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DDR 2 DDR3 is it worth upgrading?

@Helper i appriciate that explaination and it was very informative, but when i do a windows shut down. If i try to turn it straight back on it wont come straight on. I have wait for a 10 mins or so before i can reboot. Also i have checked all the connections and i have a new PSU and even a new power cable just incase.

I really have no idea about such problem. Did you try to clear your BIOS? A setting may be the cause of it. Or something else installed in your Windows? There could be a lot of reasons for that. I honestly don't know whether it's the cause of your motherboard or not so I don't think that I can tell you it's exact reason...

Please show me a DDR2 module rated at 1300MHz that runs on 1.8v or less. JEDEC's maximum voltage for DDR2 1.9 but I expect these high-end DDR2 modules to use 1.9 or more. That Kingston RAM you've linked too is 2.3 to 2.5v - that's the same as DDR(1).

If you notice in my post I actually stated that for me DDR3 was the better option due to lower voltages required, even if the difference is minimum it can aid in OC'ing (if that's your bag) or if you're like me and like power saving, it's obviously better. So, where am I wrong?

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In my opinion, if the OP has a faulty MOBO and isn't really wanting to fork out for a complete new system, then definitely pick up a cheap DDR3 motherboard (as one is available) or look for a replacement

Most of the DDR2 modules aren't being rated at more then DDR2-1200 since that's the set maximum value/divider for motherboards` memory controllers. You just said that you didn't see DDR2 rated at more than 1200, that's why I linked that to you. What do you expect me to link you after that? I can't come with DDR2-1300+ modules out of nowhere. That RAM isn't Kingston, it's Team branded also. Let's think it like this, do we have any of DDR3 modules rated at 2400 MHZ? Yes we do. But only one or two. Do you think that DDR2 2400 RAM will do 2400 at 1.5V? I doubt it. You see how it is? I've always been talking about stuff that's out of standart specs. You told us that you didn't see it, and that's what you will ever see. You won't be able to see DDR2 memory rated at 1333 MHZ with 1.8 V. Do you see any "DDR" 800 memory? Yeah...

So to cut a long story short, RAM out of spec, RAM out of JEDEC values. But if you still want me to link you. You can look at these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231271

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227455

I'm sure a good pair of those in a good platform will do 1300 at 1.8. But that's out of DDR2 motherboard standart so YOU CAN'T RELATE IT TO JEDEC.

Dude, you don't save watts from RAM, ROFL. RAM takes a few watts at most and GPUs&CPUs take more than hundred watts. It's not logical, not at all. You don't go to DDR3 RAM because it takes 1 or 2 watts less then DDR2 RAM. You go to it because it usually has more bandwidth and speed. RAM doesn't get too hot. I'm seeing people tweaking their RAM without even a heatsink on it. Yes, of course a little bit of less volts is an advantage of it but it's not what classifies DDR3 RAM over DDR2.

Of course, if OP's mobo is faulty, I'm all for a X48 motherboard. That's what I love too. BUT when you already have 4 GB of DDR2 RAM laying around, you don't want to go and pay money to a pair of DDR3 RAM. It's pointless to do it and you know it.

Nevermind, I'm not saying that DDR2 or DDR3 is better. What I'm saying is that, each of them are good. One has less latency, other one has more bandwidth. DDR3 RAM dominates DDR2 when a lot of RAM bandwidth is needed(i7) but DDR2 RAM wins when timings are important(latency). So you choose which one to go for in your system...
 
Also with the 4gb i have installed in my mobo on cpu-z it says that each stick is 400mhz, although i have tried 4 different types of ram and the all say 400mhz which aint right becuase on the label of the ram stick it say 800mhz.

It's DDR so all 800Mhz DDR2 appears as "400Mhz" in CPU-Z.
 
In my opinion, if the OP has a faulty MOBO and isn't really wanting to fork out for a complete new system, then definitely pick up a cheap DDR3 motherboard (as one is available) or look for a replacement

Didn't know the mobo was bad. I'm not sure if DDR3 on a s775 motherboard is worth it unless it can be picked up for around the same price.
 
If you notice in my post I actually stated that for me DDR3 was the better option due to lower voltages required, even if the difference is minimum it can aid in OC'ing (if that's your bag) or if you're like me and like power saving, it's obviously better. So, where am I wrong?

