Company Bricks User's Software After He Posts a Negative Review

[R-T-B]

Yes, my man, that is what he is saying. Did you miss the previous two responses, which he acknowledges?

In the U.S., free speech protection is only afforded to people in regard to it not being disallowed or curtailed by law or governmental decree.

Basically, a private entity, unless acting "under the color of law" cannot violate a person's civil rights.

Exactly.

if that is the Case i pity you after the inauguration coming up Soon

I pity all of us after what happened last election.

 

[dorsetknob]

Basically, a private entity, unless acting "under the color of law" cannot violate a person's civil rights.

And the right to Free speach/Free press Don't you feel that this corp by applying pressure to remove Comments that it feels unfavorable is Attempting the Denial of the right of Free speach

 

[jboydgolfer]

A couple years back I made a purchase on Amazon.com, it was an actual physical item after receiving it and received an email from the seller asking me out right. If I left a good review they would compensate me with a free gift . No maybe it's just me but when a company controls the reviews it gets doesn't that sort of dilute the whole point of the review?

I reported them to Amazon immediately. Much to my surprise it happen twice more both times which I reported. Sadly this seems like something both Amazon and the rest of the world is becoming more and more comfortable with.

A few years back I actually learned that there are Internet companies that hire people without morals to give good reviews and they use s****y you tubers to spread that information and help them recruit. This is why it doesn't pay to make a purchase based off of what "shitty poop 97",or some other username says about a product,since there's a good chance he was paid to say it

 

[rtwjunkie]

And the right to Free speach/Free press Don't you feel that this corp by applying pressure to remove Comments that it feels unfavorable is Attempting the Denial of the right of Free speach

No I don't feel it is. You don't have a right to free speech with private entities.

In the private arena, you can say what you want, sure, but there are consequences.

If you want an example, go ahead and flagrantly violate the TPU forum rules on what you can say. Watch the reaction, which will be either vacation or banning, depending on the severity.

Just to be clear, there is nothing governing anything other than Government interference in that right of free speech.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html

 

[dorsetknob]

Guess the founding fathers ( almost all Lawyers ) didn't want the people to have rights just the impression of rights

 

[Jetster]

Guess the founding fathers ( almost all Lawyers ) didn't want the people to have rights just the impression of rights

Its not hard to search case law.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Guess the founding fathers ( almost all Lawyers ) didn't want the people to have rights just the impression of rights

No, the emphasis was protecting the people from governmental dominance, which was why the American Colonies rebelled in the first place.

@jboydgolfer, I have to agree totally. Some of these companies are real a-holes about reviews. If it were me, I would WANT honest reviews, so I knew what I was doing well on, and what I needed to improve so I could increase my sales.

 

[qubit]

HRD Software have clearly heard about customer service. Wankers.

 

[R-T-B]

And the right to Free speach/Free press Don't you feel that this corp by applying pressure to remove Comments that it feels unfavorable is Attempting the Denial of the right of Free speach

Not as defined in the constitution, no.

 

[newtekie1]

A few years back I actually learned that there are Internet companies that hire people without morals to give good reviews and they use s****y you tubers to spread that information and help them recruit. This is why it doesn't pay to make a purchase based off of what "shitty poop 97",or some other username says about a product,since there's a good chance he was paid to say it

They don't just pay them to post good reviews. Internet shills are paid to do a lot more than that. They go on forums and defend the products against anyone that speaks negatively. They post false bad reviews for competing products. They post on forums bad mouthing competing products.

No, the emphasis was protecting the people from governmental dominance, which was why the American Colonies rebelled in the first place.

Exactly. The bill of rights was to limit the government's power over the people. It does not apply to private interactions.

 

[jboydgolfer]

No, the emphasis was protecting the people from governmental dominance, which was why the American Colonies rebelled in the first place.

@jboydgolfer, I have to agree totally. Some of these companies are real a-holes about reviews. If it were me, I would WANT honest reviews, so I knew what I was doing well on, and what I needed to improve so I could increase my sales.

Maybe I making more of it than it is, but at the same time no company whether they deal in physical or digital or any other type of product should control both the creation and the feedback. I remember hearing something a while back also from Amazon where the creators of some game or something were reviewing their own software.

