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AMD Spring 2022 Ryzen Desktop Processor Update Includes Six New Models Besides 5800X3D

Chrispy_ said:
Well sure, the country is the US as per the article quoting AMD's own prices in USD excluding taxes, which is the shockingly-obvious reason why I also compared the price in USD excluding taxes.

The fact that a 5600X is 260€ with tax for you or £192 with tax for me is kind of irrelevant because the article doesn't list non-US prices or include tax. AMD, Intel, and Nvidia never have and probably never will.


Only the benchmarks AMD themselves have elected to show us in their slides. The only leaks I've seen have been all over the place, inconsistent, and therefore rather dubious. It's not due to launch for another 5 weeks, and you'll be lucky if you can get hold of one, or have BIOS support for an older board on day one.

What board do you have? With an X570 board you stand a strong chance of getting 5800X3D support but you might also just be better off getting a 5900X instead for around the same price. Don't forget, AMD have officially announced that the 5800X3D isn't overclockable, so you're stuck with the default TDP and clocks. Any advantage it has over a regular 5800X will be offset by the fact that you can enable PBO+ on a regular 5800X.

AMD's own slides show a median gain of 20% vs a 5800X in the games they cherry-picked for their slides. That's literally all we have for definite at the moment, other than a launch date of 20th April.
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Thanks for the tips.

interesting

AMD Ryzen Desktop Spring Update

They claim world’s fastest now
 
Chrispy_ said:
Well sure, the country is the US as per the article quoting AMD's own prices in USD excluding taxes, which is the shockingly-obvious reason why I also compared the price in USD excluding taxes.

The fact that a 5600X is 260€ with tax for you or £192 with tax for me is kind of irrelevant because the article doesn't list non-US prices or include tax. AMD, Intel, and Nvidia never have and probably never will.


Only the benchmarks AMD themselves have elected to show us in their slides. The only leaks I've seen have been all over the place, inconsistent, and therefore rather dubious. It's not due to launch for another 5 weeks, and you'll be lucky if you can get hold of one, or have BIOS support for an older board on day one.

What board do you have? With an X570 board you stand a strong chance of getting 5800X3D support but you might also just be better off getting a 5900X instead for around the same price. Don't forget, AMD have officially announced that the 5800X3D isn't overclockable, so you're stuck with the default TDP and clocks. Any advantage it has over a regular 5800X will be offset by the fact that you can enable PBO+ on a regular 5800X.

AMD's own slides show a median gain of 20% vs a 5800X in the games they cherry-picked for their slides. That's literally all we have for definite at the moment, other than a launch date of 20th April.
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I believe that the 5800X3D being locked is a rumour; we'll know the truth soon enough. I would be very surprised if it turned out to be true; however, it may very well not reach the same clock speeds as the regular 5800X. In any case, the price of $449 is a hard pill to swallow given that the 5900X is at the same price now. It would have been better at $399.
 
AnotherReader said:
I believe that the 5800X3D being locked is a rumour; we'll know the truth soon enough. I would be very surprised if it turned out to be true; however, it may very well not reach the same clock speeds as the regular 5800X. In any case, the price of $449 is a hard pill to swallow given that the 5900X is at the same price now. It would have been better at $399.
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I guess that it's still adjustable via PBO. Just a pure guess.
 
5 o'clock Charlie said:
Well I missed that opportunity when it was 499. Oh well. Thanks.
P.S. that's expensive gift wrapping! :eek:
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Amazon is a nasty Chinese flea market dominated by scammers and fake merchandise :)
Yes, there are legitimate sellers and manufacturers on Amazon too, but they're mostly drowned out by the e-waste scams that are fake products with false advertising and fake reviews.

Iain M Banks said:
They claim world’s fastest now
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Of course they do! :)

"The world's fastest* gaming CPU"
*See Endnote R5K-107
Endnote R5K-107 says that internal games are a small selection that TPU readers will recognise as very favourable to AMD CPUs normally comprising the minority of victories Zen3 has over Alder Lake. Additionally the Alder Lake was using DDR5 which performs slightly worse in gaming than lower-latency DDR4.

Marketing departments never fail to twist the truth. I'm cautiously optimistic but let's wait for @W1zzard to test one for real.
 
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Chrispy_ said:
Amazon is a nasty Chinese flea market dominated by scammers and fake merchandise :)
Yes, there are legitimate sellers and manufacturers on Amazon too, but they're mostly drowned out by the e-waste scams that are fake products with false advertising and fake reviews.
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Agreed. I saw the 'loot box' for GPUs done by Jayz back on the 12th. Sadly, Amazon is becoming more like Alibaba, but this has been going on for some time.
 
I all ready have a 5950X and a 5600X in my pc,so I'm good.