:confused:

In my opinion, if the OP has a faulty MOBO and isn't really wanting to fork out for a complete new system, then definitely pick up a cheap DDR3 motherboard (as one is available) or look for a replacement

Yes DDR3 uses a lower voltage, but that doesn't really matter. The savings on your powerbill will be negligible. I went from running Kingston DDR2 1066 (which I ran at 1150) to running G.Skill 2000mhz DDR3 (AMD doesn't like high speeds so it's at 1600), and yes the DDR3 is using less voltage, but it's also running a bit slower. And it's not like my Kingston was on fire here, I can see on a processor going for a cooler running chip or on a GPU for power efficiency, but DDR2 isn't going to light on fire, and using less voltage isn't going to save you a ton of money.

So then it all comes down to, is there performance to be gained, and in most cases, there isn't, so whats the point? And I think thats what everyone else is trying to say.
 
Most of the DDR2 modules aren't being rated at more then DDR2-1200 since that's the set maximum value/divider for motherboards` memory controllers. You just said that you didn't see DDR2 rated at more than 1200, that's why I linked that to you. What do you expect me to link you after that? I can't come with DDR2-1300+ modules out of nowhere. That RAM isn't Kingston, it's Team branded also. Let's think it like this, do we have any of DDR3 modules rated at 2400 MHZ? Yes we do. But only one or two. Do you think that DDR2 2400 RAM will do 2400 at 1.5V? I doubt it. You see how it is? I've always been talking about stuff that's out of standart specs. You told us that you didn't see it, and that's what you will ever see. You won't be able to see DDR2 memory rated at 1333 MHZ with 1.8 V. Do you see any "DDR" 800 memory? Yeah...

To begin with, you didn't say why I was wrong, please explain why I was. The highest DDR(1) RAM I have is rated at 600MHz with incredibly low timings but the manufacturing process and binning of the chips for DDR wouldn't allow it to go any higher without being incredibly expensive and completely unnecessary - hence 2nd generation DDR2 (history has a habit or repeating itself, hence DDR3).

So to cut a long story short, RAM out of spec, RAM out of JEDEC values. But if you still want me to link you. You can look at these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231271

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227455

I'm sure a good pair of those in a good platform will do 1300 at 1.8. But that's out of DDR2 motherboard standart so YOU CAN'T RELATE IT TO JEDEC.

Why can't I relate to JEDEC?

Dude, you don't save watts from RAM, ROFL. RAM takes a few watts at most and GPUs&CPUs take more than hundred watts. It's not logical, not at all.

When did I ever state that moving from DDR2 to DDR3 is going to save you hundreds of pounds/dollars/ringgits? However, building a rig with power saving in mind might save you some money. However, that isn't really applicable in the OP's case.

You don't go to DDR3 RAM because it takes 1 or 2 watts less then DDR2 RAM. You go to it because it usually has more bandwidth and speed. RAM doesn't get too hot. I'm seeing people tweaking their RAM without even a heatsink on it. Yes, of course a little bit of less volts is an advantage of it but it's not what classifies DDR3 RAM over DDR2.

I never said it did. I said for me it was the best move. Again, if the OP is having difficultly with his current MOBO and wants to move over to DDR3 then do so, obviously it would make far better financial sense to pick up another DDR2 based motherboard and keep the components he has until USB3.0, SATA6Gbps and maybe, if he can wait that long - PCIe 3.0. The point is that the OP has that upgrading itch, which can be completely void of logic sometimes, like going from a 45nm fast dual core to a 45nm quad core. It wasn't really necessary but fuck it, you wanted it.

Of course, if OP's mobo is faulty, I'm all for a X48 motherboard. That's what I love too. BUT when you already have 4 GB of DDR2 RAM laying around, you don't want to go and pay money to a pair of DDR3 RAM. It's pointless to do it and you know it.

I didn't say he should buy DDR3 I gave him my opinion that DDR3 was worth it. You're forgetting that if he ever did get a DDR3 MOBO and some sticks of DDR3 (he'll be able use the RAM on better build, don't think we'll be seeing DDR4 anytime soon).

Nevermind, I'm not saying that DDR2 or DDR3 is better. What I'm saying is that, each of them are good. One has less latency, other one has more bandwidth. DDR3 RAM dominates DDR2 when a lot of RAM bandwidth is needed(i7) but DDR2 RAM wins when timings are important(latency). So you choose which one to go for in your system...

