Anyone have a SCEPTRE X20WC-Gamer?

[LonGun]

hey buddy, I know how you feel. Been there done that. the Sceptre Gamer is my first LCD monitor. Though I've used a lot of customers' ones, that's why I was being so picky getting my first LCD to replace the 17' CRT from Dell. And telll you the truth, I never regret that I got it, in fact even happy with it; because at that time neither can I spend too much on a new monitor. If we got the extra cash, then it'd be different story. Bottom line is if you ask me, I'd definately recommend it and do not think it will give you any disapointment. Alright, I'm out.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

the problem with responce time is that just like PSU specs theres no set way to rate/masure it, its why my buddys 5ms lcd ghosts like a mofo but my 16ms one dosnt ghost at all, or why those cheap shitty psu's that people buy can be rated at 800watts, if u submerge them in liquit nitrogen sure they can do 800watts .

best bet is to check out diffrent monotor brands yourself or ask people like you have, because diffrent companys rate things diffrently.

my buddy tim has 4 lcd's 1 is Samsung, but its a low end OLD model 17in, its ok but the colours are washed out, 1 is LG branded, and VERY nice, 1 is Benq and is also VERY NICE, the last ones a dell, itx exectly the same unit as the benq but it says dell on the front and the stands got silver paint on the ring at the bottem.

the LG has better responce time then the dell/benq units BUT none of them ghost at all, black to black or however you want to rate it time is steller.

he had 2 "high end" lcd's from diffrent companys but they ghosted badddddd, funny part is they where 6-8ms and the benqs are 16ms, the lg is 12ms.....but the 8s are the ones that ghosted.......wtf is that?

he sold them to his boss who just wanted them to use for server monotors and got the others(benq and dell, found out dell=benq and got one)

he stoped worrieing about "responce time" because it honestly didnt matter.

one thing you do need to worrie about tho, dvi-d vs dvi-a or vga, alwase stick with dvi-d, then set the refresh rate to your cards max(remove the check box to allow higher then driver rated) this is safe, the hz limmit is there for when the monotors are used in VGA/Analog mode, in digital mode the faster the monotor gets the data the more smoothly it can display it, im at 120hz on mine, its rated at 60hz(analog) it really does help
moving windows around i dont get taring like i do at the 60hz setting, in games things look smoother, hell if i could edit the driver to set it so 120hz was allowed in dvi-d mode i would, but i duno how to change that in the inf file.

 

[D007]

imo 20 inch is a bit much...

lol i use a 50" samsung 1080 dlp.. big is definitely better lol.. using this on silent hill 4 wolves of the pacific makes things look like your playing the hunt for red october. resolutions at 1900 x1080 or so, all max resolutions.. runs like a charm and looks stunning..

 

[SpoonMuffin]

imo 20 inch is a bit much...

go back to your 12in pos if you dont like big.


in this case bigger=better

 

[Darth_Pewee]

not to stir away, but i have used an Acer 19" for over a year now, and have had so much luck with the thing, i would buy from them again no doubt about it, truth be told i have tipped it in moving my desk at one time, did not stun the littlest bit...... just throwin my two sense out for ya....

 

[x800professor]

the problem with responce time is that just like PSU specs theres no set way to rate/masure it, its why my buddys 5ms lcd ghosts like a mofo but my 16ms one dosnt ghost at all, or why those cheap shitty psu's that people buy can be rated at 800watts, if u submerge them in liquit nitrogen sure they can do 800watts .

best bet is to check out diffrent monotor brands yourself or ask people like you have, because diffrent companys rate things diffrently.

my buddy tim has 4 lcd's 1 is Samsung, but its a low end OLD model 17in, its ok but the colours are washed out, 1 is LG branded, and VERY nice, 1 is Benq and is also VERY NICE, the last ones a dell, itx exectly the same unit as the benq but it says dell on the front and the stands got silver paint on the ring at the bottem.

the LG has better responce time then the dell/benq units BUT none of them ghost at all, black to black or however you want to rate it time is steller.

he had 2 "high end" lcd's from diffrent companys but they ghosted badddddd, funny part is they where 6-8ms and the benqs are 16ms, the lg is 12ms.....but the 8s are the ones that ghosted.......wtf is that?

he sold them to his boss who just wanted them to use for server monotors and got the others(benq and dell, found out dell=benq and got one)

he stoped worrieing about "responce time" because it honestly didnt matter.

one thing you do need to worrie about tho, dvi-d vs dvi-a or vga, alwase stick with dvi-d, then set the refresh rate to your cards max(remove the check box to allow higher then driver rated) this is safe, the hz limmit is there for when the monotors are used in VGA/Analog mode, in digital mode the faster the monotor gets the data the more smoothly it can display it, im at 120hz on mine, its rated at 60hz(analog) it really does help
moving windows around i dont get taring like i do at the 60hz setting, in games things look smoother, hell if i could edit the driver to set it so 120hz was allowed in dvi-d mode i would, but i duno how to change that in the inf file.

