Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic

[Mussels]

Ill like to open up with;
Dial-up speed should be deemed illegal! No government should support such a crappy speed.

I use to have ADSL 256/64 Unlimited for a while, and 65Gb a month was decent, but 25.6kb a second is disgusting in itself. Now i have 1.5 ADSL which gives me 150kb

256Kb/s is 32KB/s. 1500Kb/s (0r 1536Kb as its meant to be) is 192KB/s. you divide by 8, not by 10.

 

[Gam'ster]

That was lifted.



If it wasn't for the US and Russia your whole country would be run by Nazi's.

And we thank the US/Russia but lets not forget the men and women on both sides of the pond who died defending their country's . Lets not let this slip into an all out flame war, its a forum we like to use so lets take some responsibility in our posts and get the thread back on topic. Give the Mods a break .

Gam

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Just dont get me started on the americans during WWII.

Britain is taxed on everything,you dont wanna emigrate here with your life savings,believe me.

 

[WarEagleAU]

Oh please get started, Im very much interested in your opinion Tiggerrific

 

[candle_86]

Just dont get me started on the americans during WWII.

Britain is taxed on everything,you dont wanna emigrate here with your life savings,believe me.

your right we don't im not a big fan of Europe to begin with, don't get me started on yall either, last time i did i got a 3 day ban

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I like Europe and many of its policies. But its immigration and politically correct attitude towards militant muslims is a bit spineless. I hate to see Europe go soft, and get walked on. Native Europeans should demand respect by the immigrants or you will have to deal with riots and crime rates increasing dramatically.

I like what Europe is currently and fear what it is becoming because of outside influences(foreign and domestic).

 

[pentastar111]

I like Europe and many of its policies. But its immigration and politically correct attitude towards militant muslims is a bit spineless. I hate to see Europe go soft, and get walked on. Native Europeans should demand respect by the immigrants or you will have to deal with riots and crime rates increasing dramatically.

I like what Europe is currently and fear what it is becoming because of outside influences(foreign and domestic).

That's the exact way I feel about the U.S.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

That's the exact way I feel about the U.S.

Yes, unfortunately California does the same thing as Europe. But in NC and most of the country, its not tolerated.

 

[Triprift]

Lol how exactly did the thread get from limiting internet traffic to Europe US ww2 stuff again.

 

[Gam'ster]

I like Europe and many of its policies. But its immigration and politically correct attitude towards militant muslims is a bit spineless. I hate to see Europe go soft, and get walked on. Native Europeans should demand respect by the immigrants or you will have to deal with riots and crime rates increasing dramatically.

I like what Europe is currently and fear what it is becoming because of outside influences(foreign and domestic).

Thats right on the money " politically correct human rights " bull shit, we should riot and become a republic .

But on topic, Trip ive got no idea what limiting internet traffic has to do with politics but its " human rights "

Gam

 

[Polaris573]

If you people cannot stay on topic, I am going to have to close this thread.

 

[PedoBearApproves]

Not everyone uses the internet for the same purposes. Some simply check their e-mail and/or scan the news for the latest headlines and promptly log off, while others download gigabytes of data every day, if not every hour. For years the internet was an egalitarian service with both types of users paying an equal amount despite the amount of bandwidth they used. Now it seems the major ISPs are preparing to implement some form of bandwidth limiting for users that utilize the most. Earlier this month Time Warner cable began a trial program of “Internet metering” in one Texas city. Customer will be asked to select a monthly plan with a certain amount of allotted bandwidth. When a user exceeds the bandwidth of their plan he or she will be forced to pay a surcharge, similar to exceeding the allotted minutes of a cell phone plan. The same week Time Warner announced its plan Comcast announced that it will be expanding its plan to manage Internet traffic, which involves slowing down the connections of the heaviest bandwidth users. While, as of yet, AT&T places no restrictions on bandwidth they stated that limits on heavy use were inevitable and are considering pricing based on data volume. The three companies insist these forms of billing will insure fair access to the internet for all users. Critics of the bandwidth limits say that metering and capping network used could hold back the inevitable convergence of television, computers, and the Internet. Internet metering could have serious consequences for companies such as Blockbuster and Netflix who are providing more and more downloadable/streaming content.

