Can't wait

[waspman3372]

Really looking forward to my upgrade from an MSI 4690 to a Ryzen 5 2600. Not stopping there as I'm Upgrading the Ram from DDR3 1333 to DDR 4 3000. Curious to see the change. Video card will be going from GeForce 960 gtx to the RTX 2060 The Motherboard will be ASUS prime X470. WASP

 

[64K]

That's a major upgrade on the GPU performance. Enjoy.

 

[P4-630]

to a Ryzen 5 2600

Why not wait for Ryzen 5 3600?

 

[Vayra86]

The anticipation of a major upgrade Good things in life. Enjoy !

 

[spectatorx]

I love that feeling, waiting for all that fun which is coming so soon, yay!
And as was already mentioned, actually buying upgrade to ryzen at this very moment is not the best idea unless you really have to do this right now and can't wait any longer. Release of ryzen 3xxx series is few days away, market should react to this with lowering 1xxx and 2xxx series prices or flood of these on used market. Also from leaks ryzen 3xxx appears to be amazing but nothing confirmed, official at the moment. If you can then hold with your purchase for 2-4 weeks.

Few days ago one friend asked me about buying ryzen 2600 platform and i told him exactly the same thing and he decided to wait as he is not in much of hurry and prefers to get as best deal as possible.

 

[Tomgang]

I know the feeling about cant wait for an upgrade. I have been on Intels X58 platform for now 10 years and i am waiting for to get my dirty hands on a Ryzen 9 3950X cpu with a X570 chipsæt board. That shut be a nice upgrade from my old I7 980X CPU.

But as the other says. Wait just wait a bit longer for AMD Ryzen 3000 series. They will release on 7 Juli, so no longer than a weeks away and at that date NDA also end. That means reviews will also come this day. But for what we have seen to now Ryzen 3000 has a significant higher IPC over Ryzen 2000 series and 3600 also has a higher base and boost clock over Ryzen 5 2600 for not to forget ryzen 3000 can handle higher memory clock speed as well (3200 MHz out of boks, but around 3700 MHz shut be the sweet spot for Ryzen 3000 chips. Memory clock over 4000 MHz shut also be possible on some motherboards). Also Ryzen 3000 works in X470 and X570 chipsæt based motherboards al throw X470 chipsæt mobo will need a bios update before they can use Ryzen 3000 chips. With the better IPC gain, higher core clock and memory speed + twice as much L3 cashe as well. I will say Ryzen 3600 shut be around 20 % faster than Ryzen 2600 is.

And if you still want Ryzen 5 2600. I will still say wait as stores have a stock of Ryzen 5 2600 they would want to get rid of, so there will be a good chance that after Ryzen 3000 launch that Ryzen 5 2600 will be sold at a discount and it shut also be possible to find them on the used marked as many will be upgrading to Ryzen 3000.

You can compare spec på Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 5 3600 here.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-2600

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-3600

Also about GPU. Nvidia is just about to lauch there Super series of RTX GPU´s including a RTX 2060 super. It will have more cuda cores, more vram, higher memory broadband over RTX 2060, the down side is that RTX 2060 super will cost about 50 USD more than the normal RTX 2060. Just in case you would want a bit more powerful GPU over RTX 2060.

NVIDIA RTX Super specifications leak, RTX 2080 Super touted to be faster than the Titan Xp

The specifications and expected performance targets for the upcoming NVIDIA GeForce RTX Super series has leaked online. The Super GPUs feature upgrades to CUDA cores, memory, and clocks along with improved ray tracing performance. Specifications for the RTX 2080 Super are not yet available.

www.notebookcheck.net

NVIDIA GeForce RTX SUPER series final pricing and availability date leaked | VideoCardz.com

Featured, GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER, GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER NVIDIA GeForce RTX 20 SUPER series will be available for 399 USD NVIDIA RTX SUPER to start at 399 USD Say goodbye to three SKUs. NVIDIA has announced

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[Bill_Bright]

That's a major upgrade on the GPU performance. Enjoy.

That a total upgrade! And note with a new motherboard too, that is, in effect a new computer. And a nice one too!

