• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

B550 Sorta....

Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,486 (2.69/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
I found this pretty interesting.


 
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
326 (0.20/day)
Location
Nuremberg
Processor Core i7 8700K@5 GHz
Motherboard MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon
Cooling 2xEKWB Rads, EKWB Reservoir 250, Aqua Computer Kryos Next CPU Cooler, Phanteks Glacier GPU Cooler
Memory 16 GB DDR4 GSkill Trident Z 3200
Video Card(s) Asus ROG STRIX RTX 2080 O8G (GPU@2115 MHz/VRAM@7800MHz)
Storage 1x Samsung Evo 840 SSD 256, 1x WD Blue 1 TB HDD
Display(s) Asus ROG Swift PG248 1080p Display/144Hz/G-Sync
Case Fractal Design R6 with Window
Audio Device(s) Realtek onboard
Power Supply be quiet 650W Straight Power
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Cherry KB
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores FireStrike: 25953/Extreme: 13141/Ultra: 7099/TimeSpy: 11426/Superposition: 7667/CinebenchR20: 3916
The B450 did support PCIe Gen 4 in an early BIOS version but AMD wanted this support only for the new X570 chipsets ;);). Remembers me of Intel, "we need a new chipset to provide more power for our new cpus" :D
 
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,486 (2.69/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
The B450 did support PCIe Gen 4 in an early BIOS version but AMD wanted this support only for the new X570 chipsets ;);). Remembers me of Intel, "we need a new chipset to provide more power for our new cpus" :D


Yeah it definitely was a dick move.
 
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
326 (0.20/day)
Location
Nuremberg
Processor Core i7 8700K@5 GHz
Motherboard MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon
Cooling 2xEKWB Rads, EKWB Reservoir 250, Aqua Computer Kryos Next CPU Cooler, Phanteks Glacier GPU Cooler
Memory 16 GB DDR4 GSkill Trident Z 3200
Video Card(s) Asus ROG STRIX RTX 2080 O8G (GPU@2115 MHz/VRAM@7800MHz)
Storage 1x Samsung Evo 840 SSD 256, 1x WD Blue 1 TB HDD
Display(s) Asus ROG Swift PG248 1080p Display/144Hz/G-Sync
Case Fractal Design R6 with Window
Audio Device(s) Realtek onboard
Power Supply be quiet 650W Straight Power
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Cherry KB
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores FireStrike: 25953/Extreme: 13141/Ultra: 7099/TimeSpy: 11426/Superposition: 7667/CinebenchR20: 3916
Yeah it definitely was a dick move.

Especially as Steve stated, that the remaining overall system, except the PCIe Gen 4 thing, on these new B550A boards is the same as on an B450/X470 mainboard.

Ok, Buildzoid has to look for the VRM, perhaps those new boards have X570 like vrms, but I doubt...
 
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,486 (2.69/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
Especially as Steve stated, that the remaining overall system, except the PCIe Gen 4 thing, on these new B550A boards is the same as on an B450/X470 mainboard.

Ok, Buildzoid has to look for the VRM, perhaps those new boards have X570 like vrms, but I doubt...


The Vrm Actually looked pretty decent to me for a sub $80 board.... Some B450 you're lucky to even get a heatsink in that price range.
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
The B450 did support PCIe Gen 4 in an early BIOS version but AMD wanted this support only for the new X570 chipsets ;);). Remembers me of Intel, "we need a new chipset to provide more power for our new cpus" :D
MB manufacturer didnt even put 32MB BIOS chip when they knew they had to support for three generation, you expect them to make their PCI-e 3.0 tracing PCI-e 4.0 level??
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
326 (0.20/day)
Location
Nuremberg
Processor Core i7 8700K@5 GHz
Motherboard MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon
Cooling 2xEKWB Rads, EKWB Reservoir 250, Aqua Computer Kryos Next CPU Cooler, Phanteks Glacier GPU Cooler
Memory 16 GB DDR4 GSkill Trident Z 3200
Video Card(s) Asus ROG STRIX RTX 2080 O8G (GPU@2115 MHz/VRAM@7800MHz)
Storage 1x Samsung Evo 840 SSD 256, 1x WD Blue 1 TB HDD
Display(s) Asus ROG Swift PG248 1080p Display/144Hz/G-Sync
Case Fractal Design R6 with Window
Audio Device(s) Realtek onboard
Power Supply be quiet 650W Straight Power
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Cherry KB
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores FireStrike: 25953/Extreme: 13141/Ultra: 7099/TimeSpy: 11426/Superposition: 7667/CinebenchR20: 3916
The Vrm Actually looked pretty decent to me for a sub $80 board

Yeah, the heatsink looks really solid in this vid.