I know, I know. PSU thermal efficiency is certainly important. There needs to be a VESA standard for measuring response time. I'm really thinking about buying that sceptre. I can live with some backlight bleed if the image quality is as good as it is supposed to be.



By the way...when it comes to monitors - Good Bad

 

[SpoonMuffin]

i try and stick with known brands, or with brands i have heard good about, my buddy has one thats some H brand from newegg, his work has 50 of them, none have given problems, so when a friend asked about the 19in he was considering i said go for it, i mean 51 units used dayly for over a year and no problemes thats a good sign in my openion.

on the other hand ChiMei(sp) i have herd ALOT bad about, Scavar and 6 other people i know have had nothing but problems with the company, one got the extended warr thru newegg and newegg finnely just gave him another brand as well as 50% off his next order over 300$+free shiping+extras, because he had rmaed it 6 times, 20.1in chimei failed that many times......the replacment has been flawless since then, no dead pixels, no dead lines, just works good........oh and dont bother trying to conntact chimei, they dont answer the phone and their RMA page is BROKEN, fly by night or what!!!!!(newegg cant evern get ahold of them anymore)

 

[x800professor]

i try and stick with known brands, or with brands i have heard good about, my buddy has one thats some H brand from newegg, his work has 50 of them, none have given problems, so when a friend asked about the 19in he was considering i said go for it, i mean 51 units used dayly for over a year and no problemes thats a good sign in my openion.

on the other hand ChiMei(sp) i have herd ALOT bad about, Scavar and 6 other people i know have had nothing but problems with the company, one got the extended warr thru newegg and newegg finnely just gave him another brand as well as 50% off his next order over 300$+free shiping+extras, because he had rmaed it 6 times, 20.1in chimei failed that many times......the replacment has been flawless since then, no dead pixels, no dead lines, just works good........oh and dont bother trying to conntact chimei, they dont answer the phone and their RMA page is BROKEN, fly by night or what!!!!!(newegg cant evern get ahold of them anymore)

H brand...Hanns G or something like that? I haven't read too many long term good reviews of the ChiMeis. They seem to die in about a month or two. Sceptre is a reasonably well known brand. They aren't viewsonic or samsung, but they aren't ChiMei either. I have that Sceptre in my cart in newegg....and I'm debating...and debating...and debating.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

yeah, that hanns or whatever they are called(to lazy to look) they got a good price on them at the time(under 200 each for widescreen 19in units at the time was a great price)


u could alwase get the extended warr, if u dont like it send it back for something else, or ebay it, and Hanns or however they spell it seem to be nice, the base on his is a little light, but he has it GLUED to the desk anyway(he got drunk and epoxyed the base to the desk lol)
but personaly i would have just gotten a base like the one on my monotor, since they all tent to use the std mount systems u can replace the base with whatever u like.

i would like one of the mounts that attackes to the back of the desk and lets you move the monotor in every dirrection(close to you over your keyboard and such) but they are pricy and you gotta watch what brand u get some units truely suck ass, break easy, or just cant hold their possition over time, who wants their monotor moving during that 14hr gaming session?

 

[Wile E]

Well, Prof, think of it this way. You can go ahead and buy the Sceptre, and if you don't like it, you could always sell it and buy something else. It really is a good price for those specs (especially 16.7m colors), the more I think about it, the more I think it might be worth the gamble. Other than the backlight bleed on my dad's, he's had absolutely zero issues with it. No dead pixels, no ghosting or tearing, etc., etc. It's 2 or 3 years old(might even be 4yrs), and it hasn't had the slightest of issues. And in that amount of time, the company has had plenty of time to address the backlight issue. I think it's worth a shot.

 

[x800professor]

I still can't make up my mind...and I still can't find any real reviews of this monitor. Has anyone purchased this thing since the last time? For the one guy that had one, is it still working? Some people have had them start having problems within a few weeks.

 

[Wile E]

I say either the new 20" Samsung 16.7m panel, or the Scepter. I haven't really run into anything else worth looking at (for a decent price). The only others that come to mind are the Apple and Dell monitors, but they're at least twice as much.

 

[strick94u]

Scepter has been around awhile seem to be reliable.

 

[tater]

x800..i have a Sceptre X20wg-naga 20.1"
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824112006

which is like really close to the gamer one...id honestly prefer mine over that one...id give it prolly 8/10...incredibly bright clear picture..mine come with 0 dead pixels and 0 frozen pixels (that i can see..then again its 1650X1050 lol small chance youd see it)...the built in speakers are really loud...good sound and volume...(monitor has volume control too...in the form of buttons and settings like a tv)...dunno wut else to tell you....i like mine enough im gonna buy a 2nd pretty soon

CS:S, half life 2, and every single game i play are crisp clear picture quality...and i bought mine (1/8/2007 7:30:23 AM) lol....not a single problem...

