the reason I brought up EVE is because it's considered the most hardcore MMO out there. it has a steep learning curve but rewards players who are patient. it's a game for the intellectual.. the average age is 30 or 35. you can't win because there is no level cap. the developers allow players to pay subscription with in-game currency instead of real money and the expansions are free. you will get a rush from PvP because when you lose a ship it's gone forever. it's a true sandbox experience with risk, scamming, player driven market and other things (see below). EVE Online has outlived every MMO because it doesn't chase World of Warcraft. if you want to see what the other side of the coin looks like.. check it out.