I'm not arguing that DDR2 or DDR3 is better, again (and I'm tired of repeating myself) that DDR3 had lower voltages and for that alone I was sold. It gave me more headroom to OC and if I wasn't OC'ing I could drop everything down so I'm using less power in my whole
rig which will save me money if I'm using it over an extended period of time.

It is obvious that he would be better off looking for a replacement DDR2 motherboard, but if he chooses to sell the RAM, it'd be more of a question of 'Upgrade or a new rig?' in which case, spending as little money as possible is the better option in my opinion.

So then it all comes down to, is there performance to be gained, and in most cases, there isn't, so whats the point? And I think thats what everyone else is trying to say.

To satisfy the upgrading itch. I'm not saying he should, just saying that he can if he thinks about it.
 
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Well said innocent :)
 
To begin with, you didn't say why I was wrong, please explain why I was. The highest DDR(1) RAM I have is rated at 600MHz with incredibly low timings but the manufacturing process and binning of the chips for DDR wouldn't allow it to go any higher without being incredibly expensive and completely unnecessary - hence 2nd generation DDR2 (history has a habit or repeating itself, hence DDR3).

Why can't I relate to JEDEC?

When did I ever state that moving from DDR2 to DDR3 is going to save you hundreds of pounds/dollars/ringgits? However, building a rig with power saving in mind might save you some money. However, that isn't really applicable in the OP's case.

I never said it did. I said for me it was the best move. Again, if the OP is having difficultly with his current MOBO and wants to move over to DDR3 then do so, obviously it would make far better financial sense to pick up another DDR2 based motherboard and keep the components he has until USB3.0, SATA6Gbps and maybe, if he can wait that long - PCIe 3.0. The point is that the OP has that upgrading itch, which can be completely void of logic sometimes, like going from a 45nm fast dual core to a 45nm quad core. It wasn't really necessary but fuck it, you wanted it.

I didn't say he should buy DDR3 I gave him my opinion that DDR3 was worth it. You're forgetting that if he ever did get a DDR3 MOBO and some sticks of DDR3 (he'll be able use the RAM on better build, don't think we'll be seeing DDR4 anytime soon).

I'm not arguing that DDR2 or DDR3 is better, again (and I'm tired of repeating myself) that DDR3 had lower voltages and for that alone I was sold. It gave me more headroom to OC and if I wasn't OC'ing I could drop everything down so I'm using less power in my whole
rig which will save me money if I'm using it over an extended period of time.

It is obvious that he would be better off looking for a replacement DDR2 motherboard, but if he chooses to sell the RAM, it'd be more of a question of 'Upgrade or a new rig?' in which case, spending as little money as possible is the better option in my opinion.

Is it so hard to find your answer out of a wall of text? Why do I have to say you are wrong directly? OK, then. You're wrong because DDR3's lower voltage doesn't make it significantly better, or a better buy then DDR2 RAM. I've only seen a few times people saying that as a plus of DDR3 RAM over DDR2. If you were to say that "HEY, LOOK DDR3 RAM TAKES LOWER VOLTAGE, IT'S BETTER!" in 2007. Everyone will come and say WTH are you talking about CL 9 latency LOL. Now that there are i7 and Phenom 2's, more memory bandwidth is needed therefore IC makers started giving their attention to DDR3 RAM, and left DDR2 all alone. But the formula still applies for DDR3 RAM ON SOCKET 775. That's why you are wrong. I know that there ain't no DDR 1 800 RAM either. I gave it as an example to what we're talking about here. You also said that it went like that in DDR2 or in DDR3. The predecessor was never as fast as it's successor. But it always had some other advantages such as compatibility, price and lower latency. That's why people kept going on older RAM on older systems. And they moved to the newer one, with a whole new platform.

How many people do you know used DDR2 RAM on Socket 478? It was created for DDR RAM. Like how they did Socket 775 for DDR2 RAM. Why do you think it's like 1066 FSB CPU, DDR 533 RAM. Or 1333 FSB CPU, 667 MHZ RAM? Yes, you don't need a 1:1 ratio anymore but it has always been like that. That was what they thought off, usually for pre-built systems while designing DDR2 RAM and Socket 775.

DDR3 on the other hand is for newer Sockets. There is no point in using RAM quadruple the speed of your old FSB.

You can't relate it to JEDEC because RAM's speeds are out of specification already. And you try to combine those two. They have a reason for EPP. And that is that. They do special RAM profiles for RAM faster then JEDEC specs, and therefore usually taking more voltage for that. It's not so hard to understand.