But I am still curious to what the 3d-cashe does for the gaming performance. I mean the cashe has something to live up to, as 5800X3d is lower clocked compared to 5800X and if what I am told the 5800X3d is locked for oc, then it's a no go, even if it performance outstanding. Overclocking is part of my enjoyment with a pc.
 
Well most of the released models are competitive enough more or less depending on the model (except 4100). I guess 5700 Cezanne is going to be $249 and 5100 Cezanne $119 and probably 4700 Renoir $179? (Although the other Cezanne models are +20-25% vs Renoir prices, I don't see 4700 competing well vs 5600 at $199)
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AMD also preparing Ryzen 5700/5100 and 4700, 10 new AM4 CPUs planned in April - VideoCardz.com

AMD preparing the last batch of new Ryzen CPUs for AM4 socket The company is to launch as many as 10 new processors in April. The list of new Ryzen 5000/4000 CPUs is even larger than previously reported. According to Wccftech, AMD is also preparing Ryzen 7 5700, Ryzen 3 5100 and Ryzen 7 4700 […]
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Clear out that old inventory to make room for the 6000 series.

Now just have to hold out long enough until it's released before deciding what to buy.
 
I'm wondering whether a Ryzen 5700X would be a worthy upgrade for my current 3700X. Because I'm using a Ghost S1 the 65W TDP of the CPU is a decisive factor for me. I would assume it will be very unlikely that you can air-cool a 5800X3D with a Noctua NH-L12 in such a small case (unless perhaps you undervolt).
 
For what it's worth, AMD's own product page conflicts with the specs in the image.

For example, Ryzen 3 4100 is 4 MB cache according to the product page: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-4100

The spec sheets sent to me by suppliers also say 4 MB.
 
[XC] Oj101 said:
For what it's worth, AMD's own product page conflicts with the specs in the image.

For example, Ryzen 3 4100 is 4 MB cache according to the product page: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-4100

The spec sheets sent to me by suppliers also say 4 MB.
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4MB is L3, 6MB is L3+L2+L1, which AMD tends to list in their product overviews (and you can see in their marketing images they just say "cache", not L3). With 4 cores and 512kB L2/core, that's 6MB total (plus a few dozen kB for the L1). The table listing 8MB is wrong though, as is using "L3 cache" as the header for that column.
 
So is the 5500 just a 2600X but with a few improvements?
 
hellrazor said:
So is the 5500 just a 2600X but with a few improvements?
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"A few improvements" like a cumulative ~30% increase in IPC, sure (~15% from Zen+ to Zen2, and ~19% from Zen2 to Zen3, though this lower cache version lags behind the higher cache versions and thus sits a bit lower than their cumulative >35% improvement). It should be a decent amount faster and a lot more efficient at the same time. If my experiences with a 4650G are anything to go by, this will be a low-power powerhouse.
 
Valantar said:
4MB is L3, 6MB is L3+L2+L1, which AMD tends to list in their product overviews (and you can see in their marketing images they just say "cache", not L3). With 4 cores and 512kB L2/core, that's 6MB total (plus a few dozen kB for the L1). The table listing 8MB is wrong though, as is using "L3 cache" as the header for that column.
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Correct, it's neither L3 cache (which should be 4 MB) nor combined cache (which should be 6.25 MB, 256 KB L1 + 2 MB L2 + 4 MB L3).

All other listings are correct if they show L3 cache alone. The datasheets sent to me by distributors as well as AMD's various product pages state the following:

SKUL1L2L3Combined
5800X3D512 KB4 MB96 MB100.5 MB
5700X512 KB4 MB32 MB36.5 MB
5600384 KB3 MB32 MB35.3 MB
5500384 KB3 MB16 MB19.3 MB
4500384 MB3 MB8 MB11.3 MB
4100256 KB2 MB4 MB6.25 MB

That 4100 is looking kinda limp in the cache department (combined with only PCIe 3.0), but you'll see the cache in the image matches the L3 cache exactly with all other SKUs.

The Ryzen 5 4600G stands out for me as it is... old? I was sent specs for it a year or two ago (unless this is for retail, it was specified as OEM/SI-only back then?).
 
seth1911 said:
The 5500 159$ will be on the Level of the 12100F for 100$ in Games. ;)
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Daammn, big if true, teh entry level killer truly hits different :D
 
[XC] Oj101 said:
Correct, it's neither L3 cache (which should be 4 MB) nor combined cache (which should be 6.25 MB, 256 KB L1 + 2 MB L2 + 4 MB L3).

All other listings are correct if they show L3 cache alone. The datasheets sent to me by distributors as well as AMD's various product pages state the following:

SKUL1L2L3Combined
5800X3D512 KB4 MB96 MB100.5 MB
5700X512 KB4 MB32 MB36.5 MB
5600384 KB3 MB32 MB35.3 MB
5500384 KB3 MB16 MB19.3 MB
4500384 MB3 MB8 MB11.3 MB
4100256 KB2 MB4 MB6.25 MB

That 4100 is looking kinda limp in the cache department (combined with only PCIe 3.0), but you'll see the cache in the image matches the L3 cache exactly with all other SKUs.

