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Yes after much debate and lack of sleep due to it,ill forget about overclocking and get a B760 board instead.

Correction: you will forget about manual overclocking, these things overclock themselves pretty well out-of-the-box anyway.

Just make sure the B760 is not too cut down for your needs. H770 is very similar to Z790, but B760 loses a few more things: https://artofpc.com/intel-700-series-motherboard-chipset-comparison/

 

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Correction: you will forget about manual overclocking, these things overclock themselves pretty well out-of-the-box anyway.

Just make sure the B760 is not too cut down for your needs. H770 is very similar to Z790, but B760 loses a few more things: https://artofpc.com/intel-700-series-motherboard-chipset-comparison/

I think Lost Troll is using the MSI B660 board for his i9 12900k cpu.I read that article last night and also saw other posts elsewhere about the H770 board not being good or something thus why i opted for the B760 board.Plus I'll only be using one M2 slot for a 1tb drive and 32gb ram with a graphics card (yet to be determined) Most of my storage are on external drives.I'm pretty basic like that.Once in awhile I do move large amounts of files to my external hard drives or between them.I see no point in buying a board with lots of extra connections.
Unless theres something else I am missing?Im open to your thoughts and appreciate your suggestion.Ill do more research tonight after work.

 

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I think Lost Troll is using the MSI B660 board for his i9 12900k cpu.I read that article last night and also saw other posts elsewhere about the H770 board not being good or something thus why i opted for the B760 board.Plus I'll only be using one M2 slot for a 1tb drive and 32gb ram with a graphics card (yet to be determined) Most of my storage are on external drives.I'm pretty basic like that.Once in awhile I do move large amounts of files to my external hard drives or between them.I see no point in buying a board with lots of extra connections.
Unless theres something else I am missing?Im open to your thoughts and appreciate your suggestion.Ill do more research tonight after work.

Don't do that. Do your own research, understand whether the supposed shortcoming matter to you or not and make a decision after that.
I am not too familiar with the 700 series, but I when I got my mobo, one difference between H670 and B660 was that H670 used PCIe 4 between CPU and chipset while B660 cut that down to PCIe 3. Not the end of the world, but since I have 4 SSDs in my system, I went for PCIe 4. Also H670 lets me at least overclock the RAM.

 

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Don't do that. Do your own research, understand whether the supposed shortcoming matter to you or not and make a decision after that.
I am not too familiar with the 700 series, but I when I got my mobo, one difference between H670 and B660 was that H670 used PCIe 4 between CPU and chipset while B660 cut that down to PCIe 3. Not the end of the world, but since I have 4 SSDs in my system, I went for PCIe 4. Also H670 lets me at least overclock the RAM.

The B660/760 and Z690/790 chipsets all use Intel's DMI interface (Direct Media Interface) that runs at 16 GT/s point-to-point DMI interface to PCH. The H660/670 use Intel's OPI interface (On Package Interface) that operates at 4 GT/s bus rate, which is slower. Intel's own documentation on it is here: HTML Data Sheet.

Also, the B660/760 motherboards do allow you to over clock your RAM as well, or at least the AsRock Steel legend and the MSI Mag Mortar did in the builds I have done with them. The OP is looking at using the B760 Steel Legend with DDR5 and will be a good starting point for his build. In my build, I used the MSI B660 Mag Mortar, and it has been grate so far with all of the changes/upgrades I have done to my system.

 

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The B660/760 and Z690/790 chipsets all use Intel's DMI interface (Direct Media Interface) that runs at 16 GT/s point-to-point DMI interface to PCH. The H660/670 use Intel's OPI interface (On Package Interface) that operates at 4 GT/s bus rate, which is slower. Intel's own documentation on it is here: 655258-010.pdf.

Also, the B660/760 motherboards do allow you to over clock your RAM as well, or at least the AsRock Steel legend and the MSI Mag Mortar did in the builds I have done with them. The OP is looking at using the B760 Steel Legend with DDR5 and will be a good starting point for his build. In my build, I used the MSI B660 Mag Mortar, and it has been grate so far with all of the changes/upgrades I have done to my system.

Looks like we're both wrong.

It's DMI 4 all over the place, but the B660 has 4 lanes vs 8 on H670. And yes, both allow memory overclocking., I stand corrected

But this isn't about H670 vs B660. I just gave a few examples to show why the OP should look at his options closer. Because I can't tell whether some difference is a deal breaker or something that he can live with. Only he would know.

(Btw you linked that file wrongly, it still points to your C drive, patta )

 

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the only H770 board we have is the Asus Prime H770-Plus D4.Which is $366.The ASRock B760M is $340.I watched a youtube vid and have read a thread here about Asus quality dropping so bad with very poor customer service.Is it a wise move to buy one of their boards with their reputation now?I'm iffy about that,to be honest.
ASRock was reported to be putting out their H770 Steel Legend but its been more than 14months now since that press release.Google doesnt show any other H770 board on the market but the Asus one.