You aren't power-saving. Look at your hardware dude how is it power-saving? You think your RAM will help? haha...

You compare 1.65V to 2.5V? What kind of comparison is that? Go compare 1.5V to 1.8V for God's sake.

I'm not going to discuss with you if DDR3's only lower voltages let you sold, when there were thousands of people talking about how crappy DDR3 is on S775. Slow timings=slower performance, more expensive, doesn't have any effect on a DDR2 divider controlled socket. Cut the crap already.
 
You compare 1.65V to 2.5V? What kind of comparison is that? Go compare 1.5V to 1.8V for God's sake.

Because I went from DDR(1) to DDR3 - however, 1.5volts to 1.8volts isn't that much of a difference when you're running things at stock. Obviously not as advantageous as it was for me.

Helper said:
I'm not going to discuss with you if DDR3's only lower voltages let you sold...

That doesn't even make sense, if you don't want to discuss stuff, then why ask questions?

... there were thousands of people talking about how crappy DDR3 is on S775. Slow timings=slower performance, more expensive, doesn't have any effect on a DDR2 divider controlled socket. Cut the crap already.

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Someone has sand in their vagina, we really need to get that out it's making you incredibly cranky. Seriously though, no idea why you're being so defensive about this subject when I completely agree with the fact that the OP doesn't need to upgrade to DDR3. If it's financially applicable and the OP wants to dick about with something that he will be able to use on a newer machine at a later (where he won't be able to use DDR2) then go for it. I benefited it from. I gave my experiences - enough said.
 
thought i would read this thread to get some info and maybe help but all i have seen is bitching in the last few post.

Now not being funny but Helper why don't you try helping instead of bitching with InnocentCriminal, at the end of the day we will all do what we want with our pc's and there is no need for anyone else to get upset over it.

NOW if it was me who had to decide what to do, i think i would buy the mobo and some DDR3 then when i finaly upgrade again to a better CPU and mobo i will already have DDR3 ram to use so technicaly i would be saving a bit of cash in the long run.
 
I never said it is better, it just was for me. If you look back, I actually agree with you...

... my points are that a DDR3 board is on offer for cheap. The OP has, what they think a faulty mainboard. If they're willing to go to the effort of getting DDR3 & the mainboard I have available then, wahey - itch scratched and the OP has DDR3 sticks that he can use once the Q6600 bites the dust when you need more than four cores.

You're talking as if I don't understand the situation here. You're also thinking that I'm using the lower voltage requirements of DDR3 as the end all of this (what shouldn't even be) debate.

A few, I work in IT.

Why d'you think I don't understand that? It's obvious manufacturers aiming at the enthusiast market are going to above and beyond the JEDEC specifications otherwise they won't be able to release the product they want.

How d'you know what my rig specifications are actually running at or even consuming. Power saving more than you looking at your voltages, even if the financial ramifications are negligible, but some of us actually like undervolting/underclocking just as much as overclocking.

Because I went from DDR(1) to DDR3 - however, 1.5volts to 1.8volts isn't that much of a difference when you're running things at stock. Obviously not as advantageous as it was for me.

That doesn't even make sense, if you don't want to discuss stuff, then why ask questions?

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Someone has sand in their vagina, we really need to get that out it's making you incredibly cranky. Seriously though, no idea why you're being so defensive about this subject when I completely agree with the fact that the OP doesn't need to upgrade to DDR3. If it's financially applicable and the OP wants to dick about with something that he will be able to use on a newer machine at a later (where he won't be able to use DDR2) then go for it. I benefited it from. I gave my experiences - enough said.

Alright, sorry for being so offensive against you as you were agreeing with me on OP's subject. I just woke up angry, that's was it.

Yes, he can use his DDR3 RAM on future on a new system but DDR3 is unnecessary and plain pointless in S775. It doesn't need that much bandwidth neither it needs those timings. It's better off keeping on the RAM for the socket.

Like how it's pointless to have DDR2 RAM on Socket 478. That's why I gave you that example. Of course there are some people using it with those crap Biostar mobos. You look like you're always up to direct answers and questions, without thinking the sarcasm/irony behind them. Don't quote me on this, what was what I saw after talking about like DDR 1 800 RAM... Anyway, you know the majority is going on with DDR RAM in Socket 478. This applies to Socket 775 too. It's no good to use DDR3 RAM at it, DDR2 is what you need for S775. That's how it should be.

