• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Anyone know if Velociraptors will come in smaller (in terms of GB) sizes?

KBD

New Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
2,477 (0.40/day)
Location
The Rotten Big Apple
Processor Intel e8600 @ 4.9 Ghz
Motherboard DFI Lanparty DK X48-T2RSB Plus
Cooling Water
Memory 2GB (2 x 1GB) of Buffalo Firestix DDR2-1066
Video Card(s) MSI Radeon HD 4870 1GB OC (820/950) & tweaking
Storage 2x 74GB Velociraptors in RAID 0; 320 GB Barracuda 7200.10
Display(s) 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
Case Silverstone TJ09-BW
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Profesional
Power Supply Ultra X3 800W
Software Windows XP Pro w/ SP3
I want to get a couple of these for RAID 0, but 300GB is too much for me (not to mention pricey). Anyone know if they will come in 150, 74, 36 or any other size less than 300?
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
It's possible but I would doubt it considering their target.
It's getting harder and harder to find smaller drives, and with a price point its even harder.
 
Joined
May 20, 2004
Messages
10,487 (1.45/day)
It's possible but I would doubt it considering their target.
It's getting harder and harder to find smaller drives, and with a price point its even harder.

Considering their target? Their target is exactly the thing that doesn't require massive storage. Mostly fast Windows bootdisks and the likes. ie most people can doe fine with 36/72GB. For data storage nobody requires the low access times.
 
Joined
Oct 5, 2007
Messages
601 (0.10/day)
Location
North Carolina, USA
Processor Q6600 @ 3600mhz with 1600fsb
Motherboard Asus P5E x38
Cooling Zalman CPU, and 4x120mm fans
Memory 2 gig(2x1gig) Crucial ballistix 4gig(4x2gig) Corsair
Video Card(s) ATI 4850
Storage 150gig Raptorx/wd 320gig/2x raptor 37gig
Display(s) Samsung SnycMaster 906bw/acer 19inch
Case Lian Li PC V1000II
Audio Device(s) Creative SB X-FI
Power Supply 600w Silverstone ATX
Software vista 64, fruityloops, COD4, TF2, HL2
Benchmark Scores 15983 3dmark06
it would be awsome if you could stuff one of those things in a lappy
 
Joined
Apr 30, 2006
Messages
1,181 (0.18/day)
Processor 7900
Motherboard Rampage Apex
Cooling H115i
Memory 64GB TridentZ 3200 14-14-14-34-1T
Video Card(s) Fury X
Case Corsair 740
Audio Device(s) 8ch LPCM via HDMI to Yamaha Z7 Receiver
Power Supply Corsair AX860
Mouse G903
Keyboard G810
Software 8.1 x64
it would be awsome if you could stuff one of those things in a lappy

You easily could. They use the same 2.5in SATA connection on notebooks....only problem would be battery life. SSD would be better for a notebook IMO.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
Considering their target? Their target is exactly the thing that doesn't require massive storage. Mostly fast Windows bootdisks and the likes. ie most people can doe fine with 36/72GB. For data storage nobody requires the low access times.

It's not all about fast boot times, really 10ks don't help "that" much in boot time.....

How about people that can afford them for business, live recording and such, backup servers for people that don't want to fork money for scsi.

Cost difference for the build from a 80gb drive to a 320gb drive is next to nothing, you pay a lot of extra money for a little more money they put into it, now obviously there are lines there where the cost to build goes way up also.

But all in all considering that hard drives in everyday machines are 400-500-600gb these days..

I could see something a little smaller, maybe a 250/200, but I doubt we will see a 36/74 and probably not a 150. We will have to wait and see though.
 

KBD

New Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
2,477 (0.40/day)
Location
The Rotten Big Apple
Processor Intel e8600 @ 4.9 Ghz
Motherboard DFI Lanparty DK X48-T2RSB Plus
Cooling Water
Memory 2GB (2 x 1GB) of Buffalo Firestix DDR2-1066
Video Card(s) MSI Radeon HD 4870 1GB OC (820/950) & tweaking
Storage 2x 74GB Velociraptors in RAID 0; 320 GB Barracuda 7200.10
Display(s) 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
Case Silverstone TJ09-BW
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Profesional
Power Supply Ultra X3 800W
Software Windows XP Pro w/ SP3
too bad no one knows anything about my question. Ideally i want 2 36GB 16 MB Cache Veloci but it doesn't seem likely to me either.
 
