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AMD Socket AM5 an LGA of 1,718 Pins with DDR5 and PCIe Gen 4

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I would be surprised if pin pitch decreases. More likely package sizes will just increase.
Maybe, maybe not. More pins still means higher chance of messing it up. The only reason you don't see it on server and workstation boards that often is because normally you have at least semi-skilled people performing the assembly, all under an immense pressure of f#$%ing up very expensive board. Introduce it to gen. pop., and you get human factor in all its glory.
 

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When AMD eventually decides to start supporting PCIe 5, what will they do? Change sockets again and introduce AM5.5? No way. I'm very sure they've designed AM5 for PCIe 5.

This latest leak just indicates that the first generation of AM5 CPUs, chipsets and boards will support version 4 only.
 
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The switch to PCI-Express 5.0 may not be significant from a graphics cards perspective immediately, but paves the way for next-gen M.2 NVMe SSDs with double the transfer-rates of current drives that use PCI-Express 4.0.
Haveing gen 4 drives my self - I do find it doubtfull that 14.000MB/sek transfer rate desktop parts is high demand any time soon - 4tb drives to a affordable price though
 
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Hopefully they'll make the CPUs more secure, it's annoying to have the CPU stuck to the cooler.
Protip: Twist the heatsink/block before removing it. I learned that when I removed the stock cooler first time on my A64 15 years ago.
 
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Protip: Twist the heatsink/block before removing it. I learned that when I removed the stock cooler first time on my A64 15 years ago.
And after 15 years we still have no secure bracket for PGA CPUs.
If only there was a solution.... :wtf:
 
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I never bend any socket or CPU pin. How can anybody be so untalented?
Maybe there are people out there poking nose and eyes eveytime washing their face,
or cutting themselves everytime they use a knife.
Maybe some people do not have the ability to get in the state of being calm and just don´t break anything.
 

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Shame it's not 1717 pins. Totally nerd out to that lol.
 
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Protip: Twist the heatsink/block before removing it. I learned that when I removed the stock cooler first time on my A64 15 years ago.
And that will damage the socket on board after couple of times to the point that wont be secure and detected. I learned that with Asus A8N-Sli Deluxe being sent to RMA for using twisting method to remove CPU cooler. Better to use some heat cycle and IPA to loosen paste.
 
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And after 15 years we still have no secure bracket for PGA CPUs.
If only there was a solution.... :wtf:
Ah yeah, I saw that some time ago. Kinda weird how something like that didn't exist in P4/A64 days already, or at least I've never seen a CPU holder like that before.

And that will damage the socket on board after couple of times to the point that wont be secure and detected. I learned that with Asus A8N-Sli Deluxe being sent to RMA for using twisting method to remove CPU cooler. Better to use some heat cycle and IPA to loosen paste.
Weird as I've always heard that twisting is okay as long you use pure sense with it, not twist it with a gorilla's rage.
 
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When AMD eventually decides to start supporting PCIe 5, what will they do? Change sockets again and introduce AM5.5? No way. I'm very sure they've designed AM5 for PCIe 5.

This latest leak just indicates that the first generation of AM5 CPUs, chipsets and boards will support version 4 only.
IIRC, rumored genoa will support pcie 5, that's gonna be zen 4 epyc
 
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I never bend any socket or CPU pin. How can anybody be so untalented?
Maybe there are people out there poking nose and eyes eveytime washing their face,
or cutting themselves everytime they use a knife.
Maybe some people do not have the ability to get in the state of being calm and just don´t break anything.

You say that but damaged pins have been the number 1 issue for Intel boards for the longest time.

You can blame the user all you want but that isn't going to improve the reality of the situation. The fact of the matter is as a company if users are experiencing an issue you should seek to fix it.

Mind you there are some people who simply don't have steady hands, have a medical issues (like diabetes, lazy eye, or any form of eye giggle), or are just old. It's rather insensitive to simply discount those people as untalented.
 
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When AMD eventually decides to start supporting PCIe 5, what will they do? Change sockets again and introduce AM5.5? No way. I'm very sure they've designed AM5 for PCIe 5.

This latest leak just indicates that the first generation of AM5 CPUs, chipsets and boards will support version 4 only.
You mean how socket AM4 managed to go unchanged when moving from PCI-E 3.0 to 4.0. Gees already worrying about non-issues when it is Intel that drops a new socket every 2 years.
 
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You say that but damaged pins have been the number 1 issue for Intel boards for the longest time.

You can blame the user all you want but that isn't going to improve the reality of the situation. The fact of the matter is as a company if users are experiencing an issue you should seek to fix it.

Mind you there are some people who simply don't have steady hands, have a medical issues (like diabetes, lazy eye, or any form of eye giggle), or are just old. It's rather insensitive to simply discount those people as untalented.

