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Diablo IV Announced at BlizzCon 2019

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Hype is real, but I do hope they will deliver. I am one of those who liked D3, but it was not perfect and Blizzard lately has not exactly... been great. BfA still pisses me off.

The graphics looks outdated. The gameplay and game mechanics look outdated. I'm glad Dark souls happened or we wouldn't get a proper evolution of the action RPG genre.

Tell that to Path of Exile players :)
Both Diablo and Souls series are RPGs, sure. But they are very different subgenres. You are not exactly hacking your way through tens of demons at once in Souls for the sake of loot.

Whatever Blizzard. No one cares about your games anymore.

I am sure that you are well aware that what you just said is just blatantly false, right?
 
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Speak for yourself people, I'm looking forward to this game!

There's no devs left at Blizzard. Prepare for a steaming pile.

was hoping there was some new starcraft continuation... :( one can hope

They had to get feedback from high level streamers for the balance patch, b/c they wanted to buff Zerg, again, and make a ton more bad decisions. There's no one left to do anything competent/coherent in that place.

If it's not a simple cash grab, then it's not happening.
 
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Who asked for this? I know I didn't. There are enough good clones that are so similar in gameplay, you'd think why you'd want to play this.
There's more to a game than just gameplay, there's the mythology behind the game, the storyline, etc. I've been a Diablo game fan going all the way back to the original.

I'd love to get my hands on a copy of Diablo 2 but I doubt I'll be able to.
 
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Ah well it looks ok but if it's just another online version like Diablo III was then they can shove it where the sun doesn't shine

I agree, the always-online aspect for a single player is really off-putting I don't want lag with my single-player experience. It was for the "AH" they said, that has been removed for ages, I don't see an offline option yet. Personally, I liked the AH but if that comes with a mandatory always-online option, they can shove it.

I also didn't appreciate the cartoony graphics, it was meant to be dark and foreboding, the maps were also never truly randomized, just a few set tiles shuffled each time, it killed the longevity of the game.

Their latest political leanings and ideologies pushing degeneracy put me off from buying anything from them ever again.
 
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There's no devs left at Blizzard. Prepare for a steaming pile.



They had to get feedback from high level streamers for the balance patch, b/c they wanted to buff Zerg, again, and make a ton more bad decisions. There's no one left to do anything competent/coherent in that place.

If it's not a simple cash grab, then it's not happening.

Yeah not expecting much from them either, never know right ? but i aint holding my breath though

There's more to a game than just gameplay, there's the mythology behind the game, the storyline, etc. I've been a Diablo game fan going all the way back to the original.

I'd love to get my hands on a copy of Diablo 2 but I doubt I'll be able to.

Which i loved the game for, my name coming from D2 for a way to name my chars so i would know who was who. But the auction house did not bother me personally it's what came after, although really the game was a fail due to the lack of randomized maps.

Aftwr putting in over 3000 hours in to it i just got tired of the need of resetting and starting again, over and over again then they made i about the rifts LOL. Which is the most boring thing to do.

No randomized maps in the default game will be a no buy for me.

Grim Dawn looks better than this to me, I'll pass. I'm just waiting on a sale then I plan to nab the expansions for Grim Dawn

Never came close for me sadly, I do plan to play it again though but hate the map in GD and on top of tha coop sucks for 2 new players playing for the story.

Although i have noticed their been a few updates which i have not checked in to yet so mayb some hope their ?, will see
 
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I'd love to get my hands on a copy of Diablo 2 but I doubt I'll be able to.
I would love a D2 remaster. Sadly there was no info about it. Yet.
 
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There's more to a game than just gameplay, there's the mythology behind the game, the storyline, etc. I've been a Diablo game fan going all the way back to the original.

Yeah, and previous games did it better in every way compared to the latest entry, I don't think they can top their own best work pre-2010. That's why they're going back to basics with remasters.

Now they're adding BS characters and McGuffins all over the place to fill in plot holes, just to be defeated later like they're nothing (I literary just bought D3ROS today and beat Act V in less than 2 hours just to make sense of the D4 trailer) and vaguely setup possible sequels, while "expanding" the lore on the Eternal Conflict and whatever else is going on in the background. IMO that's not good enough, but it's Diablo and there isn't much to stray from so the writers are limited at what they can do.

I do like watching the beautiful cinematics, but usually the games on launch aren't worth +$60 dollar price-tag. Like I did with D3, I'll wait until all of the content is released before even trying it. Most of the time I am not missing out on much.