Joined
Apr 30, 2006
Messages
1,181 (0.18/day)
Processor 7900
Motherboard Rampage Apex
Cooling H115i
Memory 64GB TridentZ 3200 14-14-14-34-1T
Video Card(s) Fury X
Case Corsair 740
Audio Device(s) 8ch LPCM via HDMI to Yamaha Z7 Receiver
Power Supply Corsair AX860
Mouse G903
Keyboard G810
Software 8.1 x64
too bad no one knows anything about my question. Ideally i want 2 36GB 16 MB Cache Veloci but it doesn't seem likely to me either.

Niko answered your question.....

Cost difference for the build from a 80gb drive to a 320gb drive is next to nothing, you pay a lot of extra money for a little more money they put into it, now obviously there are lines there where the cost to build goes way up also.

I could see something a little smaller, maybe a 250/200, but I doubt we will see a 36/74 and probably not a 150. We will have to wait and see though.

Its like you're asking for a 800MHz Core 2 Quad......Its not cost effective to make one.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
Well I didn't really answer it because I don't know.
But I can say I don't think they will make them too small because of cost/price.
 

panchoman

Sold my stars!
Joined
Jul 16, 2007
Messages
9,595 (1.58/day)
Processor Amd Athlon X2 4600+ Windsor(90nm) EE(65W) @2.9-3.0 @1.45
Motherboard Biostar Tforce [Nvidia] 550
Cooling Thermaltake Blue Orb-- bunch of other fans here and there....
Memory 2 gigs (2x1gb) of patriot ddr2 800 @ 4-4-4-12-2t
Video Card(s) Sapphire X1950pro Pci-E x16 @stock@stock on stock
Storage Seagate 7200.11 250gb Drive, WD raptors (30/40) in Raid 0
Display(s) ANCIENT 15" sony lcd, bought it when it was like 500 bucks
Case Apevia X-plorer blue/black
Audio Device(s) Onboard- Why get an sound card when you can hum??
Power Supply Antec NeoHe 550-manufactured by seasonic -replacement to the discontinued smart power series
Software Windows XP pro SP2 -- vista is still crap
my guess is no cause they use 334 gb platters so in order to do smaller sizes they'd have to lock some space (but that could be hacked so thats a bad idea) or use different platters (might deter performance, etc.)
 

KBD

New Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
2,477 (0.40/day)
Location
The Rotten Big Apple
Processor Intel e8600 @ 4.9 Ghz
Motherboard DFI Lanparty DK X48-T2RSB Plus
Cooling Water
Memory 2GB (2 x 1GB) of Buffalo Firestix DDR2-1066
Video Card(s) MSI Radeon HD 4870 1GB OC (820/950) & tweaking
Storage 2x 74GB Velociraptors in RAID 0; 320 GB Barracuda 7200.10
Display(s) 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
Case Silverstone TJ09-BW
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Profesional
Power Supply Ultra X3 800W
Software Windows XP Pro w/ SP3
Exactly, niko only speculated that it is unlikely that they will make anything smaller but no one knows anything at this point. Though what he is saying makes sense.
 
Joined
May 20, 2004
Messages
10,487 (1.45/day)
It's not all about fast boot times, really 10ks don't help "that" much in boot time.....

How about people that can afford them for business, live recording and such, backup servers for people that don't want to fork money for scsi.
Data throughput hardly is higher than with 7200 RPM disks. So I'm not sure how live recording, be it video or audio, will see any gain. What exactly do you call a backup server? If you mean data, it's more cost efficient to just have a RAID 1/5 array of large 7200RPM disks. The Raptors offer no value there.

Access times are really the key factor with Raptors, which helps with a boot disks. Which doesn't translate into just boot times.

Cost difference for the build from a 80gb drive to a 320gb drive is next to nothing, you pay a lot of extra money for a little more money they put into it, now obviously there are lines there where the cost to build goes way up also.
Yes, that's because 80GB is ancient and hardly produced anymore, if at all. Besides, you can't compare normal desktop drives to enterprise class drives or in this case the Raptors which fill a gap in between. Specially not price wise.