Just remember, new computers typically require new Windows licenses too. OEM licenses cannot "legally" be transferred to new computers under any circumstances. So if your current license is an OEM license (and the vast majority are), make sure you included that in your budget.

 

[spectatorx]

That a total upgrade! And note with a new motherboard too, that is, in effect a new computer. And a nice one too!

Just remember, new computers typically require new Windows licenses too. OEM licenses cannot "legally" be transferred to new computers under any circumstances. So if your current license is an OEM license (and the vast majority are), make sure you included that in your budget.

Or use windows 10 enterprise trial up to 1 year on single installation, when trial ends just install trial again but of new windows 10 build. Trial can't upgrade to new build (for example from 1903 to 1909) directly via windows update so fresh install is best option.

 

[27MaD]

Why not wait for Ryzen 5 3600?

they'll go cheaper after Zen 2.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Nice upgrade...……… The thing I really like when doing a complete new build is that nervous anticipation when you feel it's all done and you plug in and turn it on for the first time...……….. will it boot to Windows?

 

[Good3alz]

That a total upgrade! And note with a new motherboard too, that is, in effect a new computer. And a nice one too!

Just remember, new computers typically require new Windows licenses too. OEM licenses cannot "legally" be transferred to new computers under any circumstances. So if your current license is an OEM license (and the vast majority are), make sure you included that in your budget.

I dunno...
If you use the same HDD and call MS say your stuff fried.. will it count?

 

[Tomgang]

Nice upgrade...……… The thing I really like when doing a complete new build is that nervous anticipation when you feel it's all done and you plug in and turn it on for the first time...……….. will it boot to Windows?

ah yes the first boot. You push the start button and it goes………..

 

[Bill_Bright]

Nice upgrade...……… The thing I really like when doing a complete new build is that nervous anticipation when you feel it's all done and you plug in and turn it on for the first time...……….. will it boot to Windows?

As a hardware guy, my nervous anticipation starts with, will it turn on??? !!! LOL

I dunno...
If you use the same HDD and call MS say your stuff fried.. will it count?

No. If you say your stuff fried when you know good and well it didn't, and instead you are building a new computer with a new motherboard, that's lying and called fraud, a criminal offense. Note I said "to be legal".

The only time you can move your drive to a new motherboard and be legal is if your old motherboard really did fry, and you are replacing it with an identical board from the same maker (or replacement board recommended by the same maker if the original is no longer available). Remember, just because you can get away with something that does not make it legal. But this is for a totally different discussion.

 

[Good3alz]

Really looking forward to my upgrade from an MSI 4690 to a Ryzen 5 2600. Not stopping there as I'm Upgrading the Ram from DDR3 1333 to DDR 4 3000. Curious to see the change. Video card will be going from GeForce 960 gtx to the RTX 2060 The Motherboard will be ASUS prime X470. WASP

Time to go buy some Rust-Oleum 7220 black
Black
TEXTURED spray paint (home depot) and do that inside of your case!
It is the same paint used in Corsair cases (well closest thing I can find).
Get a Rivet gun from HarborFreight ... drill out some rivets, paint, and put the case back together!

I use a piece of cardboard as a stand, stick about 15 rivets in the honeycomb part/end of a piece. tape them in place sticking out 1/4 inch.. and you can spray the heads black.. Black rivets

No. If you say your stuff fried when you know good and well it didn't, and instead you are building a new computer with a new motherboard, that's lying and called fraud, a criminal offense. Note I said "to be legal".

The only time you can move your drive to a new motherboard and be legal is if your old motherboard really did fry, and you are replacing it with an identical board from the same maker (or replacement board recommended by the same maker if the original is no longer available). Remember, just because you can get away with something that does not make it legal. But this is for a totally different discussion.

I didn't mean to say it that way... What I meant is, I thought your licence was for the HDD so you can rebuild your MoBo/Cpu/RAM.
I never intended to do fraud.
Personally I have yet to ever 'move' OS's.. that is why I had the question.

I KNOW you can install a new HDD.. I have done it, and called Microsoft telling them / asking them..