If you are somehow unable to not damage pins on CPU/MOBO leave it to a shop or someone qualified to do it for you then (that goes for untalented people as well).

I really don't get all the moaning about bent pads/pins on LGA or PGA...I've removed/installed CPUs countless times without damaging any of it.
 
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Ah yeah, I saw that some time ago. Kinda weird how something like that didn't exist in P4/A64 days already, or at least I've never seen a CPU holder like that before.


Weird as I've always heard that twisting is okay as long you use pure sense with it, not twist it with a gorilla's rage.
You dont have to use gorilla rage but do it enough times(on old A8N-SLI Deluxe it was about 7-8 times) to loosen the socket. Since then I use IPA after a heat cycle to remove heatsinks.
 
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I find damaging socket pins easier. But 1718 pins on a PGA I'd probably end up messing up too.
I find it sixes either way.
 

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Pci 5 at the moment it seems pointless in the consumer market, even prosumer. There is no gpu able to saturate even the pci 3.0 16x and current nvmes offer plenty of sequential speed, random iops increase is what we need.
Even 8k uncompressed raw video cannot saturate pci 4 nvme speeds. Considering the future cost of ddr5, storage and gpu I'd rather save some money on the motherboard.
 

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Pci 5 at the moment it seems pointless in the consumer market, even prosumer. There is no gpu able to saturate even the pci 3.0 16x and current nvmes offer plenty of sequential speed, random iops increase is what we need.
Even 8k uncompressed raw video cannot saturate pci 4 nvme speeds. Considering the future cost of ddr5, storage and gpu I'd rather save some money on the motherboard.
People said the same thing about pcie4 when intel didn’t support it until 11th gen. It’s good that Intel is bringing support and hopefully amd does so sooner rather than later.
 
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They cant even come up with their own product naming scheme. :roll:
In 2001, AMD launched the Athlon XP Palomino. To counter Pentium 4, a CPU with high clock speeds but lower IPC, the XP was given model numbers based on performance that lined up with the P4's frequency. At the time, clockspeed was everything, and there was a lot of controversy around the differences in IPC. I even remember a few bad analogies being made from people trying to explain that there was more to CPU performance than clockspeeds. Something about a kid having to move his legs faster to keep up with an adult. Naming conventions pretty much stuck around with AMD ever since the Athlon XP.

Intel didn't introduce consumer CPU model numbers until around 2006 with the Pentium 4. Netburst had pretty much failed by that time, so in order to prepare us for the lower-clocked but far superior Core architecture, Pentium 4 needed to adopt lesser model numbers than Core, which was clocked lower but performed way better. I guess in a weird sense, our model numbers today are still based on Netburst.
 
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Its a shame they are gonna use PCI4, if intel does go PCI5, AMD will be under the gun to push it too.

For consumers we dont need PCI-E 5.0 really. A fully loaded Epyc in DC provides more then enough lanes, bandwidth for whatever you want to throw at it. Difficult to not max it out and still claim you dont have enough bandwidth.

PCI-E 4.0 is'nt even fully taxed; let alone PCI-E 3.0.

In 2001, AMD launched the Athlon XP Palomino. To counter Pentium 4, a CPU with high clock speeds but lower IPC, the XP was given model numbers based on performance that lined up with the P4's frequency. At the time, clockspeed was everything, and there was a lot of controversy around the differences in IPC. I even remember a few bad analogies being made from people trying to explain that there was more to CPU performance than clockspeeds. Something about a kid having to move his legs faster to keep up with an adult. Naming conventions pretty much stuck around with AMD ever since the Athlon XP.

Intel didn't introduce consumer CPU model numbers until around 2006 with the Pentium 4. Netburst had pretty much failed by that time, so in order to prepare us for the lower-clocked but far superior Core architecture, Pentium 4 needed to adopt lesser model numbers than Core, which was clocked lower but performed way better. I guess in a weird sense, our model numbers today are still based on Netburst.

The PR rating was based on AMD's own CPU's, not Intel's counterpart. If you'd buy a 1800+ or so it was guaranteed to be equal like a 1800Mhz chip.

Netburst was horrible. The A64 beat it to it while being clocked lower.
 
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Pci 5 at the moment it seems pointless in the consumer market, even prosumer. There is no gpu able to saturate even the pci 3.0 16x and current nvmes offer plenty of sequential speed, random iops increase is what we need.
Even 8k uncompressed raw video cannot saturate pci 4 nvme speeds. Considering the future cost of ddr5, storage and gpu I'd rather save some money on the motherboard.
Yeah, so let's stay with any tech for 10 years just because there is no demand for better one.

Oh, and it just so happens that there is demand! For example nvme RAID cards. 4 SSD could easily saturate all the bandwidth.
Or you could split one PCIe into few slower ones.
 
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