But all in all considering that hard drives in everyday machines are 400-500-600gb these days..
Standard desktop drives again, yes.
I could see something a little smaller, maybe a 250/200, but I doubt we will see a 36/74 and probably not a 150. We will have to wait and see though.

From 300 to 250/200, how would the platters be configured then? three 100GB platters? Doubt it. Either way 250 is impossible unless there is another platter size used, which would be rather pointless.
 
Joined
May 20, 2004
Messages
10,487 (1.45/day)
my guess is no cause they use 334 gb platters so in order to do smaller sizes they'd have to lock some space (but that could be hacked so thats a bad idea) or use different platters (might deter performance, etc.)

Care to name a previous model where you can unlock space?

Its like you're asking for a 800MHz Core 2 Quad......Its not cost effective to make one.

Why exactly is that? they make 50W quads at 2.33GHz, so at 800MHz they can go as low as ~20W, quite a nice passive chip you got there then. Think blades and embedded systems.
 
Joined
Feb 12, 2008
Messages
693 (0.12/day)
Processor AMD 8350
Motherboard Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0
Cooling Xigmatek Dark Night Night Hawk Edition
Memory 4x4GB DDR3 1600 GSkill Ripjaws CL7
Video Card(s) Gigabyte 980 Ti Xtreme Gaming OC Ed
Storage Samsung 850 Evo 500gb + WD Black 5Tb
Display(s) ASUS VG248QE 144Hz
Case White Corsair 500r
Audio Device(s) onboard
Power Supply Corsair AX860i 860W
Software Win 10 Pro 64bit
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
25 (0.00/day)
Location
Fort Collins, CO
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4
Cooling Stock
Memory Teamgroup T-Create Expert DDR4 32GB 3200MHz
Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT Gaming 12GB
Storage Samsung 1TB 990 PRO PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 2280, Silicon Power 1TB XS70 Nvme PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD
Display(s) Samsung 32" Odyssey G55A 2k@165Hz, Acer EB321HQU 32" 2k@60Hz
Case Cougar Panzer-S
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750 Gold SSR-750FX
Mouse Corsair Gaming M65 PRO
Keyboard Corsair Gaming K55
Software Win11 x64
I am super weary to even consider this drive due to the 2.5" form factor. Over the past years I've had several laptop(2.5") drives go out. Believe it's from heat and the small package it comes in. The 3.5" drives have far less of a failure rate. I currently run a 74gig(3.5") raptor and it's great. Get a bit hotter and is louder than a 7.2k RPM drive.
 

KBD

New Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2007
Messages
2,477 (0.40/day)
Location
The Rotten Big Apple
Processor Intel e8600 @ 4.9 Ghz
Motherboard DFI Lanparty DK X48-T2RSB Plus
Cooling Water
Memory 2GB (2 x 1GB) of Buffalo Firestix DDR2-1066
Video Card(s) MSI Radeon HD 4870 1GB OC (820/950) & tweaking
Storage 2x 74GB Velociraptors in RAID 0; 320 GB Barracuda 7200.10
Display(s) 22" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 2070SB
Case Silverstone TJ09-BW
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Profesional
Power Supply Ultra X3 800W
Software Windows XP Pro w/ SP3
Joined
May 20, 2004
Messages
10,487 (1.45/day)
I am super weary to even consider this drive due to the 2.5" form factor. Over the past years I've had several laptop(2.5") drives go out. Believe it's from heat and the small package it comes in. The 3.5" drives have far less of a failure rate. I currently run a 74gig(3.5") raptor and it's great. Get a bit hotter and is louder than a 7.2k RPM drive.

Savvios work fine, why wouldn't these?
 
Joined
May 29, 2008
Messages
25 (0.00/day)
Location
Fort Collins, CO
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4
Cooling Stock
Memory Teamgroup T-Create Expert DDR4 32GB 3200MHz
Video Card(s) Sapphire Pulse AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT Gaming 12GB
Storage Samsung 1TB 990 PRO PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 2280, Silicon Power 1TB XS70 Nvme PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 SSD
Display(s) Samsung 32" Odyssey G55A 2k@165Hz, Acer EB321HQU 32" 2k@60Hz
Case Cougar Panzer-S
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750 Gold SSR-750FX
Mouse Corsair Gaming M65 PRO
Keyboard Corsair Gaming K55
Software Win11 x64
Maybe I shouldn't jump to a conclusion with the WD's. All the dead one's I have are IBM and Hitachi.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
Live recording requires low access times, and I honestly doubt the new sata2 10ks will be "slightly" faster than a standard 7200rpm drive, considering the sata1 10ks keep up with them pretty well out of burst speeds.

