Benchmarks Find Intel Core i7-7700K Better Than i7-7800X for Gaming

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Yeah, nothing on the architecture level, and moving the L2/L3 cache sizes around so far seems to be counter productive in this segment. Its a clear sign that the Core arch is optimized and that's that. Improved process? That is exactly the marketing of AMD's RX580 which has higher TDP for a clock bump. That's not an improved process, it's giving it more juice and a higher TDP cap.

I agree, technically its not a straight rebrand, but this is like a new VW Golf release - you get your car lights in a different shape, they updated the styling a bit, and add a fancy letter on the back so it seems to go faster. If you pick a Diesel, you get the cheating engine for free. (Couldn't resist)

you have no idea what your talking about so please stop. Go read anandtech review before you start talking. It is really painful to your read posts.

SkylakeX is a replacement of Broadwell X not Kaby. So there are plenty of changes.

The L2/L3 was probably changed due to the server/workstation world according to anandtech since those are L2 heavy...according to them. I wouldnt know.

Go read anandtech reviews if you want to actually know something about the changes.

Right now your just spewing garbage and cluttering this thread with ignorance.

Additionally,

I find many of these review charts people post highly suspect given the lack of details and ussually I find some stupid difference that makes one process better than the other as if they purposefully did so to skew results.

I.E.
low MHz/high latency RAM
An overclock that doesn't adjust uncore or other parts that can affect results.
Pointless charts of stock speeds
Games specifically selected that they know suck for X CPU design.

On hardforum I constantly see these dumb charts toted around that have very little bit of scientific method put into them.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You misconstrue my post and seem uninformed. I speak of a mid level Lenovo laptop used primarily for school and [very] occasional gaming. It is not "super sic" by any stretch of the imagination. My point is that I can indeed game on it "just fine" with its dual core i7 proc and 950M GPU. Typically 30-40 FPS on most games at 1080p, (and even 60FPS on some like Overwatch.) Again - this is not even considered to be a gaming laptop, but it does the job, adequately.

By saying it ran "fine" I meant I have no issues playing at med to high settings at 1920x1080 with acceptable frame rates.

You see I have another rig that you might refer to as "super sic" - just take a look at my System Specs. You see I'm not one of those uninformed "people" you refer to as saying something like this all the time. I am educated, and have a very good point of reference while gaming at 4k. Can you say the same? The rig listed in my System Specs is a gaming monster and is what I game on at home. And it is a true 4k gaming rig achieving well over 60FPS on any game I am currently playing (e.g. BF1 on Ultra settings at 4k, I am getting ~70FPS).
I rarely game on that Lenovo laptop anymore since I graduated, but for a while I did fairly regularly while away from home and I had no complaints at all. And I am quite picky about how smooth a game runs and about slide-show frame rates below 30.

But why in the world would anyone want to attach a laptop such as mine to a 4k display (which has no DisplayPort output BTW)? Simply ridiculous. No claim such as that was ever made, so why would you make such a statement?

Bully for you seigfried still a pointless comment.
Step back consider your relevance to op and also consider that what you play and how well it plays on your shit ,in your consideration means nothing to this debate i Can play shit to a satisfactory level on a tablet pc ,And....???

Back on topic this is still fail , nothing bar a bios wizard or harsh oc is fixing this, people are talking about overclocking its mesh to compete, wouldn't intel have done that though if they can.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Here's a thought for future-proofers. If you want to future proof, buy a 7700K now and in the future buy another processor.

 

[NicklasAPJ]

Hahahahahahaha!!!


Yeah, how is this news??? 700 mhz clockspeed difference amd most games cant use more than 4c/8t... i guess thanks for the confirmation techspot!!

I would nerver take a 4 Core/HT today

6 Core + in 2017.

6 Core is the new sweet spot, I use easy 40-70% of my CPU 6900k @ 4.5Ghz, the system is running alot more smooth overall on my 8 core, than my 7700k.