At the time when I beat D2LoD back in 2011 (Yes I was more than 10 years late, I forgot such a game even existed, because I wasn't willing to experiment AND had to wait until I got burnt out on TES IV), I always wondered what happens next. After I played D3 not long after for the first time, I still feel like it should have ended at 2. And it's still one of the games anyone should play if they even remotely love RPGs, with D3 I couldn't give that recommendation. It's like there's something really special about it that sadly most games released today simply lack.

I won't deny there is nostalgia factor in it. I'll give one example, like how I miss the old installers and waiting for the game to install while epic music plays or you get to see screenshots of the game to hype you up,. It's a ritual, and I loved every second of it. The sound of the physical disk being read. Now I just press a button, the thing downloads uneventfully and it's over without much excitement, a completely sterile experience.

Then there's the whole thing overall, you watch the badass intro and you stay at edge of your damn seat through it all, watch the outro and have your mind blown without even having a single thought that you could be bored. Not a lot of games can pull that off, and you have that question in your mind what happens next. Maybe my attention span has dropped since then, but the last time a game made me feel like that without being attached too much was far too long ago.

I'm not disappointed they're making a fourth entry, I simply don't like how the industry is going nowadays and players are being groomed to meet game publisher expectations because a lot of people seem to not have a mind of their own, when they like to think they do.

I can't really be vocal about these types of things, it's not like my own feeling of something ever changed all that much that has happened in the last decade. There hasn't been a game that passed my expectations in more than 10 years after having a taste of the classics.

It's probably because I feel wrong when playing a re-skinned version of something that was released previously. Like I would prefer playing Unreal Tournament 99 over 2004, Morrowind over Oblivion or MechWarrior 2 and 3 over anything later just to give a few examples. There hasn't been anything revolutionary that makes me go ape s**t and remember the moments like they were just yesterday.

And this is one of the 10 main reasons I never get the games on launch. Every game franchise has it's peak and it started very early, so It's not so easy to be equal or better than what was, or maybe the majority is simply concentrated on making money and not making a better game. In a lot of cases we're getting less as years go by.

I haven't given up on TNBT that someone is secretly working on, as some devs have clearly shown that it's still possible to make something even better.

In a way I feel spoiled to have played really great games in short amount of time that we humans have and nothing so far even comes close to what I have seen and can never be re-played the same as I have for the first time.

I want another time of renaissance for games to begin, where you didn't even have a doubt in your mind a game was going to be near perfect as soon as you saw the trailer.

Everyone has their own opinion though and I feel like I said too much.
 
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There's more to a game than just gameplay, there's the mythology behind the game, the storyline, etc. I've been a Diablo game fan going all the way back to the original.

I'd love to get my hands on a copy of Diablo 2 but I doubt I'll be able to.

I thought my big box of Diablo 2 was lost to the ages - one of the many games I owned years ago that my younger brother took upon himself to raid my stored stuff at the parent's house while I was out at my freshmen year of college. So many lost games and boxes that he destroyed....

Anyway, I was going through one last big storage bin that's just been shoved to the back of my closet for the past 15 years since we moved in, I thought it was just random junk from my teenage years so I hadn't bothered to look in it, just shoved it in the back corner. To my surprise I found my Icewind Dale box (with everything in there, except the game - which I kept in my desk drawer by my computer) and my Diablo 2 box. I was happy to take the games and reconnect them with their long lost homes.

I loved me some Diablo and Diablo 2. I tried Diablo 3 when I last visited my brother's place since he has a copy.....just wasn't the same as the first two, felt kind of dumbed down. I don't have any need for getting Diablo 3 nor does it interest me that they're making a fourth.
 
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Yeah, and previous games did it better in every way compared to the latest entry, I don't think they can top their own best work pre-2010. That's why they're going back to basics with remasters.

Now they're adding BS characters and McGuffins all over the place to fill in plot holes, just to be defeated later like they're nothing (I literary just bought D3ROS today and beat Act V in less than 2 hours just to make sense of the D4 trailer) and vaguely setup possible sequels, while "expanding" the lore on the Eternal Conflict and whatever else is going on in the background. IMO that's not good enough, but it's Diablo and there isn't much to stray from so the writers are limited at what they can do.

I do like watching the beautiful cinematics, but usually the games on launch aren't worth +$60 dollar price-tag. Like I did with D3, I'll wait until all of the content is released before even trying it. Most of the time I am not missing out on much.

