@Elkhawaga APC ups is a battery backup, it prevents all your hardware, has surge protection and also backup when power goes off you will have some minutes to shut down your PC, i always use UPS...
also the case has dust filters for bottom psu and fan vents and front intake vents, for top exhaust it does not have vents, also i think they are not necessary, i have that case and is pretty big, has prefect space for cable management, drive cages could be taken out and also a terrific acrylic window! so sexy!
that part list includes all you need to build your computer, also the i5 6600K will make your rig a little bit more future proof since its unlocked and you could overclock it for getting better processor speeds! also i added some extra fans for the case and radiator, mostly because the rad of the listed AIO just cames with 1 fan despite he supports 2 fans for a push pull configuration,
so let me know if there is something more about the build you will like to know or modify, we are here to help!
@Elkhawaga APC ups is a battery backup, it prevents all your hardware, has surge protection and also backup when power goes off you will have some minutes to shut down your PC, i always use UPS...
6600K + Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 5 was a nice combo for me ... no issue no hiccups just pure bliss (down to brands liking tho ... ) not too expensive and nice performing, the Gaming 3 even have a better price ratio
other recommendation would be the ASUS Maximus VIII Ranger if he can find it or the ASUS Z170-A (even if some people say RMA with ASUS are a pain ... me i say : "if you don't need RMA : no pain .... just be lucky " )
funny eh? 2 brand from which people talk bad quite a lot lately and i never had any issue since i use them
well would not be the only difference between 2 user who have the same rig, the user itself? organic bug? (joking ... end of year is fun! )
other good brand with good cheap (price not build quality or features ) boards is ASRock (i had some of them )
other recommendation would be the ASUS Maximus VIII Ranger if he can find it or the ASUS Z170-A (even if some people say RMA with ASUS are a pain ... me i say : "if you don't need RMA : no pain .... just be lucky " )
6600K + Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 5 was a nice combo for me ... no issue no hiccups just pure bliss (down to brands liking tho ... ) not too expensive and nice performing, the Gaming 3 even have a better price ratio
you're so wrong this time ... i had numerous ASUS board : no issue at all
in the end all come down to the user preference i am OK with ASUS but you aren't, thast does not make them suck or whatever
many other would say the same about Gigabyte that you say about ASUS
i compared same pricing GA-Z170X-gaming 5 and Maximus VII Ranger (since i had both) and both are solid and pack quite a bunch for the price, quality features and such (BIOS 50/50 i like both of them tho some user deem the giga one as "shitty", well, not me )
still i agree with you (Gigabyte is my new fav atm .... till the next swap ... or lighting storm ... ahah)
edit for the win ... for me it's MSI who suck ... it's the only brand where i had some "grave" issues (GPU or mobo tracing back to the Athlon XP era) tho i still like them for some pearl i have in my GPU/Mobo collection
My 2nd rig is sporting a cheap ASUS board. Still running fine though xD the issue about ASUS specifically because it's on the premium side once u climb over $200 mark, apart from the ROG branded ones, which is exceptional on it's own.
Asus service sucks or their products? Their products are great. Not a single issue from my experiences. Everyone is suffering from slight BIOS problems with Z170.
@GreiverBlade IMO though, all vendors' boards are good in their own ways... but personally I think that MSI is marketing way too much gimmick compared to the others... which make me kinda bored. Rocking an ASRock board for my new rig & so far it's running faultless. Might add an M.2 SSD for Windows 10 once it gets a little stable & DX12 gets greenlit for new games.
@MxPhenom 216 could be a rare issue... but ASUS are somewhat quick at releasing hotfixes/updates OR it could be just pure luck...
you're so wrong this time ... i had numerous ASUS board : no issue at all
in the end all come down to the user preference i am OK with ASUS but you aren't, thast does not make them suck or whatever
many other would say the same about Gigabyte that you say about ASUS
i compared same pricing GA-Z170X-gaming 5 and Maximus VII Ranger (since i had both) and both are solid and pack quite a bunch for the price, quality features and such (BIOS 50/50 i like both of them tho some user deem the giga one as "shitty", well, not me )
still i agree with you (Gigabyte is my new fav atm .... till the next swap ... or lighting storm ... ahah)
edit for the win ... for me it's MSI who suck ... it's the only brand where i had some "grave" issues (GPU or mobo tracing back to the Athlon XP era) tho i still like them for some pearl i have in my GPU/Mobo collection
Oh damn yes. Until a recent driver update, I had quite a few SLI glitches, some very annoying and intractable. I wouldn't normally go SLI, but I got my original 780 Ti back in January 2014 and saw another one going for cheapish around March 2015, a while before there were any hard details about the upcoming 980 Ti and thought I'd risk it. It's paying off now, but it's been quite a few months of pain and it could all repeat itself in the future. My next upgrade is gonna be single GPU for sure unless Pascal does that dual GPU magic which fixes these problems that I've been reading about. It'll probably be too expensive anyway, lol.
He/She wants to keep it for the next 8 years and i5s have stagnated performance wise since Sandy Bridge (January 2011, 5 years ago), which tells me that it can't stagnate for 8 more years.