 

[robot zombie]

I don't really know how kosher this is... but I'm guilty of taking Windows 7 keys from old salvage machines and using them on new Windows 10 installs. When this build was new, I had a B350 mobo that had problems for a few months. I swapped it for an X370 and found my old install wasn't valid. To expect me to pay for another copy for that is ludicrous. I'm sorry. That's a total rip-off. Didn't really get my money's worth on that deal.

If it's a build for someone who's paying me then I'm not doing that, but for my own machines and maybe family, why not? Worst they can do is invalidate the installation and then you're buying a new key. I mean... my stance on it is that if they really had a problem with that, it seems like they would easily be able to stop it... right? Riiiigggghhht??? No, but really... I feel like no other software would even let you do that. It's not something you would think to do... that stuff kinda stopped being viable in the 2000's and yet here we are, approaching 2020 and you can still piggyback old Windows keys to new machines running new Windows. What's up with that, really? Do they just not care to close those massive double doors? Why make it so appealing?

Anywho... congratulations on your movement towards a new build. I think you'll really like it. *points to my specs* Killer 1080p gaming setup/solid 1440 setup. You'll be zipping along with high settings, along with a really smooth user experience and with the right cooling choices it can run much quieter than a super-powered build, while still feeling super-powered to you, being the upgrade that it is for ya. I came from a Phenom II/7950 rig to something similar and the difference was insane. Initially I grabbed an RX580, which was huge. And then the RTX 2060 was a huge upgrade from that. So even coming from your GTX 960, you'll be very pleased.

And on the upcoming stuff... yeah, the 3600 will be killer for sure and might be worth waiting for. The 2600 is still a great CPU, though. Same goes for the RTX 2060/super, though it's looking like the regular 2060 will remain the better deal. Make what you will of it. AMD's cooking-up something interesting, too. Personally I think the 2060 is going to continue to be a pretty safe buy. But I'm not basing that on hard facts, so take that as you will. Price may come down a little when the supers drop, but with Nvidia, that's not entirely guaranteed. Chances are good that the prices for the new cards will remain higher than the old ones until the old ones sell off... then maybe the new ones will come down just a little. That's thier usual shtick. With little competition they have no reason to do a fire-sale. That may change soon... time will tell. No doubt you'll find some used nilla 20-series GPUs cropping up from people jumping up... maybe not as much this time around, though.

If this setup is gonna do it for you, go ahead and pull the trigger. It'll do wonders for you. But if you can wait a little longer, I might suggest holding off until the new Ryzen line drops. Either you can get a 2600 at a better price or get something even better for about the same money you're about to pay now.

But of course you can always wait... to me it's a personal call. If what you're looking at now is something you're really gonna be happy with and the price is reasonable, no harm in buying now. Just gotta check yourself and ensure that there aren't going to be regrets later. The grass is always greener. Waiting is something you can always rationalize. Also worth considering... if the 2600 isn't doing it for you, you can always drop a Zen 2 in that X470 later, when prices on them come down.

I'll tell you this... I will likely keep my 2600 rig as my main rig, even if I get a 3700x machine to play with. Depends on how you wanna spend your money and what your goals are *shrugs* Take that as you will. If all you want is a really solid, modern build, you've got it there. Good luck with your new build! Hope all goes well.

 

[advanced3]

I dunno...
If you use the same HDD and call MS say your stuff fried.. will it count?

You can just download Windows 10 tool from Microsoft and install any version of Windows 10 for free. You'll have a watermark to "Activate Windows" and you cant set your own background (those are the only restrictions). You can always grab a key online for $15 bucks after and activate with that.

 

[spectatorx]

You can just download Windows 10 tool from Microsoft and install any version of Windows 10 for free. You'll have a watermark to "Activate Windows" and you cant set your own background (those are the only restrictions). You can always grab a key online for $15 bucks after and activate with that.

Trial version is better, it has no actual restrictions and it is enterprise edition. 90 day trial can be reset up to three times per install which in total gives you 360 days of free windows 10. After this just install trial of new build and that's all. I'm doing this since release of windows 7.

 

[advanced3]

Trial version is better, it has no actual restrictions and it is enterprise edition. 90 day trial can be reset up to three times per install which in total gives you 360 days of free windows 10. After this just install trial of new build and that's all. I'm doing this since release of windows 7.

