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Well finally something new from Chiphell regarding RDNA2. This time from the famous wjm47196

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I believe you can use Google translate yourself so here are what was said in summary:

1. All the current RDNA2 rumors are BS (basically all the tech tubers, like Law is dead or something)
2. AMD has not even finished designing the PCB yet, the toolkits for manufacturing are also not ready. Those rumors claiming X times of performance are BS
3. Due to Covid, the AMD engineers from US has not even visited the manufacturing system yet for RDNA2
4. Currently still looking at Q4 launch for RDNA2
5. AMD will be sending PCB design resources to AIB in the next 2 weeks. Don't expect non-reference RDNA2 at launch
6. GPU validation sample was sent to Shanghai (apparently different from final mass producing PCB) for driver development (AMD's GPU driver is coded in AMD Shanghai? Hmmmmm)

Also 2 things the OP mentioned:

1. Flagship RDNA2 has 16GB VRAM
2. Ampere is definitely going to launch this September
 
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mlid is a schmuck
his rdna2 and ampere leaks are all made up
 
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AMD's GPU driver is coded in AMD Shanghai? Hmmmmm
The rabbit hole goes far deeper than that my friend.

A lot of crap is coded there (China).... And it really makes not one lick of difference, 99% of the time.

It's a boring rabbithole, honestly. It just means western coders can't do "code bounties" for a livable western wage anymore, essentially. Unless your superhuman-coder or something.

/OT, just some life experience from my past.
 
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The rabbit hole goes far deeper than that my friend.

A lot of crap is coded there (China).... And it really makes not one lick of difference, 99% of the time.

It's a boring rabbithole, honestly. It just means western coders can't do "code bounties" for a livable western wage anymore, essentially. Unless your superhuman-coder or something.

/OT, just some life experience from my past.

Fascinating. You reckon most of Nvidia's driver team is located in China too nowadays?

Not to say "Code in China" is bad or anything. It could just be the language barrier that is causing communication problems during bug squashing. We can take this to direct message if that works for you.
 
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Fascinating. You reckon most of Nvidia's driver team is located in China too nowadays?

Not to say "Code in China" is bad or anything. It could just be the language barrier that is causing communication problems during bug squashing. We can take this to direct message if that works for you.
Unsure, but I remember being surprised reading a report on some of the big names that were going there. I didn't look specifically for GPU companies at the time though...

So, maybe, quite possibly, but also possibly not. No idea. Just know a lot of code goes on there. Shanghai especially.

I'm also a bit salty because I may have lost a job once over this a ways back, but meh. Not going to be racist about it, just sucks that the whole world can't pay a decent wage sometimes.
 
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more like shamhai

I'd be really surprised with rdna2 card really pushing +50% perf over 2080Ti and giving rtx3000 a headache

let's go logically.
nvidia has a 260w 750mm2 in their power/size budget atm,and it stomps highest amd card by 50-something percent.
all nvidia has to care about now is a die shrink.even if they're doing it on samsung's "8nm",it's still nearly double the transistror per mm2 over tsmc's "12nm".
and they're doing it on a new architecture.

amd has a 250mm2 card but the power budget is almost spent for navi 10 7nm duv
it's them who not only have to double the size of the chip but add rt on top of that.
and do it on 7nm euv,which is 20% denser than 1st iteneration of 7nm.similar to nvidia's 16-12nm move.
with an architecture that's a tweaked version of rdna1

It'd be sweet if they do,and arrive this fall,but 225% performance of their current flaghsip navi,that is a lot unless they're planning 350w+ cards
 
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Well finally something new from Chiphell regarding RDNA2. This time from the famous wjm47196

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I believe you can use Google translate yourself so here are what was said in summary:

1. All the current RDNA2 rumors are BS (basically all the tech tubers, like Law is dead or something)
2. AMD has not even finished designing the PCB yet, the toolkits for manufacturing are also not ready. Those rumors claiming X times of performance are BS
3. Due to Covid, the AMD engineers from US has not even visited the manufacturing system yet for RDNA2
4. Currently still looking at Q4 launch for RDNA2
5. AMD will be sending PCB design resources to AIB in the next 2 weeks. Don't expect non-reference RDNA2 at launch
6. GPU validation sample was sent to Shanghai (apparently different from final mass producing PCB) for driver development (AMD's GPU driver is coded in AMD Shanghai? Hmmmmm)

Also 2 things the OP mentioned:

1. Flagship RDNA2 has 16GB VRAM
2. Ampere is definitely going to launch this September
See, now this oozes reality right here. This I am inclined to believe. AMD late to market and pre empted by Nvidia? Check. No AIB boards on launch, thus another repeat of what everyone knows is a buzz killer? Check. No fabled +50% perf over a 2080ti? Check.

