

[Melvis]

The one thing I wish they would do on AM4 was to bring out a more updated powerful APU, with a RDNA GPU and I would of been over the moon! but sadly they didnt. These CPU's are cool and all for such an old Socket now but I feel a updated APU would of been better!