Even if DDR3 mobo is on the cheap, RAM is more expensive. We both agree on OP keeping his stuff therefore there is no need to discuss that...

You did it wrong by going on DDR3 from DDR. You should have gotten yourself a DDR2 mobo with a pair off good DDR2 kit, just like how most of the people did on LGA 775. Because it was a smarter move. I'm just pointing out your mistakes. Again, sorry for raging at you. I only try to help people by listing out what I know.

I said that you don't power save hence you have juicy hardware. Even if you underclock/undervolt it, those will still take a fair amount of watts. If you had something like an Atom system, I would have said yeah dude, you're real good at power saving. But with a lot of harddisks and a Quad Core and a GTX 285, it's not really power saving.

Talking about not discussing with you, it's as long as you don't have a valid point to take up DDR3 RAM over DDR2 on LGA775. I only thought that what you did was wrong. That's it.
 
Alright, sorry for being so offensive against you as you were agreeing with me on OP's subject. I just woke up angry, that's was it.

:rolleyes:

Helper said:
Yes, he can use his DDR3 RAM on future on a new system but DDR3 is unnecessary and plain pointless in S775. It doesn't need that much bandwidth neither it needs those timings. It's better off keeping on the RAM for the socket.

I agree...

Helper said:
Like how it's pointless to have DDR2 RAM on Socket 478. That's why I gave you that example. Of course there are some people using it with those crap Biostar mobos.

Is it pointless if people pay the premium price for it and the manufacturer's make their money?

Helper said:
You look like you're always up to direct answers and questions, without thinking the sarcasm/irony behind them.

Sorry, but I have difficulty with badly written English. Plus, we're on the tinternet, it's very easy to miss out the desired intention in written text.

Helper said:
Don't quote me on this, what was what I saw after talking about like DDR 1 800 RAM... Anyway, you know the majority is going on with DDR RAM in Socket 478. This applies to Socket 775 too. It's no good to use DDR3 RAM at it, DDR2 is what you need for S775. That's how it should be.

Not necessarily. Different consumers have different criteria.

Helper said:
Even if DDR3 mobo is on the cheap, RAM is more expensive.

It was just as expensive as DDR2 when I purchased my sticks, but faster, decent timings and lower voltages and could be used again if I move over to a platform specifically optimised for DDR3. Win win, especially as I got my P5E3 cheap.

Helper said:
We both agree on OP keeping his stuff therefore there is no need to discuss that...

Well, I agree on the fact that his current set up plays on what he wants, but our 'flirting' has derailed the underlying issue. The fact he is currently having problems. I did raise the point that he believes his current mainboard to be defective so buying a new mainboard with DDR3 is an option if he is willing to work out the pros and cons financially.

Helper said:
You did it wrong by going on DDR3 from DDR. You should have gotten yourself a DDR2 mobo with a pair off good DDR2 kit, just like how most of the people did on LGA 775. Because it was a smarter move. I'm just pointing out your mistakes. Again, sorry for raging at you. I only try to help people by listing out what I know.

I don't believe I did anything wrong, not a mistake for me at all. Can you understand where I'm coming from?

Helper said:
I said that you don't power save hence you have juicy hardware. Even if you underclock/undervolt it, those will still take a fair amount of watts. If you had something like an Atom system, I would have said yeah dude, you're real good at power saving. But with a lot of harddisks and a Quad Core and a GTX 285, it's not really power saving.

I do need to update my specifications, I've never used the GTX285, it's always been my HD4870 to which I would like to replace with a 5K series card due to the power consumption compared to the 4K... anyway, I'm not going to have a completely green PC, especially if I'm an enthusiast/gamer. You can't deny that I'm saving power if I'm running my rig on a lot less voltages than stock. I enjoy trying to reduce my power consumption as much as possible whilst maintaining a decent level of performance as much as I do increasing it all and trying to OC. OK, so I'm not saving as much as I would be if I used specifically low powered designed components such as an Atom CPU you referred to, but the Atom doesn't fit my criteria.

Helper said:
Talking about not discussing with you, it's as long as you don't have a valid point to take up DDR3 RAM over DDR2 on LGA775. I only thought that what you did was wrong. That's it.

I think I know what you're trying to say here. You're interpretation of what I was saying was wrong, the way you went about... whatever it was you were trying to prove was wrong. I suppose I could have worded my initial post slightly better, but the fact I stated I agreed with you should have clarified that.