At the time when I beat D2LoD back in 2011 (Yes I was more than 10 years late, I forgot such a game even existed, because I wasn't willing to experiment AND had to wait until I got burnt out on TES IV), I always wondered what happens next. After I played D3 not long after for the first time, I still feel like it should have ended at 2. And it's still one of the games anyone should play if they even remotely love RPGs, with D3 I couldn't give that recommendation. It's like there's something really special about it that sadly most games released today simply lack.

I won't deny there is nostalgia factor in it. I'll give one example, like how I miss the old installers and waiting for the game to install while epic music plays or you get to see screenshots of the game to hype you up,. It's a ritual, and I loved every second of it. The sound of the physical disk being read. Now I just press a button, the thing downloads uneventfully and it's over without much excitement, a completely sterile experience.

Then there's the whole thing overall, you watch the badass intro and you stay at edge of your damn seat through it all, watch the outro and have your mind blown without even having a single thought that you could be bored. Not a lot of games can pull that off, and you have that question in your mind what happens next. Maybe my attention span has dropped since then, but the last time a game made me feel like that without being attached too much was far too long ago.

I'm not disappointed they're making a fourth entry, I simply don't like how the industry is going nowadays and players are being groomed to meet game publisher expectations because a lot of people seem to not have a mind of their own, when they like to think they do.

I can't really be vocal about these types of things, it's not like my own feeling of something ever changed all that much that has happened in the last decade. There hasn't been a game that passed my expectations in more than 10 years after having a taste of the classics.

It's probably because I feel wrong when playing a re-skinned version of something that was released previously. Like I would prefer playing Unreal Tournament 99 over 2004, Morrowind over Oblivion or MechWarrior 2 and 3 over anything later just to give a few examples. There hasn't been anything revolutionary that makes me go ape s**t and remember the moments like they were just yesterday.

And this is one of the 10 main reasons I never get the games on launch. Every game franchise has it's peak and it started very early, so It's not so easy to be equal or better than what was, or maybe the majority is simply concentrated on making money and not making a better game. In a lot of cases we're getting less as years go by.

I haven't given up on TNBT that someone is secretly working on, as some devs have clearly shown that it's still possible to make something even better.

In a way I feel spoiled to have played really great games in short amount of time that we humans have and nothing so far even comes close to what I have seen and can never be re-played the same as I have for the first time.

I want another time of renaissance for games to begin, where you didn't even have a doubt in your mind a game was going to be near perfect as soon as you saw the trailer.

Everyone has their own opinion though and I feel like I said too much.

To me it sounds more like that you either have too 'high' standards or just burned out of gaming/grew out of it and thats totally fine.

I'm also playing less than I used to but I can still enjoy various kind of games w/o being bothered by 'details'.
As long as I'm having fun with with the game nothing else matters,I don't care about game reviews or whatever else. 'and I definitely don't mix politics with my gaming time/needs like some ppl..'

Btw most ppl don't play Diablo games and this genre for the lore/story only.
Its mainly for killing endless ammounts of demons and collecting loot to make their chars stronger,come up with different builds,etc.

I know the story and even read Diablo books but thats not why I play the serie so buying the game on day 1 was worth it since it was a long term investment anyway.
 
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Never came close for me sadly, I do plan to play it again though but hate the map in GD and on top of tha coop sucks for 2 new players playing for the story.

Although i have noticed their been a few updates which i have not checked in to yet so mayb some hope their ?, will see

they have had loads of improvements, so it is worth trying again, I only do single player though so can't comment on coop. I have no issue with the map, its pretty straightforward and handholding at this point, there is always an arrow telling me which direction to go, thats enough for me /shrug

the main draw of Grim Dawn for me is the unique art style, especially if you have a well calibrated monitor, the colors make my eyes happy :D
 

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Meh, I'd just love to have a Diablo II remastered.
 
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I wish they would add RTX support. Would be so cool for this type of game while remain not terribly demanding.
 

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Whatever Blizzard. No one cares about your games anymore.
I do. Always will. I dont care their beliefs or supports. I play games because I enjoy them. Just like I eat Chick-Fil-A because I enjoy their food. I dont give a shit about their religious beliefs.

PPl need thicker skin these days.

People are dumb and are fucking sheep. Fucking get on with your life. They've apologized and made things right and explained their reasonings in detail. Move on.

Edit: For those that haven't seen. J Allen brack goes into detail in an interview regarding the Hong Kong stuff.


It should really quell the naysayers but so many people these days are so close minded and have already made hasty decisions that it won't change their mind. And j Allen actually stated what I have said all along; you brought something not related to the game that was being played, politics, and created a world wide political issue for blizzard that didn't need to happen. It was clearly stated in the rules that this was not allowed and not in spirit of the game or sport and they were punished for it. It has nothing to do with the content of the protest but rather you took focus away from the event in progress.