Ill take the Windows 10 tool over the trial version. With the W10 tool you can install any version you want and still get all the updates and every feature, minus personalizing the background screen. I did use your method back on W7 days to avoid activation though.

 

[spectatorx]

Ill take the Windows 10 tool over the trial version. With the W10 tool you can install any version you want and still get all the updates and every feature, minus personalizing the background screen. I did use your method back on W7 days to avoid activation though.

Trial also gets updates and activates with no issues, even more, as it is enterprise edition you can fully manage your updates.

 

[Bill_Bright]

To expect me to pay for another copy for that is ludicrous. I'm sorry. That's a total rip-off. Didn't really get my money's worth on that deal.

But you agreed to those terms when you first decided to use W7 on the first machine. If you didn't like those terms you should have canceled the install/setup and installed Linux or something else.

I think the taxes I have to pay in Nebraska are a rip off and ludicrous. Nebraska is one of the few states that tax Social Security benefits for seniors. I have to pay taxes on 100% of my military retirement. Other states don't do that. Do my feelings about those taxes give me the right to fraud the State? No. I choose to live here. I could move to Texas or Florida.

The price I pay every month for my internet service is ludicrous and a rip-off. So am I in the right to hack into my neighbor's service so I don't have to pay?

My F150 is pushing 10 years old and I want a new truck. Have you seen the price of new 1/2 ton pickup trucks? Chevy just advertised a $100,000 Silverado! That's ludicrous so is it justified to steal it?

If you feel you are not getting your money's worth, fine. Don't buy the product then. But don't steal or comment fraud to get it for free. Or try to justify such actions because you feel it is ludicrous and a rip-off. How does that make it right? Is that the right message to send to our children. "Oh their prices are ludicrous and a rip-off, so stuff it down your pants. Its okay."

If you want to punish Microsoft, use Linux and LibreOffice. Or buy a Mac.

Edit comment: Fixed a couple typos.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If you want to punish Microsoft, use Linux and LibreOffice. Or buy a Mac.

Or use AndroidX86( https://www.android-x86.org/ ). It's actually quite good.
There's also PhoenixOS( https://www.phoenixos.com/download_x86 ), based on AndroidX86 but with a full Desktop UI. It's chinese developed, but then again so is AndroidX86. So far, I have seen any reason to mistrust either one. Neither distro does any spying on the user and both can be locked down by the user.

 

[Bill_Bright]

AndroidX86

Yeah. I have a friend who gave up on Windows a few years ago and swears by his Chromebook.

 

[robot zombie]

But you agreed to those terms when you first decided to use W7 on the first machine. If you didn't like those term you should have canceled the install/setup and installed Linux or something else.

I think the taxes I have to pay in Nebraska are a rip off and ludicrous. Nebraska is one of the few states that tax Social Security benefits for seniors. I have to pay taxes on 100% of my military retirement. Other states don't do that. Do my feelings about those taxes give me the right to fraud the State? No. I choose to live here. I could move to Texas or Florida.

The price I pay every month for my internet service is ludicrous and a rip-off. So am I in the right to hack into my neighbor's service so I don't have to pay?

My F150 is pushing 10 years old and I want a new truck. Have you seen the price of new 1/2 ton pickup trucks? Chevy just advertised a $100,000 Silverado! That's ludicrous so is it justified to steal it?

If you feel you are not getting your money's worth, fine. Don't buy the product then. But don't steal or comment fraud to get it for free. Or try to justify such actions because you feel it is ludicrous and rip-off. How does that make it right? Is that the right message to send to our children. "Oh their prices are ludicrous and a rip-off, so stuff it down your pants. Its okay."

If you want to punish Microsoft, use Linux and LibreOffice. Or buy a Mac.

Generally, I'd tend to agree, though I'm not fully buying all of those analogies. I would never do any of those things. You act like I'm walking around with this chip on my shoulder like I just am not getting my due in life, so I "take what's mine" every chance I get. But I do understand that society doesn't function when you do that, so I tend not to do it. Like, I'd love to offer people a much lower price on custom builds by secretively setting them up with W7 activations from machines tossed aside, but I know you just can't do that, so I don't.