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I'd have been interested in these 16GB variants for workstations/modelling builds as the VRAM is extremely valuable for realtime CAD work in a few of our key applications.

Puget Systems have already tested the 8GB 4060 Ti though, and the 128-bit bandwidth makes even the 8GB version useless. It's often slower than the 3060 in asset-heavy viewport tests. Not the 3060 Ti, the cheaper 3060 (which incidentally has 50% more VRAM).

At the insane asking price, I don't think I can even justify it as a cost-effective Quadro alternative. A brand-new A4000 (3070Ti with 16GB) is just a much better buy for around 60% more money, and often it'll be more than 60% better for CUDA/viewport performance. At least the 3060 12GB was a decent stand-in for expensive Quadro-tier cards where ISV support wasn't mandatory, but this 4060 Ti is so hamstrung and expensive that there's no point. Either keep buying 3060 12GB cards for half the money, or just pony up and get the A4000 anyway.

It's such a fail, I don't have my own words for it, so - to quote Puget Systems - "not recommended".

Looks like we're both wrong.

It's DMI 4 all over the place, but the B660 has 4 lanes vs 8 on H670. And yes, both allow memory overclocking., I stand corrected

But this isn't about H670 vs B660. I just gave a few examples to show why the OP should look at his options closer. Because I can't tell whether some difference is a deal breaker or something that he can live with. Only he would know.

(Btw you linked that file wrongly, it still points to your C drive, patta )

Yea it looks like it the mobile chips that use the OPI interface and the B/H chips use the DMI interface.

I also corrected the link.

 

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the only H770 board we have is the Asus Prime H770-Plus D4.Which is $366.The ASRock B760M is $340.I watched a youtube vid and have read a thread here about Asus quality dropping so bad with very poor customer service.Is it a wise move to buy one of their boards with their reputation now?I'm iffy about that,to be honest.
ASRock was reported to be putting out their H770 Steel Legend but its been more than 14months now since that press release.Google doesnt show any other H770 board on the market but the Asus one.

The very problem that I had: only the Asus that I picked and a handful of others.

And while normally a bad quality/bad support story would be off-putting, the sad truth is that you have to pick your poison. There are very few motherboard makers and all of them cut corners one way or another.

 

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The very problem that I had: only the Asus that I picked and a handful of others.

And while normally a bad quality/bad support story would be off-putting, the sad truth is that you have to pick your poison. There are very few motherboard makers and all of them cut corners one way or another.

I understand what you mean.Given the circumstances I dont think i would want to take the risk with Asus right now till they sort their side of the business.I am less inclined now to deal with rma or having to worry about my board being one of the problem ones as I do remember one of the youtubers who stopped Asus support saying some asus boards were sold with out a warranty.Dont know how that would hold up in NZ with our consumer guarantee laws but its not something I want to find out.If there were other H770 boards then I would be more than willling to look seriously into them.

 

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I understand what you mean.Given the circumstances I dont think i would want to take the risk with Asus right now till they sort their side of the business.I am less inclined now to deal with rma or having to worry about my board being one of the problem ones as I do remember one of the youtubers who stopped Asus support saying some asus boards were sold with out a warranty.Dont know how that would hold up in NZ with our consumer guarantee laws but its not something I want to find out.If there were other H770 boards then I would be more than willling to look seriously into them.

Any updates on your build?

 

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Any updates on your build?

Hi there,sorry the late reply.I had to wait for the ram which I had paid for but wasnt in stock.Got tired of waiting and got better ram.I put most of the parts in and will do more-the wiring is left.Thats the part I dread lol

 

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Just recovered from a massive migraine Im plugging the cables into the PSU (interesting that new psu slots and cables come out labelled) .I got a pcie cable but no slot for it on psu.The only slot it goes into is the CPU slots which are currently occupied (square connector on either side of the 8 pin) Cant get good info online for it.Google says to use both cpu connections for the mb so im stuck on this,do i need to use them both? I havnt decided on a graphics card but im guessing they all need a pcie connector?
PSU is Evga Supernova 850 P2

 

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The PCIe cable should plug into the ports labeled VGA since they are for powering the graphics card. If your video card has two sockets, I would use both cables that came with the supply.

I would also go to EVGA and get the user and install guides for the supply. It will have the info that you are looking for and cable information.

 

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The PCIe cable should plug into the ports labeled VGA since they are for powering the graphics card. If your video card has two sockets, I would use both cables that came with the supply.

I would also go to EVGA and get the user and install guides for the supply. It will have the info that you are looking for and cable information.

Thats what i thought too, I did try the pcie cable into the vga slot and it wouldnt fit as the pins are different.I do have two vga cables and four slots for them.
I’ll definately check for the online manual tonight after work.Its interesting theres no dedicated slot for the pcie even though one cable is provided