A 6c/12t is a better choice than a 4c/4t when you aim at 8 years.
He/She wants to keep it for the next 8 years and i5s have stagnated performance wise since Sandy Bridge (January 2011, 5 years ago), which tells me that it can't stagnate for 8 more years.
A 6c/12t is a better choice than a 4c/4t when you aim at 8 years.
i know i can keep my 6600K for the next 8 years ... but i wouldn't (a friend play on a C2D E8400 8gb DDR2 800 and GTX 760 build i did for him ... all fine well ...
nope 6c/12t is not a 8 year proof technically ... not until intel will do a "mainstream enthusiast line" like a i7-6790K 6 core 12t, but they won't ... they don't want mainstream to be like that (unlike AMD)
price to price a 5820K is not worth the overprice on a 6700K even on a 6600K ...
remember those chart? they are not only in gaming ... even in picture processing the 6600K and 6700K are near a 5960X and above the 5820K, wait for Broadwell-E? well the price will not be nice either...
The processor performs 23% faster when running single-threaded applications.
Multi-threaded performance of the Core i5-6600K is better.
In memory-intensive programs, the Intel i5-6600K CPU has 16% higher performance.
The Core i5-6600K performs 45% faster in graphics tasks.
This processor features AVX2, F16C and FMA3 instructions, that were introduced in modern CPUs not too far ago. Although these extensions are not broadly supported by applications yet, their support should improve in future apps.
Power consumption of the CPU is lower.
obviously 23% and 16% are not huge leap, but i feel they can't do huge steps like in the past ... they are nearing the limit
or it's just because Intel wants it like that ... and games developer will continue to develop for 4 thread (i know some game use more than 4 thread but still)
keep in mind the OP is not against cutting cost and with 850 ... well you have the X99 mobo the 5820K and ... that's all oh well maybe 100$ left if lucky and you can take 1 or 2 stick of DDR4 (on a quad channel mobo... nice eh? )
Go for the i7-5820K Haswell-E for only $390 on NewEgg. The 6700k is $420 on NewEgg, should be $350 but supply shortage is pushing the price up, not good value at $420.
I have a 6700k (but I paid $360) and it's rocking my SLI Titan-X's but the i7-5820K will be faster on muti-threaded stuff and give you extra lanes for you SLI 980Ti's.
nope 6c/12t is not a 8 year proof technically ... not until intel will do a "mainstream enthusiast line" like a i7-6790K 6 core 12t, but they won't ... they don't want mainstream to be like that (unlike AMD)
The 5820K is currently being sold at a lower price than the 6700K. Motherboard price? We're talking about 110$ more. 420+90=510 or 375+200=575, for 65$ you get 2c/4t and the board supports SLI.
remember those chart? they are not only in gaming ... even in picture processing the 6600K and 6700K are near a 5960X and above the 5820K, wait for Broadwell-E? well the price will not be nice either...
keep in mind the OP is not against cutting cost and with 850 ... well you have the X99 mobo the 5820K and ... that's all oh well maybe 100$ left if lucky and you can take 1 or 2 stick of DDR4 (on a quad channel mobo... nice eh? )
I fail to see your argument.
The 5820K is currently being sold at a lower price than the 6700K. Motherboard price? We're talking about 110$ more. 420+90=510 or 375+200=575, for 65$ you get 2c/4t and the board supports SLI.
Charts took from your book, we don't know what games were tested nor the apps. Give me a link that proves that an i5 6600K beats a 5820K.
Link?
The difference in power consumption between an i5 2500K and an i5 6600K is soo little that it would take years to notice any difference.
New game engines can use more than 4 threads now, more and more games are starting to use more threads.
Wait, what? You know the board also supports dual and triple channel?
i know that the board support dual and triple ... and if you did read i did write "i know some game use more than 4 thread" tho ... can you list them for me? because if i actually play them on my 6600K i would be grateful to know i need to upgrade my rig sooner than i thought.
the charts are from a magazine : PCUpdate sept/oct 2015 N°79 (oh ... i guess they lie ... and those chart are totally faked ... thanks to make me notice that)
picture processing : Photoshop (clear blue) Zerene (dark blue)
games 1: Batman Arkham Origin (clear blue) Battlefield Hardline (dark blue)
game 2 : Total War: Rome II (clear blue) Compagny of heroes 2 (dark blue), that one the 6600K is between the 5820K and the 5930K and the price difference justify the argument for the 6600K
ofc they could test plenty more soft and games to be more accurate, but the picture is clear enough
sorry but for me a HEDT platform is not a gaming platform and totally not worth it if you do only gaming on, media playback, browsing etc, and not heavy picture processing (well ... even the 6700K and 6600K beat it in that category ) rendering or computing btw your Phenom II X4 scream for a change he's gonna be obsolete soon (worry not i joke ... i had the same X4 but the 955 when i started here )
unless going 5960X, no real "huge" or "substantial" gain but even there ... the overprice is not justified.