Let's see about that 12 pin power plug now, huh.
 
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See, now this oozes reality right here. This I am inclined to believe. AMD late to market and pre empted by Nvidia? Check. No AIB boards on launch, thus another repeat of what everyone knows is a buzz killer? Check. No fabled +50% perf over a 2080ti? Check.

Let's see about that 12 pin power plug now, huh.
12-pin is true

check what gn said
 
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Unsure, but I remember being surprised reading a report on some of the big names that were going there. I didn't look specifically for GPU companies at the time though...

So, maybe, quite possibly, but also possibly not. No idea. Just know a lot of code goes on there. Shanghai especially.

I'm also a bit salty because I may have lost a job once over this a ways back, but meh. Not going to be racist about it, just sucks that the whole world can't pay a decent wage sometimes.
I agree. Capitals will always find ways to maximize profit.


more like shamhai

I'd be really surprised with rdna2 card really pushing +50% perf over 2080Ti and giving rtx3000 a headache

let's go logically.
nvidia has a 260w 750mm2 in their power/size budget atm,and it stomps highest amd card by 50-something percent.
all nvidia has to care about now is a die shrink.even if they're doing it on samsung's "8nm",it's still nearly double the transistror per mm2 over tsmc's "12nm".
and they're doing it on a new architecture.

amd has a 250mm2 card but the power budget is almost spent for navi 10 7nm duv
it's them who not only have to double the size of the chip but add rt on top of that.
and do it on 7nm euv,which is 20% denser than 1st iteneration of 7nm.
with an architecture that's a tweaked version of rdna1

It'd be sweet if they do,and arrive this fall,but 225% performance of their current flaghsip navi,that is a lot

AMD need to get RTX right in the first shot, they need to execute the driver details right in the first shot, they need to tune performance and power consumption right, they need to have some sort of counter tech against DLSS2.0. All that happening at the same time is statistically difficult based on their previous records.
 
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12-pin is true

check what gn said
Oh I won't doubt an FE with exotic pin setup, but who buys that shit anyway. No sane seller will force this upon a customer base that isn't prepared. Its similar to Nvidia removing a DVI connector, they want to lead the charge to a change in the industry. That's fine, but it happens in phases.

This also immediately kills the associated rumors about insane power draw and all that, as some individuals let their fantasies run wild... the usual suspects.
 
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oh yeah I forgot dlss 2.0
the problem is they can use tsmc for their advantage,they can hit the nail on the head with uarch,but the amount money nvidia invested in datacenter that's now trickling down into GeForce series - that's not something amd can compete on.

Oh I won't doubt an FE with exotic pin setup, but who buys that shit anyway
fe 2000 was good overall.
who knows.
let's judge once we have it.
 
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fe 2000 was good overall.
who knows.
let's judge once we have it.
Sure but it had nothing over any half decent AIB card, right? And was still priced higher. Nvidia even comes out saying it positions these cards as less attractive than AIBs. If you buy them, you do it for the green sticker.
 
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Sure but it had nothing over any half decent AIB card, right? And was still priced higher
incorrect.

when I was buying my 2070S, the FE was available for 2400pln on nvidia's website.
trio cost me 2560.
for 2400 you could have the entry level msi ventus or asus evo.I'd prefer the FE over those any day.
 
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I am OK with delay as long as they get it right. Expectations of it coming out earlier seemed odd when there is still just rumors and that is it.

Even if performance is OK, I am not the targeted audience for the $2000 high end cards line. More like, max is $500 CAD line. So if they come out with a very competitive card in that area, fantastic! If drivers are working fine at launch, even better! If they get Direct ML (supposed to be DLSS competitor) working fine on it, then I am sold. But that is a wait and see.

Thanks for the link. This can finally put to rest the rumors. Well, for now anyway.
 
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I am OK with delay as long as they get it right. Expectations of it coming out earlier seemed odd when there is still just rumors and that is it.

Even if performance is OK, I am not the targeted audience for the $2000 high end cards line. More like, max is $500 CAD line. So if they come out with a very competitive card in that area, fantastic! If drivers are working fine at launch, even better! If they get Direct ML (supposed to be DLSS competitor) working fine on it, then I am sold. But that is a wait and see.

Thanks for the link. This can finally put to rest the rumors. Well, for now anyway.
what delay ?
I'm sure the will be one,it's RTG,but the news says it'll be on time.

and direct ml is a microsoft's tool.it's neither amd-specific nor amd-made.