With my machine specifically, I did pay for a retail W10 activation as I have many times... the W7 machine was a salvage. When I changed the motherboard out for a fully-working one, the troubleshooter let me down and wouldn't activate, no matter what I did. At this point I'm already a little miffed. I'm looking over at that salvage machine, thinking it's an easy out. And much to my surprise, it worked. That's really all it was. It simply spared me the trouble of going through Microsoft's hit-and-miss support team. And I definitely wasn't going to buy two activations for the same, basically brand new machine. I highly doubt Microsoft wanted me to either. That would be some serious bad PR.

Just wanted to clarify that I have never piggybacked service, would never steal a truck, have never shoplifted, and would never commit tax fraud. That's really in a completely different ethical category. It reminds me of how people often like to compare people who's actions they don't condone to Hitler, which isn't really fair to his victims. To compare me to someone who's stolen a car is not only offensive to me, but people who've actually had their cars stolen and been majorly effected by it, because what they've had done to them is that much worse than anything I'm capable of. Honestly, that's pretty rude. Tax fraud effects entire communities in a big way. I don't appreciate being compared to hardcore criminals just because I bucked a W7 key from an old machine. Not the most realistic comparison.

I'm not one of those "stick it to the man" types. I have an analogy of my own. If you changed the transmission in your new vehicle, would you be alright with starting your lease over? Even if it's in your contract, that's not okay.

At least in that case, you would actually have options. But in my case, it's Windows or bust. I'm not going to rage-quit windows and gut my whole way of operating over that... and I'm definitely not swapping a brand-new machine for a mac over it, even if it will run some of the software I'm well-entrenched in. That would be rather dumb of me. Or at least a bit dramatic. But regardless, this is a gaming machine... and realistically most people will agree that W10 is still the only real option for that.

I get that Windows is not the only option anymore, but when I see things like "buy a mac" or "just use linux" I kind of have to laugh. It's as if you think I'm not aware of these things... as if there's no reason why I choose Windows. No ill-intent, that is a silly argument to make without knowing what someone's use-case is. FWIW I am familiar with Apple products and for many years was an avid linux user. And I still follow along. They aren't my ticket right now, so I don't consider them to be realistic options.

The rest of what I said, take what you will of it. I still think it's being completely over-dramatic. I get that it's not exactly right, but that doesn't make your depiction of those actions any less hyperbolic. The ToS is clear, and measures to prevent people from doing exactly what I did have been in place across generations of Windows. And yet, they aren't being utilized. Leaves you wondering why. They could easily terminate my activation... like instantaneously. They could've denied it outright. But they don't do any of that. I find that strange. It's hard to fathom that they aren't aware or can't easily stop it. Again, make what you will of it. I'm not gonna pretend like it's the best thing to do, let alone what people should do. It basically boils down to where you as a person draw a line. But that is to say it's not so black and white. If you want to discuss it further, we can, but I doubt we'll really get anywhere with it.

I'll put it to you this way... if Microsoft wants to revoke my key, I will accept that and pay the price of a new activation. I consider that the cost of living with my choices. According to you I should be in jail, which I frankly have a hard time taking seriously. I will forever see it as a minor loophole. To me it just is not this grand moral quandary. Call me stubborn. I could say the same when you suggest that I should stop stealing cars and just get a mac.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah. I have a friend who gave up on Windows a few years ago and swears by his Chromebook.

I've got a friend like that too. Not a fan of it myself, but the newest versions are really very useful and in every way but gaming can effectively replace Windows. Of course the same can be said of Android(x86) and Linux.

 

[waspman3372]

I love that feeling, waiting for all that fun which is coming so soon, yay!
And as was already mentioned, actually buying upgrade to ryzen at this very moment is not the best idea unless you really have to do this right now and can't wait any longer. Release of ryzen 3xxx series is few days away, market should react to this with lowering 1xxx and 2xxx series prices or flood of these on used market. Also from leaks ryzen 3xxx appears to be amazing but nothing confirmed, official at the moment. If you can then hold with your purchase for 2-4 weeks.

Few days ago one friend asked me about buying ryzen 2600 platform and i told him exactly the same thing and he decided to wait as he is not in much of hurry and prefers to get as best deal as possible.

Yeah the parts have already come in for my upgrade or otherwise I might have reconsidered.