well the E8400 will be 8yrs old soon ... he would be better with a C2Q altho
so for you a normal gaming rig is a 5820K + a X99 mobo + 2 3 4 DDR4 (while 2 and 3 can work, it's not really optimal but it will work ) and a 980Ti (or a Titan X? maybe? ) quick calculation :
the 5820K is cheaper than the 6700K because of 2 thing, 1. Intel and the retailer are a bunch of [censored] 2. the 5820K is not on the level of a 6700K (and sometime not on the level of a 6600K for some task ... luckily the 6600K stay at a nice price )
for me the reduction is 67chf from the 6700K to the 5820K and 153chf more for the 5820K than a 6600K a decent X99 mobo (and the cheapest i can find which is still 48chf more than my actual mobo or even 62chf if i did take the Gaming 3 variant ) and some ram ... let's face it a quad kit .... they are cheap enough, like the one i have in my rig ... 832chf oh let's not forget the PSU case and a good cooler that the OP miss (unless he does not intend to OC then a 6700 non K ... seal the deal )
total (don't worry i take a cheap case and a reliable but cheap air cooler ... we already almost passed the 850$ mark ) 920.90chf, 919,57$, well if the OP can stretch a bit the budget ... wait ... i missed the PSU (750w to 850w should be enough even if SLI and OC ) 80+ gold and semi Modular cheapest available 1051.90chf, 1050,38$
ofc i would favor 6c/6T over 4c/8t anytime ... never been a fan of HT
luckily a while before in the thread you advocated in favor of the 6600K if the OP did go single card (which is more than likely ... SLI is not as nice as it should be and with a single 980Ti no worries for quite a while )
edit, my build (equivalences in price for some part that are not anymore on my retailer's listing)
a 980Ti G1 cost ~ 100chf more than my 980 Poseidon although (and the monitor also would cost quit a bit more still waiting for 1440p 1600p to become affordable for me also )
i did write "i know some game use more than 4 thread" tho ... can you list them for me? because if i actually play them on my 6600K i would be grateful to know i need to upgrade my rig sooner than i thought.
Implying things I didn't say and using a stupid logic only proves you're out of things to say.
I said that more and more games are supporting more threads, it doesn't mean the games wont run good on a quad core chip, it only means if you have more than 4 threads, the game will use them. Why would gamers buy FX-8350s if the FX-4350s gave them the same performance?
the charts are from a magazine : PCUpdate sept/oct 2015 N°79 (oh ... i guess they lie ... and those chart are totally faked ... thanks to make me notice that)
picture processing : Photoshop (clear blue) Zerene (dark blue)
games 1: Batman Arkham Origin (clear blue) Battlefield Hardline (dark blue)
game 2 : Total War: Rome II (clear blue) Compagny of heroes 2 (dark blue), that one the 6600K is between the 5820K and the 5930K and the price difference justify the argument for the 6600K
ofc they could test plenty more soft and games to be more accurate, but the picture is clear enough
Again, implying things I didn't say. I said " we don't know what games were tested nor the apps", now I know and 4 games tested is just not enough to even consider it as a valid proof. Anyway, the point is not to prove if an i5 6600K gives 1-2FPS more or less, but to prove that it will still perform good in 5, 6, 7 and even 8 years.
sorry but for me a HEDT platform is not a gaming platform and totally not worth it if you do only gaming on, media playback, browsing etc, and not heavy picture processing (well ... even the 6700K and 6600K beat it in that category ) rendering or computing btw your Phenom II X4 scream for a change he's gonna be obsolete soon (worry not i joke ... i had the same X4 but the 955 when i started here )
unless going 5960X, no real "huge" or "substantial" gain but even there ... the overprice is not justified.
No game tested, only benchmarks and old one btw.
What CPU I need for what I do, doesn't matter here.
As you said I'm not recommending the 5960X because it's overpriced.
You just proved my point brilliantly. If he would have bough a Core 2 Quad 7 or 8 years ago, his computer would perform better now. 7 years ago people were saying that dual cores were strong enough to game. Now people say that you need 4 cores, but what will it be in 8 years? Still 4 cores? I don't think so. Thus why a 6c/12t is more suited for 8 years of gaming.
so for you a normal gaming rig is a 5820K + a X99 mobo + 2 3 4 DDR4 (while 2 and 3 can work, it's not really optimal but it will work ) and a 980Ti (or a Titan X? maybe? )
luckily a while before in the thread you advocated in favor of the 6600K if the OP did go single card (which is more than likely ... SLI is not as nice as it should be and with a single 980Ti no worries for quite a while )
Still implying things I didn't say, a normal gaming rig is with an i5 but a normal gaming rig does not last 8 years. My answer was before he/she stated that it would stay pretty much the same for 8 years.
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Until a recent driver update, I had quite a few SLI glitches, some very annoying and intractable. I wouldn't normally go SLI, but I got my original 780 Ti back in January 2014 and saw another one going for cheapish around March 2015, a while before there were any hard details about the upcoming 980 Ti and thought I'd risk it. It's paying off now, but it's been quite a few months of pain and it could all repeat itself in the future. My next upgrade is gonna be single GPU for sure unless Pascal does that dual GPU magic which fixes these problems that I've been reading about. It'll probably be too expensive anyway, lol.