MB manufacturer didnt even put 32MB BIOS chip when they knew they had to supportfor three generation, you expect them to make their PCI-e 3.0 tracing PCI-e 4.0 level??

I think it depends on the manufacturer how solid they build the board. As the first coffee lake cpus came out, they said we need the Z370 chipset to support the higher power they need. But it was possible to run a coffee lake cpu on an Z170/270 mainboard with a few adaptions at the socket.

In my opinion it's mostly a money makig thing for the mainboard manufacturers...
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
I think it depends on the manufacturer how solid they build the board. As the first coffee lake cpus came out, they said we need the Z370 chipset to support the higher power they need. But it was possible to run a coffee lake cpu on an Z170/270 mainboard with a few adaptions at the socket.
Those B450 boards are as solid to run PCI-e 3.0 requires. Not more not less. Don't forget the price of B450 boards compare to Z370 board.
Also power delivery system is not the same as PCI-e trace. Power delivery dont have data integrity problem that PCI-e has.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 3, 2019
Messages
2,974 (1.77/day)
Location
Thessaloniki, Greece
System Name PC on since Aug 2019, 1st CPU R5 3600 + ASUS ROG RX580 8GB >> MSI Gaming X RX5700XT (Jan 2020)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X (July 2022), 150W PPT limit, 79C temp limit, CO -9~14
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro (Rev1.0), BIOS F37h, AGESA V2 1.2.0.B
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm Rev7 with off center mount for Ryzen, TIM: Kryonaut
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo GTZN (July 2022) 3600MHz 1.42V CL16-16-16-16-32-48 1T, tRFC:288, B-die
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX (Dec 2023) 314~465W (387W current) PowerLimit, 1060mV, Adrenalin v24.3.1
Storage Samsung NVMe: 980Pro 1TB(OS 2022), 970Pro 512GB(2019) / SATA-III: 850Pro 1TB(2015) 860Evo 1TB(2020)
Display(s) Dell Alienware AW3423DW 34" QD-OLED curved (1800R), 3440x1440 144Hz (max 175Hz) HDR1000
Case None... naked on desk
Audio Device(s) Astro A50 headset
Power Supply Corsair HX750i, 80+ Platinum, 93% (250~700W), modular, single/dual rail (switch)
Mouse Logitech MX Master (Gen1)
Keyboard Logitech G15 (Gen2) w/ LCDSirReal applet
Software Windows 11 Home 64bit (v23H2, OSB 22631.3155)
MB manufacturer didnt even put 32MB BIOS chip when they knew they had to supportfor three generation, you expect them to make their PCI-e 3.0 tracing PCI-e 4.0 level??
Those B450 boards are as solid to to run PCI-e 3.0 requires. Not more not less. Don't forget the price of B450 boards compare to Z370 board.
Also power delivery system is not the same as PCI-e trace. Power delivery dont have data integrity problem that PCI-e has.
I would agree with that and the PCI-E 4.0 tracing. It is special made tracing that needs a more clean signal. Better shielding also. Too much interference if not.

The compatibility part and that is for all...
Its not a vendor obligation to fully support the next and unknown architecture, nor AMDs to reveal what has on plan. AMD promised compatibility and has deliver.
We have seen this before 10 years ago with AM2, AM3, AM3+ CPUs that were all compatible with each other and not only with their dedicated chipsets. But not with all the new features. its the same. Nothing to complain about.
What MB vendors screw up from time to time is to fail to fully support the CPUs are suppose to support. We've seen it with few B450s and 2000 and few X570s and 3000. But I guess some boards are extreme low budget relatively to their line.
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
40,435 (6.60/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2Ă—BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
The B450 did support PCIe Gen 4 in an early BIOS version but AMD wanted this support only for the new X570 chipsets ;);). Remembers me of Intel, "we need a new chipset to provide more power for our new cpus" :D

Not all were stable with it, AMD couldn't 100% guarantee it

Yeah it definitely was a dick move.
 