As for the original OP, I could completely understand if he avoids his own thread because of our rants, he know has a much better understanding of the options available to him.

Most say, don't bother going to DDR3 if you're machine can handle what you through at it. If you believe your mainboard is faulty, it may be worth looking into what options are available and offer the best performance for the money.

Really you want to retain your hardware for as long as you can, so if you can find a DDR2 mainboard that fits your criteria and budget then that's the best option. If you do decide you want to go down the DDR3 route just for the hell of it, you know someone in the same country has a decent board for sale.
 
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Is it pointless if people pay the premium price for it and the manufacturer's make their money?

Not necessarily. Different consumers have different criteria.

It was just as expensive as DDR2 when I purchased my sticks, but faster, decent timings and lower voltages and could be used again if I move over to a platform specifically optimised for DDR3. Win win, especially as I got my P5E3 cheap.

Well, I agree on the fact that his current set up plays on what he wants, but our 'flirting' has derailed the underlying issue. The fact he is currently having problems. I did raise the point that he believes his current mainboard to be defective so buying a new mainboard with DDR3 is an option if he is willing to work out the pros and cons financially.

I don't believe I did anything wrong, not a mistake for me at all. Can you understand where I'm coming from?

I do need to update my specifications, I've never used the GTX285, it's always been my HD4870 to which I would like to replace with a 5K series card due to the power consumption compared to the 4K... anyway, I'm not going to have a completely green PC, especially if I'm an enthusiast/gamer. You can't deny that I'm saving power if I'm running my rig on a lot less voltages than stock. I enjoy trying to reduce my power consumption as much as possible whilst maintaining a decent level of performance as much as I do increasing it all and trying to OC. OK, so I'm not saving as much as I would be if I used specifically low powered designed components such as an Atom CPU you referred to, but the Atom doesn't fit my criteria.

I think I know what you're trying to say here. You're interpretation of what I was saying was wrong, the way you went about... whatever it was you were trying to prove was wrong. I suppose I could have worded my initial post slightly better, but the fact I stated I agreed with you should have clarified that.

As for the original OP, I could completely understand if he avoids his own thread because of our rants, he know has a much better understanding of the options available to him.

Most say, don't bother going to DDR3 if you're machine can handle what you through at it. If you believe your mainboard is faulty, it may be worth looking into what options are available and offer the best performance for the money.

Really you want to retain your hardware for as long as you can, so if you can find a DDR2 mainboard that fits your criteria and budget then that's the best option. If you do decide you want to go down the DDR3 route just for the hell of it, you know someone in the same country has a decent board for sale.

For someone who knows what he does, yes. It IS pointless to have DDR2 RAM on PGA-478. When you can have super speeds and latencies of DDR RAM on that platform. Like doing more then 500 MHZ on the RAM with just CL 2, and running 1:1 AT 1T. If not, it's still better. DDR 400 RAM works in junction with Socket 478 CPUs. DDR2 on the other hand, sky rockets it's speed and latency. That's what I've been talking about from the beginning. Every socket should be used with the RAM that fits it the best. I'm sure you can easily understand this whole process since you're in this business.

The only advantage of DDR3 on S775 I could see is the bench points that it will show you. Such as an enormous amount of memory read/write. Despite that, I don't see anything else making it better for that socket so me and most of the people are all for DDR2 on LGA-775. Those consumers rather don't know what they're doing or going it with the thought of having better benchmarks OR they're doing it like you do.

Now let's come to your DDR3 setup... well I can't bash you much here :). If you managed to get it at the same price of a pair of DDR2 RAM, and thought of going with it on a new system it's not that bad but it's still doesn't make up for... say a pair of the special DDR2 Ballistix that can do CL4 at 1000. It's no faster or more compatible then something like that. And it won't ever be.

I was always saying that RAM doesn't save much power. I went on saying it doesn't compare to your other peripherals. I mean, RAM's temps or watts aren't significant so does the volts that it work at. So that's not a big deal for the majority.

I'm go DDR2 on S775 man. Even if DDR3 mobo+RAM costs the same. I've already told you why too. I think which RAM to use is an objective thread. It's your choice.

Notting else is left to say for me. ;)
 
Helper, have you used ddr3 on 775 yourself ?

I'm curious as reading through your post its seems like you've never even bothered.

I have.

It makes a difference.

my rig is now faster.

Intel loves teh bandwidths, not low latency.