10k's in a raid with a hardware controller are also really fast!


Nice to see some 150's, might be interested in a few of those myself, see how they perform and holdup, I think they should hold up better with the smaller diameter platters and more heatsink area.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
Savvios work fine, why wouldn't these?

On top of that, they are in a larger casing and are built for regular cases, they will cool much better and probably weight a bit more, probably better parts all together.

Notebook drives are not built the same, but this could simply be a 2.5" drive carrige for smaller platters and more heatsink.
 
Joined
May 5, 2008
Messages
3,318 (0.57/day)
Location
Dallas, Tx
Processor Intel i5-3570K @ 3.4Ghz
Motherboard Asrock LGA1155 Z77 Extreme 4
Cooling Cooler Master Evo 212
Memory 16GB (4X4) G.Skill Ripjaw 2 DDR3-1600
Video Card(s) Nvidia gForce GTX 660ti
Storage 1x Samsung 840 EVO 256GB 6Gb/s, 1x WD 500GB 6Gb/s, 1x WD 80GB 3Gb/s
Display(s) ASUS VH242H Black + 2 HP 2311x 23" LED
Case Fractal Design R4
Audio Device(s) Realtek OnBoard Both
Power Supply Cooler Master 850w
Software Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
Okay I have 2 of them and there awesome.
Now I heard that they are making Raptors that are going to be in notebooks.
But I don't think they will come out with smaller ones. If you want smaller, just get some original Raptors that are 150's.
 
Joined
May 20, 2004
Messages
10,487 (1.45/day)
On top of that, they are in a larger casing and are built for regular cases, they will cool much better and probably weight a bit more, probably better parts all together.

Notebook drives are not built the same, but this could simply be a 2.5" drive carrige for smaller platters and more heatsink.

Notebook drives are made for mobile usage. Besides, I haven't seen that many fail. I had one fail last month, it had a big dent in the cover though, might be related. Other than that I haven't seen that many fail. I see other parts of laptops fail a lot more.
 
Joined
May 20, 2004
Messages
10,487 (1.45/day)
Live recording requires low access times, and I honestly doubt the new sata2 10ks will be "slightly" faster than a standard 7200rpm drive, considering the sata1 10ks keep up with them pretty well out of burst speeds.

10k's in a raid with a hardware controller are also really fast!


Nice to see some 150's, might be interested in a few of those myself, see how they perform and holdup, I think they should hold up better with the smaller diameter platters and more heatsink area.

SATA2 offers nothing but higher burst speeds. Why would live recording require low access times? It's a constant stream of data. Have some test that shows otherwise? They're not random reads/writes.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
SATA2 offers nothing but higher burst speeds. Why would live recording require low access times? It's a constant stream of data. Have some test that shows otherwise? They're not random reads/writes.

Live recording of music and monitoring you want as low of a latency as you can possibly get, especially when you are loading many files and laying them over other files while recording. Its more really for digitaly produced music then band recording.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2006
Messages
7,704 (1.22/day)
System Name Back to Blue
Processor i9 14900k
Motherboard Asrock Z790 Nova
Cooling Corsair H150i Elite
Memory 64GB Corsair Dominator DDR5-6400 @ 6600
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 3090 Ultra FTW3
Storage 4TB WD 850x NVME, 4TB WD Black, 10TB Seagate Barracuda Pro
Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
Notebook drives are made for mobile usage. Besides, I haven't seen that many fail. I had one fail last month, it had a big dent in the cover though, might be related. Other than that I haven't seen that many fail. I see other parts of laptops fail a lot more.

I get between 2-5 a week with dead drives, and maybe 1 dead desktop drive a week... I think the main problem is people using notebooks like desktops never turning them off and always on them, laid on carpet where they can't cool very well etc.
 
Top