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,027 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
The B450 did support PCIe Gen 4 in an early BIOS version but AMD wanted this support only for the new X570 chipsets ;);). Remembers me of Intel, "we need a new chipset to provide more power for our new cpus" :D
That's not what happened. AMD would've supported it, IF the motherboards could've meet PCIe 4.0 spec. Unfortunately, the boards weren't able to fully meet the requirements so AMD decided to pull support. This is a case of AMD not wanting to have compatibility issues or law suits when something goes wrong in the future and not a matter of them trying to force people onto the X570 platform.

MB manufacturer didnt even put 32MB BIOS chip when they knew they had to support for three generation, you expect them to make their PCI-e 3.0 tracing PCI-e 4.0 level??
And the motherboard makers were supposed to predict the increase in size of AMD's AGESA? Right...
Btw, can you give me next weeks lottery numbers?
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
And the motherboard makers were supposed to predict the increase in size of AMD's AGESA? Right...
Btw, can you give me next weeks lottery numbers?
MB maufacturer cannot predict the size of AGESA, but they can predict PCI-e 4??? :confused:
 
Joined
Jun 7, 2019
Messages
187 (0.11/day)
System Name Times Killer
Processor Rytzen 5800X3D
Motherboard ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus Wifi
Cooling Corsair H110 Extreme Performance AIO
Memory 2x 16gb G.Skill Ripjaws @ 3800Mhz 16-16-16-38
Video Card(s) Geforce RTX 3080 10gb +130/1200 / MSI RTX 3060 VENTUS 2X OC +180/+850
Storage 2 X 1TB WD blue 1X 4gb WB red 1x LG WH16NS40 16x blu-ray writer 1X 12TB WD Gold
Display(s) HP Omen X 27
Case Corsair Obsidian 750D W/ airflow kit
Audio Device(s) SoundblasterX AE-5 plus / Asus Xonar DX
Power Supply Carsair 850-M
Mouse Logitech Proteus spectrum G502
Keyboard Logitech G213 Prodigy
Software Windows 10 home

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
40,435 (6.60/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2Ă—BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
Joined
Apr 12, 2013
Messages
1,192 (0.30/day)
Processor 11700
Motherboard TUF z590
Memory G.Skill 32gb 3600mhz
Video Card(s) ROG Vega 56
Case Deepcool
Power Supply RM 850
Good vid, anyway talking about the bios rom size is there an AM4 motherboard that supports all AM4 cpus or is the rom size still to small.
 

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,027 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
MB maufacturer cannot predict the size of AGESA, but they can predict PCI-e 4??? :confused:
Eh? I never said they could predict either. Hence why the X470/B450 boards don't support it. In fact, even if they could've predicted it, at the time, there were no PCIe 4.0 compatible components, like re-drivers to fit to those boards. It's really quite hard to predict the future, but maybe your magic 8-ball does a good job?
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2017
Messages
853 (0.37/day)
Location
Asia
Processor Intel Core i5 4590
Motherboard Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3
Cooling Intel Stock Cooler
Memory 8GiB(2x4GiB) DDR3-1600 [800MHz]
Video Card(s) XFX RX 560D 4GiB
Storage Transcend SSD370S 128GB; Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB HDD
Display(s) Samsung S20D300 20" 768p TN
Case Cooler Master MasterBox E501L
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150
Power Supply Corsair VS450
Mouse A4Tech N-70FX
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores BaseMark GPU : 250 Point in HD 4600
Eh? I never said they could predict either. Hence why the X470/B450 boards don't support it. In fact, even if they could've predicted it, at the time, there were no PCIe 4.0 compatible components, like re-drivers to fit to those boards. It's really quite hard to predict the future, but maybe your magic 8-ball does a good job?
Who is bitchng about not having PCI-e 4 on X470/B450?? Certainly not me.
 

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
40,435 (6.60/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2Ă—BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
Good vid, anyway talking about the bios rom size is there an AM4 motherboard that supports all AM4 cpus or is the rom size still to small.

iirc it was msi with the romsize trouble.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,197 (4.06/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Yeah it definitely was a dick move.
It wasn't. PCIe4 was a crapshoot, depending on your mobo's wiring.
While some manufacturers felt confident enough to enable PCIe4 on some of their mobos, AMD felt having some mobos supporting PCIe4 and some not supporting it (while using the same chipset) would probably result in an uproar and chose to play it safe.