But let's go up and arms and protest blizz and never buy their stuff again. Seems pretty unreasonable don't you think?

Edit 2: fixed formatting. I don't know how it got so messed up. I blame me doing this on my phone
 
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We want Orcs & Humans and Warcraft II remasters... As the Command & Command and Red Alert...
 
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Yeah, and previous games did it better in every way compared to the latest entry, I don't think they can top their own best work pre-2010. That's why they're going back to basics with remasters.

True. And it's a shame that ARPG leader, most perfect game still superior in many areas, was made almost 20 years ago. Firstly, they showed something entirely different in that 2h long trailer/dev-talk (speaking of D3) then different on Blizzcon, and then everything started to change. Good ideas were rejected in favour of 'fan-service' - no matter how stupid it was. RMAH and AH could work. Should've. All-RNG itemization couldn't. Jay Wilson and Wyatt Cheng weren't the types who understand underlying mathematics behind D2 at all. Their attempts to 'explain' reason for some of their doings were purely comical.

The game was poorly tested. Very poorly. Beta included 1/3 of Act I. *That* part works the best in the game. Internal testers were garbage, and withhold knowledge about useful bugs and abuses for later exploration and RMAH gains. They turned off The Warden for D3 entirely (anti-cheating system that works decently, but is off almost the whole time). Working bots could be bought on internet, some of them even for free, and some of them very advanced - after all, a real money was involved. Even players who didn't use bots had a ways to earn money by AH->RMAH, which is OK in general, but the methods have no connection with playing the game, which was wrong.

Players were made to grind gold, 'play AH' - because RNG worked so randomly that all decent items came from Auction House. Then famous 'we can't do nothing, please wait 8 moths'. After that - RoS, bit more decent, but - Blizzard demanded 40g for fixes that should be done on the starts, or included in vanilla - no, extortion method of making players pay for replacement mechanic and fixes. I normally have no problems with buying Expansions/DLCs for games I like, but I have problem with paying for fixes. I decided *not* to buy RoS until fixes were applied to vanilla. I got kicked out from official forums. They could bite me, of course - I still have like 10 sets od WC3 keys and a number for other games. I had over 800h on account, so I wasn't whining on the first obstacle and I do know what I'm talking about.

At the same time, maybe it's worth mentioning that I played like 20,000 hours of D2 over 12 years, while having full-time job and family. So I know what I'm talking about.

I *want* D4 to be a success. But no way I'll trust Blizzard blindly - no pre-paying and waiting for launch. No trust in 'features just coming' - they *had* 2v2 Deathmatch on Blizzcon, then never released it - I know characters had preset gear, but it would be still fine - evening the field a bit, and a pool of items to select from, bit based on level.

Think this one will come not before 2021.
 
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The graphics looks outdated. The gameplay and game mechanics look outdated. I'm glad Dark souls happened or we wouldn't get a proper evolution of the action RPG genre.

Yuh know, I like the graphics, It's like they looked at the success of PoE and leaned towards its style a little. But like everyone else, I'll wait a couple of months after release before I decide whether I'm going to buy or sit out like I did D3.
 
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It should really quell the naysayers but so many people these days are so close minded and have already made hasty decisions that it won't change their mind. And j Allen actually stated what I have said all along; you brought something not related to the game that was being played, politics, and created a world wide political issue for blizzard that didn't need to happen. It was clearly stated in the rules that this was not allowed and not in spirit of the game or sport and they were punished for it. It has nothing to do with the content of the protest but rather you took focus away from the event in progress.
I'd have to agree with you, politics have no place in games. I don't know about anyone else here but when I play a game I play it to escape reality, to escape the overall crap that this world has become and immerse myself into a different world of magic and wonder. I know that that may sound a bit Disney but it is what it is, I don't want politics in the game; I play to escape that crap.
 
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Don't know about the dated graphics comments, but it looks great in 4k too me.
 
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Whatever Blizzard. No one cares about your games anymore.

Speak for yourself.

I'm more a guy who tends to reward merit. If Blizzard screws up that's a big -100 from me, and yes they did screw up not once, or twice, or three times but a string of events in the past years, starting with D3's RMAH and always-on, and WoW's dumbing down from TBC onwards. But ever since then... they really did make an honest effort to repair D3, and succeeded for a large part of the fanbase (not me, so much, but the effort was there and even I spent another hundred or two hours there enjoying myself); they did keep WoW relevant which, again, is what the fanbase wanted. Overwatch was a successful venture into moba/shooters. HotS was a good albeit failing attempt because they were simply too late. Hearthstone... not my game, but still not a bad game.