 

[Frick]

You misconstrue my post and seem uninformed. I speak of a mid level Lenovo laptop used primarily for school and [very] occasional gaming. It is not "super sic" by any stretch of the imagination. My point is that I can indeed game on it "just fine" with its dual core i7 proc and 950M GPU. Typically 30-40 FPS on most games at 1080p, (and even 60FPS on some like Overwatch.) Again - this is not even considered to be a gaming laptop, but it does the job, adequately.

Dual core with HT. That is a pretty important distinction.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Here's a thought for future-proofers. If you want to future proof, buy a 7700K now and in the future buy another processor.

That's Future Proof for intel not the end-user.

 

[jigar2speed]

A 4.5Ghz kaby-lake quad core faster than a 4Ghz skylake six-core in gaming.

In other news, half life 3 doesn't seem to come out soon.

In other news even at 4.7GHZ Skylake is not beating Kaby Lake quad core. See again

 

[jigar2speed]

But.. but... the 6 core is more "future proof".... oh wait, that doesnt apply here because is an Intel chip, only on Ryzen

Oh manu, you trying to be funny ?? Really ??

 

[ratirt]

7700k better than 7800x Nice. Maybe its because this new mobo needs some tweaking? I bet that's the case. Some changes in the memory cache being utilized and here we go. No everybody knows what slight change makes so imagine an impact when architecture is changing.

Some said that Ryzen is a bottleneck for titan. What a crap. Same as 7800x is a bottleneck. Just because they have less FPS. That person didn't mentioned that the 7700k runs at 99% utilization while the 7800x or Ryzen hit half of 7700k's or something like that. this 7700k may have the highest FPS now. it will end up down in the dumps pretty soon especially if Intel decided to go more cores now.

 

[Melvis]

If your getting over 60FPS in most of your games who gives a F?

 

[ratirt]

If your getting over 60FPS in most of your games who gives a F?

Well I don't. but as you already know some people want to get 200fps cause it's better for some reason . Well I don't see it.

 

[JalleR]

I would nerver take a 4 Core/HT today

6 Core + in 2017.

6 Core is the new sweet spot, I use easy 40-70% of my CPU 6900k @ 4.5Ghz, the system is running alot more smooth overall on my 8 core, than my 7700k.

I guess you are not gaming... I cant really see any deference from my 4771 to my 5930K other than CPU load in games has dropped from 40 ish to 11 ish.....



Regarding the PCI lanes remember it is 2.0 VS 3.0 so even a 28 lane CPU has more bandwidth than an old 40lane..
and you have 24lanes on the chipset vs 8 on x99 that are linked with 8GT/s where x99 had "only" 5GT/s

so i dont see the big issue regarding pci lanes

 

[biffzinker]

If your getting over 60FPS in most of your games who gives a F?

How about 72 FPS as a minimum? It feels smoother to me over 60.

 

[Tomorrow]

Overcloking the mesh will not help much 2-6% at best. Still loses to 7700K:

Intel Mesh, Does Overclocking it Fix Skylake-X?

 

[Melvis]

How about 72 FPS as a minimum? It feels smoother to me over 60.

Well it is over 60FPS so I guess thats what I am saying?

Its all about the Min FPS more so then the Max and if it feels smooth, even some games at 30FPS feel smooth.

 

[Vayra86]

you have no idea what your talking about so please stop. Go read anandtech review before you start talking. It is really painful to your read posts.

SkylakeX is a replacement of Broadwell X not Kaby. So there are plenty of changes.

The L2/L3 was probably changed due to the server/workstation world according to anandtech since those are L2 heavy...according to them. I wouldnt know.

Go read anandtech reviews if you want to actually know something about the changes.

Right now your just spewing garbage and cluttering this thread with ignorance.

So you came in here just to tell me that you don't know either, but you do feel the need to post about it? Clutter?