I've seen certain reviews where it actually has a disclaimer at the bottom of the review which says "this review was written by a person who got their product for free". To me I don't pay any mind to those reviews they may as well not do them. I think the whole point of it is to fool the person who reads through to quickly or takes the reviews to seriously in the hopes that they'll get away with something. I mean let's be honest they do it because it works and what (it)is ....is fooling the consumer.

 

[EarthDog]

As a reviewer, it's a bit disconcerting to hear that point of view... if you get a free product you're automatically a shill. W1z doesn't buy gpus unless they don't send them.. mobos, cpus.... all sent from companies. Anand, Tom's... etc. In fact, I don't know one review site which purchases all or even a lot of their hardware/games they review... that's asinine (and quite costly).

 

[Mr.Scott]

As a reviewer, it's a bit disconcerting to hear that point of view... if you get a free product you're automatically a shill. W1z doesn't buy gpus unless they don't send them.. mobos, cpus.... all sent from companies. Anand, Tom's... etc. In fact, I don't know one review site which purchases all LR EVEN A LOT of their hardware/games they review... that's asinine (and quite costly).

While I agree, on the flipside, I've been shut off by a few companies for posting a less than stellar review for some products. So.........take that for what it's worth.

 

[jboydgolfer]

While I agree, on the flipside, I've been shut off by a few companies for posting a less than stellar review for some products. So.........take that for what it's worth.

Thank God that hasn't happened to me yet .... I wouldn't be able to order a single thing online anymore . Just Newegg alone has gotten some pretty harsh reviews for me in the recent year and a half to two years. I'm of the opinion , That constructive criticism him is good criticism. We all learn from our mistakes companies shouldn't be much different. Coca-Cola learn from new Coke, ubisoft learned from uplay, and a third example. If a company were to do something like that to me I'd have to take it to the public....Facebook etc. and let everyone know that dealing with them was like buying weed off your cousin at a Metallica concert

i JUST ordered a headset off of B&H and the checkout process was Shit, so i gave it a 1 out of 5 star rating, and told them why, this is the response i got.i know its a canned response, but this is what they should be.

 

[Mr.Scott]

I was actually talking about companies that send me product for review.
If it were just reviews for items I purchased, I probably would have to use an alias by now. lol

 

[EarthDog]

While I agree, on the flipside, I've been shut off by a few companies for posting a less than stellar review for some products. So.........take that for what it's worth.

so have we... and the fish couldn't have been any bigger... we stuck to our proven (by three editors/benchers) results and since that point, no samples. But x we are meeting with them at CES so hopefully we an get back on the same page.

 

[Mr.Scott]

so have we... and the fish couldn't have been any bigger... we stuck to our proven (by three editors/benchers) results and since that point, no samples. But x we are meeting with them at CES so hopefully we an get back on the same page.

I have been in contact with the bigger of the companies also, trying to get back inside. They used to send me stuff monthly.
The smaller one's I don't really care about. Samples were few and far between anyway.

 

[Totally]

As a reviewer, it's a bit disconcerting to hear that point of view... if you get a free product you're automatically a shill. W1z doesn't buy gpus unless they don't send them.. mobos, cpus.... all sent from companies. Anand, Tom's... etc. In fact, I don't know one review site which purchases all or even a lot of their hardware/games they review... that's asinine (and quite costly).

Really? There's a clear difference you guys here at TPU, Anand, and most other review sites. You guys are objective whenever possible have clear tests and metrics that are outlined, that can be recreated by anyone wanting to do so to independently verify or can be verified against results of others sites. Versus a 'review' found on an amazon product page, or video reviews by JoeISayNothingbutGoodThingsSomebody on YouTube. Have some faith, man.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

As I and many say on all these intel threads with stupidly overpriced hardware that is barely better than 5 years ago...hurry up Zen and be as good as possible, I think us techies have suffered non progress long enough.

Lol yes I had this cued up in multi-quotes from before and after lengthy disagreement from it find it humorous to randomly post it out of context here

My fix for situations like this? Someone should mail them a bag of shit.

However this was said here, and I found that rather funny

Also as many here pointed out this company deserves to be "blacklisted" by customers so to speak and yeah Jim may win in court but they acted very unprofessionally plus literally threatened him with court all due to him buying their product and having issues and being honest with them about it. From what I see he wasn't a dick about all of his issues, but they were and then some so this is where boycotts and just spreading the bad word about the company will probably cost them enough to learn them a lesson and financially suffer for terrible customer service.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

What they did was lowdown dirty and wrong, but it is not a Free Speech issue.