Supported on all DX12-compatible hardware•Examples:•NVIDIA Kepler and above•AMD Radeon 7000-series and above•Intel Haswell (4th-gen core) and above
 
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what delay ?
I'm sure the will be one,it's RTG,but the news says it'll be on time.

and direct ml is a microsoft's tool.it's neither amd-specific nor amd-made.
It is, but Microsoft is pushing it hard and well, RDNA2 is destined for it (well because simply due to the Xbox Series X). Well, technically RDNA1 can use DirectML as well but not known how well. I am assuming not well. And that is what AMD will end up using as they tend to use what is API specified or software end of it rather than hardware.

As for delay, well maybe its because rumors had it stated earlier than 4th quarter. Started with the claim regarding about it coming out before the consoles would. But that I was unsure of even at that time.
 
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As cucker said, DirectML to DLSS is false logic. DLSS is the end result of a well designed and a well inferred neural network. DirectML is just a set of tools made to design something like DLSS. They are not even close.

For AMD to get something like DLSS to work they have to do the following:
1. Get their shitty Machine Learning driver stack working properly
2. Gain market share in AI and actually develop some neural network from scratch. That means all the data extraction layers AND inference layers.
3. Implementing said neural network for gaming AND productivity.

The only reason Nvidia can come up with DLSS is due to their high investment into AI for a long time. It trickles down to gaming, not the other way around.
 
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As cucker said, DirectML to DLSS is false logic. DLSS is the end result of a well designed and a well inferred neural network. DirectML is just a set of tools made to design something like DLSS. They are not even close.
I'll wait to see what end results are rather than assuming.
 
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As cucker said, DirectML to DLSS is false logic. DLSS is the end result of a well designed and a well inferred neural network. DirectML is just a set of tools made to design something like DLSS. They are not even close.
I'm quite unsure if directml serves remotely the same purpose
It is, but Microsoft is pushing it hard and well, RDNA2 is destined for it (well because simply due to the Xbox Series X). Well, technically RDNA1 can use DirectML as well but not known how well.
you don't know how well rdna1 nor rdna2 use it.
but you know it's better on rdna2.
interesting.

I'll wait to see what end results are rather than assuming.
not about that.
does directml even do the same thing ?

you are assuming much more than he is assuming here.
 
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I'm quite unsure if directml serves remotely the same purpose

you don't know how rdna1 nor rdna2 use it.
but you know it's better on rdna2.
interesting.
RDNA2 is more geared towards the Xbox Series X obviously. DirectML is being pushed for Xbox Series X. Yes, it is still assumption.

This is what I read on DirectML:

 
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I'll wait to see what end results are rather than assuming.

We can all hope. But as of now AMD is quite comfortable placing itself as a hardware / silicon design company.

Software development causes serious $$$$


And we are completely OT now with DirectML lol
 
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RDNA2 is more geared towards the Xbox Series X obviously. DirectML is being pushed for Xbox Series X. Yes, it is still assumption.
weird way to put it.
rdna2 IS in Xbox Series X

directml is not a tool that was designed for XSX,where are you getting that from
I'm reading a dml paper right now,it says nothing about consoles or amd architectures

And we are completely OT now with DirectML lol
what else is there to talk about.
the leak is that there are no true leaks
 
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weird way to put it.
rdna2 IS in Xbox Series X

directml is not a tool that was designed for XSX,where ar you getting that from
I'm reading a dml paper right now,it says nothing about consoles or amd architectures
That is what I meant (first part). I am saying they are pushing DirectML for series x, not that it was designed for it. Mind you, I cant find official statement of that but rumors. But I am aware that DirectML was built before that not with console in mind. But I am saying it is being pushed for.

So they created something that they now want to use for their next console (not saying it was created FOR it). So they (as of rumors at least) plan to have this in their console. So RDNA 2 which is being used for the console has to meet the requirements in order to run it properly. Once again, assuming that the rumors are true. Maybe chiphell will be able to shed more light on that.

Here is what I can find at least:
 
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That is what I meant (first part). I am saying they are pushing DirectML for series x, not that it was designed for it. Mind you, I cant find official statement of that but rumors. But I am aware that DirectML was built before that not with console in mind. But I am saying it is being pushed for.

So they created something that they now want to use for their next console (not saying it was created FOR it). So they (as of rumors at least) plan to have this in their console. So RDNA 2 which is being used for the console has to meet the requirements in order to run it properly. Once again, assuming that the rumors are true. Maybe chiphell will be able to shed more light on that.
it looks like directml is hardware agnostic
whatever it does for rdna2 it'll do for rdna1,turing and even older
 
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