The real dick move (imho) is that between X470 and X570, the biggest difference is not the chipset at all, it's the motherboard wiring.
 
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,486 (2.69/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
It wasn't. PCIe4 was a crapshoot, depending on your mobo's wiring.
While some manufacturers felt confident enough to enable PCIe4 on some of their mobos, AMD felt having some mobos supporting PCIe4 and some not supporting it (while using the same chipset) would probably result in an uproar and chose to play it safe.

The real dick move (imho) is that between X470 and X570, the biggest difference is not the chipset at all, it's the motherboard wiring.



I mostly meant they should have never pushed a bios that supported it... Giving past b450/x470 users hope of support.
 
Joined
Feb 23, 2019
Messages
5,604 (2.99/day)
Location
Poland
Processor Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
Cooling Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE
Memory 2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3800 CL16
Video Card(s) RTX3080 Ti FE
Storage SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB
Display(s) LG 34GN850P-B
Case SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB
Audio Device(s) SoundBlaster G6 | Fidelio X2 | Sennheiser 6XX
Power Supply SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse Endgame Gear XM1R
Keyboard Wooting Two HE
Some of you are confusing facts. Nobody promised that the boards will support three generations of cpus. AMD only said that "AM4 will remain relevant until 2020".
I mostly meant they should have never pushed a bios that supported it... Giving past b450/x470 users hope of support.
Wasn't it Asus that released that bios? AMD was against this because these boards were never validated by them for gen 4 specs.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,197 (4.06/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
I mostly meant they should have never pushed a bios that supported it... Giving past b450/x470 users hope of support.
But AMD never pushed those BIOSes (it couldn't). They just released an updated AGESA version to block the feature because mobo manufacturers jumped the gun.
 
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,486 (2.69/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
But AMD never pushed those BIOSes (it couldn't). They just released an updated AGESA version to block the feature because mobo manufacturers jumped the gun.

Whether it was the mobo manufacturers or AMD it still a dick move.


I believe Asus validated multiple boards that supported it and it was even tested as working properly on their B450 Tuf before AMD was like cool story bro.
 

bug

Joined
May 22, 2015
Messages
13,197 (4.06/day)
Processor Intel i5-12600k
Motherboard Asus H670 TUF
Cooling Arctic Freezer 34
Memory 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V
Video Card(s) EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Storage 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500
Display(s) Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w
Case Raijintek Thetis
Audio Device(s) Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D
Power Supply Seasonic 620W M12
Mouse Logitech G502 Proteus Core
Keyboard G.Skill KM780R
Software Arch Linux + Win10
Whether it was the mobo manufacturers or AMD it still a dick move.
It may have been, but who are you blaming and with what? I think that's an important distinction to make.
 
Joined
Sep 10, 2018
Messages
5,486 (2.69/day)
Location
California
System Name His & Hers
Processor R7 5800X/ R9 5950X Stock
Motherboard X570 Aorus Master/ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
Cooling Corsair h150 elite/ Corsair h115i Platinum
Memory 32 GB 4x8GB 4000CL15 Trident Z Royal/ 32 GB 3200 CL14 @3800 CL16 Team T Force Nighthawk
Video Card(s) Evga FTW 3 Ultra 3080ti/ Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090
Storage lots of SSD.
Display(s) LG G2 65/LG C1 48/ LG 27GP850/ MSI 27 inch VA panel 1440p165hz
Case 011 Dynamic XL/ Phanteks Evolv X
Audio Device(s) Arctis Pro + gaming Dac/ Corsair sp 2500/ Logitech G560/Samsung Q990B
Power Supply Seasonic Ultra Prime Titanium 1000w/850w
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed/ Logitech G Pro Hero.
Keyboard Corsair K95 RGB Platinum/ Logitech G Pro
It may have been, but who are you blaming and with what? I think that's an important distinction to make.

Does it really matter what I think personally it would just be an opinion and as they say just like assholes everyone has one.

I like/support AMD a lot but between this the navi drivers and the 5600XT bios fiasco they really haven't done themselves many favors over the last 7 months regardless of who's at fault none of it looks good.
 
Top