Many people, including Americans, tend to think that right is much more encompassing than it really is.

Yes, tell me about it, just read the litany of responses here jumping on this company as if free speech is even in play here, which it isn't.

you under estimate the sick twisted moral less Virtual less Attributes of the American Laywer and their dollar grubbing mindset
A Company putting Pressure on some one to change their Opinion is Oppressing Free Speach
or are you saying only governments can oppress/deny Free Speach
if that is the Case i pity you after the inauguration coming up Soon

This, is a perfect example of bloviating on about free speech and "gasp" I'm so surprised said person thinks Trump=anti-free....everything.

Exactly.



I pity all of us after what happened last election.

Been here done this with you in past post, complain to the founding fathers and the last 2 centuries any ruling party had to change the rules...no one had an issue with them, till they lost. Get over it.

Guess the founding fathers ( almost all Lawyers ) didn't want the people to have rights just the impression of rights

Again, same person who initially thinks free speech should entitle you to do whatever you want with no consequence and a business has no rights whatsoever. No surprise first reaction is to blame the founding fathers for our lack of rights as if those who gave us this country and our rights ironically should pay for...giving us those rights? Yeah, ok. Also again, don't pity us, we elected someone under the rules of our constitution you had 8 years prior to pity us for suffering in stagnation.

 

[R-T-B]

Been here done this with you in past post, complain to the founding fathers and the last 2 centuries any ruling party had to change the rules...no one had an issue with them, till they lost. Get over it.

I would have had an issue if Hillary won, and that's documented here. And I've always had an issue with the electoral college. I believe that's documented in another forum profile of mine but I can't be assed to dig it out.

Please stop trying to make this partisan, as well as drive it OT. Bottom line and my only point there? That election sucked. I don't think anyone sane can say it was awesome with a straight face.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I would have had an issue if Hillary won, and that's documented here. And I've always had an issue with the electoral college. I believe that's documented in another forum profile of mine but I can't be assed to dig it out.

Please stop trying to make this partisan, as well as drive it OT. Bottom line and my only point there? That election sucked. I don't think anyone sane can say it was awesome with a straight face.

Honestly, many will disagree with you there. Also I am not the one who keeps whining and railing on about it, so who is the one who won't let it go and drop the partisanship? If you would have had an issue with Hillary then hope for the best with Trump no one else could win, Hillary may not even be standing in 4 years.

Hard for me to be "OT" when I simply replied to things other people said and you were merely 1 of 4, so that line doesn't work and only implicates yourself in being "OT" in the first place for me to respond to an election quip when this wasn't about that whatsoever. However it is in the fact that peoples' warped sense of political facts vs. fiction and rights vs privileges etc is very relevant and I simply tied that all together with my points.

 

[R-T-B]

Honestly, many will disagree with you there. Also I am not the one who keeps whining and railing on about it, so who is the one who won't let it go and drop the partisanship? If you would have had an issue with Hillary then hope for the best with Trump no one else could win, Hillary may not even be standing in 4 years.

Hard for me to be "OT" when I simply replied to things other people said and you were merely 1 of 4, so that line doesn't work and only implicates yourself in being "OT" in the first place for me to respond to an election quip when this wasn't about that whatsoever. However it is in the fact that peoples' warped sense of political facts vs. fiction and rights vs privileges etc is very relevant and I simply tied that all together with my points.

Technically, it was dorsetknob that started with the Trump talk.

I'm just reminding us to stop. It's getting out of hand.

PS: If you really think I'm partisan, check out this post prior to the election results being known (Hillary was still scheduled to "Win"):

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/members/dorsetknob.8331/#profile-post-15230

I stand by what I said. Anyone thinking an election resulting in a country this divided is a "good one" should get their head checked.

 

[RejZoR]

Lol, what a bunch of idiots. They think removing that negative review will solve the PR disaster they've just created. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD

 

[dorsetknob]

PS: If you really think I'm partisan, check out this post prior to the election results being known (Hillary was still scheduled to "Win"):

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/members/dorsetknob.8331/#profile-post-15230

A completely ambiguous impartial comment FROM A BRIT that neither favored hilly or trump or disparaged either of those two
And neither did the couple of reply's