 

[Wile E]

x800..i have a Sceptre X20wg-naga 20.1"
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824112006

which is like really close to the gamer one...id honestly prefer mine over that one...id give it prolly 8/10...incredibly bright clear picture..mine come with 0 dead pixels and 0 frozen pixels (that i can see..then again its 1650X1050 lol small chance youd see it)...the built in speakers are really loud...good sound and volume...(monitor has volume control too...in the form of buttons and settings like a tv)...dunno wut else to tell you....i like mine enough im gonna buy a 2nd pretty soon

There's one big difference with yours- 16.2million colors vs 16.7million colors. Which leads me to think that the gamer may be a dithered 6bit panel.

Aside from that, how's the backlight bleed? That was my primary complaint with my dad's Sceptre.

 

[tater]

i dont notice it...it comes out only slightly...it doesnt bother me enough to not buy 2nd (or refer people to buy it)

 

[Batou1986]

I would recommend buying it from a store if possible and have them hook up there display model to a real computer so u can see it with your own eyes as the in store because usually the demos that all there monitors run on are of poor quality or wrong aspect ratio and resolution.

a monitor be it crt or lcd is not worth spending money on unless your willing to make an investment other wise you gonna be stuck with something you don't like for some reason.
The big + about buying it from a store is if you get it home and find something you don't like you can return it and say it was defective or whatever and get your money back.

Myself I have a 21 inch wide screen 8ms @1680x1050 Gateway monitor that has a video chip in it so it does 1080p downscaled through it can also be set not to upscale or stretch the image to the native resolution which helps since some games BF2/2142 don't support 16:10 aspect even tho thats true hd format. Has dvi and component as well as having composite, vga and svideo inputs and hdcp support

I must say it is flawless besides one dead pixel which i hardly notice my friend bought the newer model of it which is 22 inches and he is just as impressed as i am.
Works great for xbox360 with vga cable got the dvi plugged into computer it never ghosts, like all lcd's you never will get the true blacks of a tube but you get used to it after about a month you wont even notice it.

 

[tater]

and for a monitor from a store such as b*** b** your gonna pay out the rear end for it...much cheaper to order online...newegg lets u return it within like 30 days or something if u dont like it

 

[Jawbreaker]

Hey Professor, If you do get the Sceptre Gamer, Lost back and let me know what its like...I have been debating about that freking thing for weeks lol....And I too cant make up my mind.. I know I just bought a 20.1 for someone else.. Now I cant even remember what it was. but I was impressed with its image quality, and It was only 500:1 Contrast and 16.2m Colors..I say that cause I've never used an LCD..I'm on a 19" CRT right now... But if you ask me , That Gamer is probably the best bang for the buck around..Especially since the Egg dropped the price again a week ago.. I still cant make up my friggin mind....I kow its gotta be a better monitor than what I Bought before...But... ANyway..Let us know..PLEEEAASSSEE

Jaws

 

[tater]

i done told yall that its worth your money...the naga i got was definitley worth what i payed...(nearly identicle to gamer)...

 

[Wile E]

i done told yall that its worth your money...the naga i got was definitley worth what i payed...(nearly identicle to gamer)...

While it may be worth every penny, 16.2m vs 16.7m colors isn't anywhere near identical. Especially if the extra 500,000 colors is achieved with an 8bit panel vs a dithered 6bit.

So, you make your mind up yet, Prof?

 

[x800professor]

While it may be worth every penny, 16.2m vs 16.7m colors isn't anywhere near identical. Especially if the extra 500,000 colors is achieved with an 8bit panel vs a dithered 6bit.

So, you make your mind up yet, Prof?

I'm getting close to it...the rebate ends tomorrow. I...want...that...monitor. or...do I?

 

[tater]

u do...

 

[LonGun]

I still can't make up my mind...and I still can't find any real reviews of this monitor. Has anyone purchased this thing since the last time? For the one guy that had one, is it still working? Some people have had them start having problems within a few weeks.

dude, for monitor sake, yes mine's still working!! and working great. Don't talk to me if you're not going to get it
haha just playing. Anyway, I'm still greatly using it right now. But it's up to you to get it or not. All I can say once again, it won't disapoint you. If I live next to you, I'd carry it over to you and sale you with the same price I bought + tax lol Geezz

 

[LonGun]

Oh yea, also you have 30 days to return it if you don't like it. But I highly DOUBT you will because like I said, it will not dis... ..never mind, I ain't repeating it.