When asked how many gigabytes an average customer uses, Time Warner would only reveal that 95 percent of customers use under 40 gigabytes per month. This means that 5 percent of customers use more than 50 percent of the network, and it is assumed that many of those people are sharing copyrighted video and music. Only time will tell whether these bandwidth limiting plans will provide fair internet access to everyone like the ISPs insist or whether they will stunt the growth of the internet economy. It seems that bandwidth limiting is here to stay and will most likely get worse, at least for the time being.

Source: The New York Times

this is built of fail, they try this on me, well i signed an unlimmited contact for 6mbit cable, if i dont get the service, i know a few lawers who will likely be willing to pickup a class acction suit against comcast, i mean they sell you "unlimited" and set speed, then cut you off after you download to much?

i download alot of 100% leigal content, over 40gb a month easy, i also havent seen verizion saying they are gonna pull this on fios users, it would be a bad move since they are selling unlimited 15mbit connections........

we shal see how this goes, sounds like another bs scheme to stop people from getting what they signed up for.

 

[Mussels]

telstra got away with that in australia, because they only reduce the speed and dont cut it off entirely.

Their argument (what won in courts) was the following:
5% of users use 50% of the bandwidth. If we shape those users, 95% of our customer base gets a better service. Also, as the internet is NOT disconnected they can still keep downloading as much as they want at a reduced speed... which is unlimited on our end (only by the speed itself)

 

[PedoBearApproves]

telstra got away with that in australia, because they only reduce the speed and dont cut it off entirely.

Their argument (what won in courts) was the following:
5% of users use 50% of the bandwidth. If we shape those users, 95% of our customer base gets a better service. Also, as the internet is NOT disconnected they can still keep downloading as much as they want at a reduced speed... which is unlimited on our end (only by the speed itself)

wouldnt fly here with the contract comcast gives you.

also the way comcasts networks nodes are setup, at least around here theres no big drain on other peoples speed for downloading or uploading alot, the problem with cable came in back when they had huge area's on 1 node, so everybody in that area shared the limmited bandwith that one node could manage.

this is just a way for isp's to try and avoid being sued or hit by the fcc for using stuff like that sandvine p2p shaping crap, they had to dump it as did some other isp's because the govt was looking into it.

im all for net nutrality, dont penlize me because i acctualy want to use what i pay for, I dont abuse the connection, i dont download 24/7 365, but i sure as hell go over a 40gb cap each month just watching streamed media and downloading software updates!!!

 

[Mussels]

well what will happen is that the average users price will drop.

For example if you pay $50 a month for unlimited now, they'll probably offer $40 a month for 20GB, and $60 a month for 80GB - its not like they'll leave you no options, they'll give you a way to get more downloads if you want them.

This is to stop those troublesome users who download 200GB or more a month... my ISP reported users who were managing that, at one point.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

telstra got away with that in australia, because they only reduce the speed and dont cut it off entirely.

Their argument (what won in courts) was the following:
5% of users use 50% of the bandwidth. If we shape those users, 95% of our customer base gets a better service. Also, as the internet is NOT disconnected they can still keep downloading as much as they want at a reduced speed... which is unlimited on our end (only by the speed itself)

But selling a service in the first place, while promising certain speeds, should have a network ready to give it to everybody at the same time. What if your cable charged you by usage and if you watched more tv than the rest of us you would get less channels after you watched it beyond the set amount they see fit.

Its just a case of the companies to lazy to upgrade the infastructure or wanting more money with a fee based scheme to get you paying more than you thought you were going to have to.

 

[Mussels]

thats just it, its impossible for them to keep up. in the last year, internet usage has gone around 5x the usual average. With the invention of youtube and streaming HDTV online... usage skyrocketed. They cant keep up.

Thats why solutions like this are coming up, its just that its already happened in a few other countries (australia for one) due to the same thing... we had a shit network, and the government/telstra refused to fix it so we had shit net until now when competition finally arrived (independant ADSL2+)

 

[Triprift]

Ummm we still have shit net compared to numerous other countries and pricing is crap too :/.

 

[Mussels]

Ummm we still have shit net compared to numerous other countries and pricing is crap too :/.

not if you look at ADSL2+... we actually beat what hte majority of the USA can get there.