The Ryzen 5 4600G stands out for me as it is... old? I was sent specs for it a year or two ago (unless this is for retail, it was specified as OEM/SI-only back then?).
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The 4000-series APUs have been OEM only up until now, with grey market sales being the only way of getting ahold of one outside of a pre-built. Seeing how Zen2 is still decently fast, it makes sense as a budget option to me - I'd rather have a cheap 6c12t APU than a 4c8t one with ~19% higher IPC at the same price. Though for AMD this is most likely driven by yields and margins - given how mature TSMC 7nm is, there likely aren't enough defective Cezanne dice to warrant a DIY model with less than 6 cores (unless they wanted to disable functioning cores, which they won't in a supply shortage). They're still producing Renoir chips, and they are smaller than Cezanne, so selling those as a budget option makes sense, and disabling functioning parts for lower end SKUs is overall cheaper.
 
Glad we're finally seeing some movement in the lower and mid-range segment from AMD. Late as it is, having more choice is always good. Until now people wanting to build a gaming or all-purpose PC on a budget were much better served by Intel's excellent i3-10100, i5-11400 and the new Alder Lake i3/i5 line.
 
[XC] Oj101 said:
Correct, it's neither L3 cache (which should be 4 MB) nor combined cache (which should be 6.25 MB, 256 KB L1 + 2 MB L2 + 4 MB L3).

All other listings are correct if they show L3 cache alone. The datasheets sent to me by distributors as well as AMD's various product pages state the following:

SKUL1L2L3Combined
5800X3D512 KB4 MB96 MB100.5 MB
5700X512 KB4 MB32 MB36.5 MB
5600384 KB3 MB32 MB35.3 MB
5500384 KB3 MB16 MB19.3 MB
4500384 MB3 MB8 MB11.3 MB
4100256 KB2 MB4 MB6.25 MB

That 4100 is looking kinda limp in the cache department (combined with only PCIe 3.0), but you'll see the cache in the image matches the L3 cache exactly with all other SKUs.

The Ryzen 5 4600G stands out for me as it is... old? I was sent specs for it a year or two ago (unless this is for retail, it was specified as OEM/SI-only back then?).
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Hi,
I really like to see what this added cache will do for amd's very high memory latency
Latency goes down with higher cache clocks so not sure if cache amount will effect it in a positive way.
 
Sry but

4100 99$
4500 129$
5500 159$
5600 199$


are absolute garbage for those prices:

Like the 4100 u get an outdated renoir which surely not compete against a 2 year old 10100F for 80$ on the 4500 its the same and its counterpart is a 2 year old 10400F for 135$.
Like a 5500 for 159$ which will be on pair on games with an 12100F for 100$.

The 5600 is the totaly hoax from Amd u could only buy the X for a long time and now u can get the X for about 200$, why should anyone take that non x for the same as release price.




Amd become from a not so bad company to a totally asshole company, even bader than intel ever was.
My First Amd was a Duron, my last is the A10 7870K.
 
seth1911 said:
Amd become from a not so bad company to a totally asshole company, even bader than intel ever was.
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I mean, I get your frustration with them abandoning the low end over the past year or two, but ... what? Like, how does this compare to literally bribing OEMs to not buy competitors' CPUs? Get some perspective, please. AMD is a profit-first corporation just like Intel, but calling them worse than Intel is ridiculous. Neither are our friends, but the scale of the assholery from each is not really comparable. (It's also a bit odd to make some kind of statement with your "last AMD chip" being .... the last generation before they became competitive again, back when they were dramatically laggint the competition? I'm all for supporting the underdog, but that's a rather strangely selective line to draw.

As for these chips specifically, I expect the 4100 to quickly match the retail pricing of the 10100F, and the same for the 4500 vs the 10400F. You're also getting drastically better efficiency with these chips compared to anything Intel 14nm. That doesn't necessarily matter much if what you're going for is a gaming build, but they do have their own advantages nevertheless. It's also entirely possible that the i3-12100F matches the 5500's gaming performance, but with 2 fewer cores it's going to lag significantly in a lot of other tasks. Horses for courses, as the saying goes. More heavily threaded tasks will prefer the higher threaded chip. But for Zen4, I hope AMD diversifies their silicon and makes a lower core count CCD as well as the high core count one, so that they can more effectively compete in the low end - at this point they're forced to use older chips for that as they would otherwise need to disable fully functioning cores on larger chips, which just doesn't make economical sense in a market where they're selling every chip they can produce.
 
Hi,
Yeah intel dropping 12900ks for 800.us before amd 3d chips is typical intel :laugh:
 
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