( hence why all the SUPER 2400mhz kits have wierd latencies, why bother increase clocks when they could adjust latencies instead and run the clocks slower D:? * )

* not an actual question, the answer is because bandwidth is more important




*edit* oh OP, have to plug my wares since you could potentially be interested, I've got 2x2gb of Corsair XMS 3 I have for sale if you do go the ddr3 route send me a PM for a quote !
 
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Helper, have you used ddr3 on 775 yourself ?

I'm curious as reading through your post its seems like you've never even bothered.

I have.

It makes a difference.

my rig is now faster.

Intel loves teh bandwidths, not low latency.

( hence why all the SUPER 2400mhz kits have wierd latencies, why bother increase clocks when they could adjust latencies instead and run the clocks slower D:? * )

* not an actual question, the answer is because bandwidth is more important

I take that as an actual question, you sound so gentle BTW. It's a combination of latency AND bandwidth. But since DDR2 can already give out enough bandwidth for a Core 2 architecture(FSB) based system, there is no need for DDR3 in it. After that, latency comes in place. The lower your timings are, the faster your RAM will response. There DDR2 tops DDR3.

Yeah, I didn't use DDR3 on S775. Because I have always seen it as unnecessary and a waste. Intel doesn't love huge bandwidth of DDR3 on Socket 775. SuperPi or SiSoft Sandra scores do. It loves lower timings more and when you compare cheap DDR3 RAM(very high latency) to cheap DDR2, you see which one is faster.

They bother to do super duper DDR3 2000+ RAM kits because of i7(QPI). Because that's what needs all that bandwidth. Then, timings aren't as important as they're when compared to DDR2 VS DDR3 RAM on LGA-775. As long as you have a ludicrous speed system that needs a load of bandwidth.

Anyways, they do both types of RAM. In fact, InnocentCriminal's RAM is slow MHZ but has low timings. There are DDR3 2000 RAM that do it at CL7 aswell. Those are the highest-binned RAM chips. Whatever...

Your LGA-775 system doesn't become faster with DDR3 RAM. It becomes slower in more areas compared to a good DDR2 kit. If you use i7 with DDR2, it'll be slower but S-775? Hell no it's faster with DDR2.
 
No I mean I actually saw speed increases, especially if I overclocked.

I've managed to run through quite a few systems the past few years so I can directly compare the performance between ddr2 and dd3, obviously board makes a difference but they were similar spec other then ddr3 vs 2.

If I run the volts up to around 2 v on my ram I can lower the latencies to around ddr2 levels and the difference is negligible performance wise.


I've got no problem with different opinions but you shouldn't state it as fact that ddr3 is not worth the time on 775, as from personal experience this isn't the case.

Results vary from user to user, rig to rig after all.
 
No I mean I actually saw speed increases, especially if I overclocked.

I've managed to run through quite a few systems the past few years so I can directly compare the performance between ddr2 and dd3, obviously board makes a difference but they were similar spec other then ddr3 vs 2.

If I run the volts up to around 2 v on my ram I can lower the latencies to around ddr2 levels and the difference is negligible performance wise.


I've got no problem with different opinions but you shouldn't state it as fact that ddr3 is not worth the time on 775, as from personal experience this isn't the case.

Results vary from user to user, rig to rig after all.

If you can lower DDR3 timings down to DDR2 and at a faster frequency, yes, it'll be a little bit faster. But that's not the case dude. DDR2 does the same speeds at much lower latencies usually, and it's compatibility is better with S-775. However, you're right too. But like I told you, taking everything into consideration, DDR2 usually dominates DDR3 on S-775. Yeah, it's people's choice in the end. I think we should end up this discussion here, we already said everything to be said.
 
I would say no it isnt worth it.

I was spoiled and got some great DDR2 along the years to play with, and both my Crucials and my Axeram in DDR2 handed my DDR3 its ass on my X48 DFI.

I clocked the piss out of that DDR3, tightened the timings, everything, the performance just wasnt there to warrant the board and the ram, when at the time all I needed was a board, I still had my 1200mhz axes then. Could have gotten a board by itself and used the extra loot to buy a better GPU.
 
When you look at RAM alone then yes, but I'd rather be running 1.65volts not 2.5volts and get a much better performance increase whilst consuming less.