If they score again with a trailer that shows great promise and back it up with interviews telling us the right things, they've gained benefit of the doubt, for me. This is STILL a developer and company that knows how to make games and franchises that truly last. Also, a company that doesn't feed on us with yearly sequels that change little but do request a full entry fee again. Think on that - this is not a company like EA, tossing used studio's aside like garbage when they fail at impossible goals and projects.

I'd be careful with the tunnelvision because Blizzard made mistakes, tbh. All dev/pubs do and they all suffer a push from corporate money - the same hand that feeds. If Blizzard learned a lesson now and shows that, and then follows that up by backing it up with product, you'd be a fool to ignore them. There aren't many talented devs like it. Even if that Diablo cinematic trailer was a short movie it'd be comparable to top-end film. Where else do you see this in gaming? Kojima, maybe?

Irrespective of how you feel about Blizzard after the past few months, it is a bit alarming that all they showed off were sequels. I guess Overwatch paid the bills well enough that they'll wait until that goes stale too to actually try something exciting. People who remembered Diablo I and II fondly from release are now approaching grandparent age. I would hope that they would work on putting out something that isn't online multiplayer and something that isn't a sequel to my dad's cohort of games.

If Blizzard makes only sequels, you can rest assured there is no market for a successful something new that will last. When there was a gap for MOBA and simpler online competitive games, they made stuff for that. But remember that they also (and in hindsight, probably rightly so) axed an MMO sequel to WoW; and they put Starcraft Ghost (1st/3rd person SP shooter) in the fridge.

Blizzard still covers all big, relevant genres in gaming right now, with Activision handily filling the online FPS gap with CoD. Anything they'll make might cannibalize their own fanbase.

I'd have to agree with you, politics have no place in games. I don't know about anyone else here but when I play a game I play it to escape reality, to escape the overall crap that this world has become and immerse myself into a different world of magic and wonder. I know that that may sound a bit Disney but it is what it is, I don't want politics in the game; I play to escape that crap.

Not sure I agree with that. Politics is also history and the latter is a pretty big source of inspiration for games. Games, like other media entertainment have always contained links to actual events and historical ones, and in many ways it can make a game incredibly immersive. Take Call of Duty Modern Warfare and how it relates to historical and actual conflicts, for example. Is that political? Or is it also a way to make us think about those events and a way to make the game feel more real to us?

Then again, in contrast, it tends to work out badly when games are overly pushy on some sort of agenda - and that is what the recent 'politics' in games did wrong I think. Its a fine line between a wink and going too far.

Those weird protagonists in Battlefield V... too much. But this (Surviving Mars): a perfect wink

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Don't know about the dated graphics comments, but it looks great in 4k too me.

If it's not seizure inducing it's no good. I like the style, it's clearer and distinctive. ope end game is not so much attack speed that combat is an off-screening affair
 

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I do. Always will. I dont care their beliefs or supports. I play games because I enjoy them. Just like I eat Chick-Fil-A because I enjoy their food. I dont give a shit about their religious beliefs.

PPl need thicker skin these days.


People are dumb and are fucking sheep. Fucking get on with your life. They've apologized and made things right and explained their reasonings in detail. Move on.

Edit: For those that haven't seen. J Allen brack goes into detail in an interview regarding the Hong Kong stuff.


It should really quell the naysayers but so many people these days are so close minded and have already made hasty decisions that it won't change their mind. And j Allen actually stated what I have said all along; you brought something not related to the game that was being played, politics, and created a world wide political issue for blizzard that didn't need to happen. It was clearly stated in the rules that this was not allowed and not in spirit of the game or sport and they were punished for it. It has nothing to do with the content of the protest but rather you took focus away from the event in progress.

But let's go up and arms and protest blizz and never buy their stuff again. Seems pretty unreasonable don't you think?

Edit 2: fixed formatting. I don't know how it got so messed up. I blame me doing this on my phone

They made their bed now they can sleep in it, that i should forgive and forget once again, yeah screw that as only one way these big company's will learn.

As for getting on with my life, cannot say it interfered with it to start with.

As for dumb people, well they keep giving them money then cry like baby's after getting lied too.

They will have to proove they are worth supporting before they get another penny from me. And not this clapped out shit they keep releasing.
 
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