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BSODs from Meltdown and Spectre Firmware Updates Are Spreading Like the Plague

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Hold on, if the BSOD is from firmware, how are the older 2xxx, 3xxx etc getting issues when no bios microcode has been released to users?

Maybe they mean internal testing.
My motherboard hasn't had a BIOS update since 2012, so I'm not holding my breath for a fix for these.
So whats going on with BIOS updates for older boards? I've got everything from 1st gen through 7th here in the house (some are repair jobs, not my personal machines), and many have not had BIOS updates in years - are we really expecting companies to fire up BIOS updates for their discontinued products?

You can either do one of two things, modify and inject the micro code update to your latest bios or you can inject the updates with your kernel load when your system boots.

Check this thread out on overclock.net for a better idea.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1643053/improved-overclocking-for-haswell-with-updated-microcode-update-cpu-microcode-through-software

There are actually a bunch of threads in the cpu section going over these issues you guys mentioned.
 
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What were people expecting to happen from unmapping and remapping the kernel memory on every system call?
 
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You can either do one of two things, modify and inject the micro code update to your latest bios or you can inject the updates with your kernel load when your system boots.

Check this thread out on overclock.net for a better idea.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1643053/improved-overclocking-for-haswell-with-updated-microcode-update-cpu-microcode-through-software

There are actually a bunch of threads in the cpu section going over these issues you guys mentioned.
So in other words, the only way to get the Spectre mitigation update for older platforms (SNB/IVB) is to manually inject the updated microcode - either though a manually modified BIOS, or by injecting the update before the OS boots via the VMware driver? Neither of which are official/supported ways of getting this update? I can't imagine many people will go to the trouble of doing this, so I'm interested how these reports of SNB/IVB instability are coming out.

Thanks for the info on the VMware microcode driver though, I didn't know it existed and TBH it's pretty neat.
 
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Ignoring that, once you are infected, patching will do jack. Any ifection that takes up residence thanks to this vulnerability would be impossible to remove from the hardware if it writes itself to bios or CPU firmware, and could block future updates, leaving you with a permanently pwned system.

Part of the reason this vulnerability is so dangerous is people like you that leave their systems vulnerable. By the time you hear about widespread exploits, it will likely be too late for you.
That's why you use an antivirus and anti-malware software, which even free ones like Malwarebytes or Superantispyware are doing wonders.
 

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I will not be updating till all the metal shavings settle.
 

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Skylake here, installed the MSI microcode updated BIOS and not a single BSOD so far.
 
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Skylake here, installed the MSI microcode updated BIOS and not a single BSOD so far.
I updated a laptop and a desktop Z170 system. Not a single BSOD either. I checked over the ROG forums and there isn't a single report of a sudden new BSOD. Where are these "constant" bsods?
Perhaps this is a server thing?
 

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Every CPU Built since 1995 it's affected.
Why you lie?
AMD Ryzen is not affected from Spectre. All other AMD are affected on Spectre - Linux custom kernel only. Intel Coffee Lake and older (Intel Atom also) are affected from Meltdown and Spectre on Win, macOS and Linux.
 
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Why you lie?
AMD Ryzen is not affected from Spectre. All other AMD are affected on Spectre - Linux custom kernel only. Intel Coffee Lake and older (Intel Atom also) are affected from Meltdown and Spectre on Win, macOS and Linux.
Incorrect. ALL CPU's made since 1993 are affected, including Ryzen.
 
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Why lie Intel fanboy. You cry because Intel knew about Meltdown problem on Coffee Lake (half year) and even so, they released processors with problems.
Someone's mad..
Anyway, the Meltown flaw only affects Intel and some ARM-based micro architectures (Cortex A75 and Apple Swift, for example). On the other hand, Spectre affects basically every single Out-of-Order execution micro architecture that is based on the Tomasulo algorithm so yeah, even Ryzen CPUs are affected.
 
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This means my 100euro worth, Windows 10 shiitt Atom tablet will more slower. And also notebooks, i52400, Athlons. All will be slow. Because nobody will make any more good os for them, except Android go.
 
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This means my 100euro worth, Windows 10 shiitt Atom tablet will more slower. And also notebooks, i52400, Athlons. All will be slow. Because nobody will make any more good os for them, except Android go.
Incorrect. Most consumer systems will feel little impact from the patches. In some systems the storage performance will be affected, but the degree to which will vary from device to device and likely will not be serious enough for most end users to notice a difference.
 
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We wont know the full performance impact until all the patches are available, though Skylake and higher are supposed to only see a small performance loss, Microsoft has warned older systems may see a more significant performance decrease, and cautioned against early comparisons that test just the software patch and not the microcode update, though there is no telling if older systems will receive any update.
 
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To be completely honest, I don't feel any difference on my rig after the first Windows mitigation patch (I believe it's build number 16299.192), albeit i'm using a fairly modest Core i5 2500.
 
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