I think you missed the point, the difference in power draw from the wall, or difference in the PSU you need to run 1.65v to 2.5v is very minimal, maybe a few watts. This isn't like "going green" and undervolting your CPU. If you cut a signifigant amount of wattage draw, then I would say it's a valid point, but when the difference is that small go as fast as you can for the price. He already has the DDR2. There would be no point in spending $80+ on new RAM just to cut maybe 1 - 3 watts of power. That voltage drop maybe sound like a massive amount, but voltage doesn't matter if the parts not melting down and unable to be cooled.

I am saying this because I already have moved from DDR2 to DDR3, and honestly it was not worth the money for performance or efficiency gains. I ran my DDR2 and 2.3v and I run my DDR3 at 1.7v, and no matter the voltage I can't get the clocks out of the DDR3 to make it match the performance of my old DDR2, and my DDR2 just had heatsinks, so the voltage doesn't matter.
 
Hi

I have a Pretty good pc with Q6600 processor, 4gb Ram, and a (Radeon 4890 2gb), my mobo is asus p5b deluxe. It plays most games without any problems at all. I have had my mobo for appox 4 years because i upgraded from dou core to quad. But i have noticed it has become pretty sluggish on windows 7, and when my comp first starts up the ram is up to 50% for ages. Just lately i have been playing GTA 4 ultra high everything and i surpose its playable. But because my mobo has lasted 4 years i have thought about getting a new mobo with 2.0 pci express for my now 4890 2.0 pcie card. and also while i am at it should i get a lga 775 mobo that fits DDR3? My current mobo allows upto 8gb, but my 2 other ram slots dont work. So my question is:

1. if i get a mobo with ddr3 will it be a lot better than if i get one with ddr2?
2. will my radeon 4890 work better in a pcie 2.0 slot rather than the current 1.0 im using.
3. Or should i think bugger it and get a new mobo 1366 and i7?

I am new to this site and its nice to meet everyone :)

High memory usage, disk activity and high CPU usage on startup in Vista and 7 is (often) a combination of Superfetch and Windows Search (plus indexing).

You should also not rely on the auto defrag as its very much a hinderance. Turn it off and use Contig with power defrag and defrag your system every week.

If your Q6600 is stock just by increasing the FSB from 266 to 333 (presuming its a G0 stepping model) will give you a 600mhz overclock which usually doesn't require any more volts. You may also have to make sure the ram speed doesn't get elevated by choosing the speed in the options in the BIOS (for starters anyway).

It would be helpful if you got the programme 'Core Temp' and CPU-Z, ran them both and reported back as to the stepping (will be B3 or G0) and the VID of your CPU is.
 
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I think you missed the point, the difference in power draw from the wall, or difference in the PSU you need to run 1.65v to 2.5v is very minimal, maybe a few watts.

A few watts saved is my criteria, not matter how much of a moot point it may be to you, it means a great deal to me. The same as recycling (specific) plastics, papers and glass. Not having paper statements from my bank. I go out of my way to do what I can where I can.

1Kurgan1 said:
This isn't like "going green" and undervolting your CPU. If you cut a signifigant amount of wattage draw, then I would say it's a valid point, but when the difference is that small go as fast as you can for the price. He already has the DDR2. There would be no point in spending $80+ on new RAM just to cut maybe 1 - 3 watts of power. That voltage drop maybe sound like a massive amount, but voltage doesn't matter if the parts not melting down and unable to be cooled.

Again, I didn't state that just the voltage alone is enough for the OP to warrant buying DDR3. From my own experiences, DDR3 was worth it. Obviously it's not worth any extra cost if you have to lay down more money all together.

1Kurgan1 said:
I am saying this because I already have moved from DDR2 to DDR3, and honestly it was not worth the money for performance or efficiency gains. I ran my DDR2 and 2.3v and I run my DDR3 at 1.7v, and no matter the voltage I can't get the clocks out of the DDR3 to make it match the performance of my old DDR2, and my DDR2 just had heatsinks, so the voltage doesn't matter.

I appreciate your input and experience and I hope you can appreciate mine. The voltage may not matter to the OP, but overall, in my system I wanted lower voltages throughout. Eventually, I'll pass my current Ballistix onto my girlfriend and I'll purchase some 1.3v DDR3 modules at 1333MHz and get enjoyment out of the fact that I've gone from 1.65v to 1.3 not matter how minimal the drop is.
 
LOL. Thanks everyone for taking your time in helping me decide.
But i think i am going to stick with what i have currently got until it blows up :)
Think if i am going to upgrade i may aswell wait for the 6 core processor in a years time.
 
Hopefully by then we'll actually have games that properly use multiple cores.

:D
 
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