The change in L2/L3 benefits cloud computing and in all fairness, there isn't much to see in the Anandtech article at all, beyond AVX512 being the most important reason to jump on it if you feel the need to. So far, this topic was about concluding that the changes don't really benefit a lot of typical workloads at all, contrary in fact. And the bottom line still is that 80% of the changes we see here is out of necessity, not because Core will become so much better than it was. (the mesh is a good example - needed because core counts go up and a ringbus alone wont cut it)

So there you go, any more complaints? Skylake-X still is a shit release and still is part of a dreadful platform called X299 and as far as its changes, what I've said is simply true. Its the same shit in a new package with some bandaids to keep it going, the E changed to an X to make it seem like it goes faster.

Now, I'm looking forward to your sensible contribution to this topic, as you seem to have a lot to offer so far, but got stuck at 'these look fishy' without really talking about any of the charts in this very topic. Cool.

 

[Atnevon]

its not a straight rebrand, but this is like a new VW Golf release - you get your car lights in a different shape, they updated the styling a bit

Not a bad analogy. I'd say though this is more like the 2014 vs 2017 Civic Si though. Because in this case its a whole new socket, core design, and motherboard needed to upgrade. The Civic Si went to a smaller engine, with a turbo, and in terms of numbers it didn't get much of an upgrade at all.

add a fancy letter on the back so it seems to go faster.

Did VW do this? Because there are HUGE differences between the SEL, GTI, and R for sure

 

[las]

I expect X299 / Skylake-X performance to improve over time. The platform is new. Ryzen still has many issues after almost 6 months...

That said, I have no interrest in HEDT.

I'm probably going CFL 6C/12T. Ryzen hurts my fps too much. Ryzen gaming performance is all over the place. Sometimes even Pentium/i3 beats Ryzen...

 

[Steevo]

Not a bad analogy. I'd say though this is more like the 2014 vs 2017 Civic Si though. Because in this case its a whole new socket, core design, and motherboard needed to upgrade. The Civic Si went to a smaller engine, with a turbo, and in terms of numbers it didn't get much of an upgrade at all.



Did VW do this? Because there are HUGE differences between the SEL, GTI, and R for sure

You are right, for the price serious racers but the base model and modify it from there, which is the same as a overclocker buying a good board and cheap chip and tuning it for maximum performance beyond what it was meant for with aftermarket cooling, higher speed memory etc....

 

[Th3pwn3r]

That's Future Proof for intel not the end-user.

That depends on if AMD can offer something good 10 years from now. With what is going on with Vega I can't say I have faith in them but I always hope that all companies be it AMD, Intel or Nvidia always raises the bar. I'll buy hardware from any of them if it's worth it.

 

[HanaLover]

I'm probably going CFL 6C/12T. Ryzen hurts my fps too much. Ryzen gaming performance is all over the place. Sometimes even Pentium/i3 beats Ryzen...

Ryzen hurts my fps, u mean 5-10 lower fps in some games?

 

[Fluffmeister]

All i know for sure is CPUs are really boring.

The joys of a stagnant duopoly.

 

[ratirt]

I expect X299 / Skylake-X performance to improve over time. The platform is new. Ryzen still has many issues after almost 6 months...

That said, I have no interrest in HEDT.

I'm probably going CFL 6C/12T. Ryzen hurts my fps too much. Ryzen gaming performance is all over the place. Sometimes even Pentium/i3 beats Ryzen...

Never seen Pentium or i3 doing better than ryzen. maybe in old games but that's just a guess cause like I said never seen that happening.

 

[Tomorrow]

All i know for sure is CPUs are really boring.

The joys of a stagnant duopoly.

Lol that did not take long. When Intel ruled people compained that there was monopoly. Now they complain there is duopoly.
So who exactly do you think will offer Intel and AMD the competition? ARM? VIA? Someone else? Because noone besides Intel and AMD holds the x86 license. If someone even so much as tried to make a x86 CPU without a license they would be sued to bankrupt.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Never seen Pentium or i3 doing better than ryzen. maybe in old games but that's just a guess cause like I said never seen that happening.

majority of games are single thread so if its a high clock it will do better. Out of the 1200+ games i own I doubt even 200 of them are threaded beyond 2 threads.