DirectX 11 Won't Define GPU Sales: NVIDIA

[PVTCaboose1337]

Extreme example: Hitler won the elections legally, which means that most people voted him. Is that going to happen again? No. Definately no.

And DX10 didn't really sold a lot of cards, based on DX. 8800 sold, but what about 8600 or HD2600 when they were released? X19xx and 79xx cards vastly outsold those cards, because the performance was better. Hence 8800 sold a lot because it offered unprecedented performance, like ability to play every game at 1920x1200 4xAA, something that not even SLI, Crossfire could do at the time for any newer games.

Extreme example 2: Well we elected Obama...

But back to the topic, remember DX10.1 vs DX10. People bought the DX10.1 equipped cards because they thought that they would not be able to play the latest and greatest games.

 

[toyo]

In the end, how many even know who nVidia are? Looking back, I remember the puzzled faces of every guy/ette I helped with the computer when I told them: "Your videocard is nVidia/ATI. It's overheating etc.". Say what? "Ah, we know Intel, we heard about them on TV. About them and Microsoft. Big, bad companies, they do big bad things. Never heard of such things as videocard or ATI/nVidia. Maybe you wanna make fun of us...". Damn I had two friends who brought their shiny laptop to me crying it won't start anymore... it had a CD loaded so it couldn't boot.
I mean, within this sea of ignorance (or we shall call it a "cloud"?) almost no one will know about these (fascinating) GPU wars. People find it hard to think these days.

 

[erocker]

Yeah and everbody thought DX10 was going to change the field of gaming. It did not, we all learnt. It's stupid to stumble into the same rock again. I know that, you know that, Nvidia knows that and AMD knows that. If anything the only dishonest voice regarding DX11 is AMD, with all the "know the future" and whatnot BS. Even when it does change how games could be made (AKA is a huge technology advancement), it won't change the gaming reality in any near future. No matter they released DX12 today with nuclear technology into it, games would still be "tweaked" DX9 games. That is the reality, DX11 means as much as DX10 did, that is 0.

Nope, that is all to be seen yet. All companies involved are guilty of crappy slogans, saying this, saying that.. whatever. We will see.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

We know everyone wont run out to buy a 58XX or a GTX380 or whatever, but whatever is at the top determines how the middle and bottle dollar is spent to some extent

 

[PVTCaboose1337]

Seeing as how 16 members are watcing, and 28 guests (44 people) we have to ask, which one of you is going to get a DX11 capable card. Just when you are giving your opinion about DX11 changing the industry or not, just put in a "PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card (or not)" and why you are buying it!

 

[Benetanegia]

We agree there... but what about PhysX? I have it... and its bullsH** yet at the same time that they downplayed dx11 they talked up PhysX and "immersive experience"... you see?

They are both full of sh**. But only one is a hypocrite.

I have Physx and I love it. Between you and me that's a 50/50 love/hate. And the thing is that Physx is something that comes appart, they don't have to make the engine any different in order to use it (you have to for DX). As long as Physx is integrated, GPU acceleration can be used or not as easily as you can change from using low detail textures to high detail textures. And Physx changes the gaming experience much much more than what a "better way of doing AA" or "look the head doesn't have edges now, but I have to not be playing to even notice it" DX features can do for me.

None of the companies are free of being hypocrite. Continuing with Physx, AMD said they would not support a propietary technology, while at the same time they were secretly working with Havok, or what it is the same Intel, to use their propietary tech.

 

[Mussels]

Seeing as how 16 members are watcing, and 28 guests (44 people) we have to ask, which one of you is going to get a DX11 capable card. Just when you are giving your opinion about DX11 changing the industry or not, just put in a "PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card"

i'll get one.

one 5850 will match the power of my 4870's, while letting me run three screens at the same time with lower power consumption.

 

[PVTCaboose1337]

i'll get one.

one 5850 will match the power of my 4870's, while letting me run three screens at the same time with lower power consumption.

Ok so you will get one not because of DX11! Or does DX11 even factor into the equation for you?

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

"PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card" after the prices drop

better feature set and lower power consumption.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Seeing as how 16 members are watcing, and 28 guests (44 people) we have to ask, which one of you is going to get a DX11 capable card. Just when you are giving your opinion about DX11 changing the industry or not, just put in a "PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card (or not)" and why you are buying it!

Ill be buying one for sure. Do I "need" one no. But for some reason I must have one. DX11 will not be utilized to its full extent until new consoles are released. Hell I have two 4850s in crossfire right now and all I play is BF2

 

[laszlo]

Extreme example 2: Well we elected Obama...

But back to the topic, remember DX10.1 vs DX10. People bought the DX10.1 equipped cards because they thought that they would not be able to play the latest and greatest games.

exactly and let's see minimum system requirement for afew new games:

Red Faction Guerilla:"Video Memory: 128 MB (ATI Radeon X1300/NVIDIA GeForce 7600)"

Wolfenstein:"Video Card: 256MB NVIDIA(R) Geforce(R) 6800 GT or ATI Radeon(TM) X800"

NFS SHIFT:"Video Card – 256 MB, with support for Pixel Shader 3.0;Supported chipsets: ATI Radeon X1800 XT 512MB or greater; NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT 256MB or greater"

so we see PS2 supported games,interesting no?

as already discussed in other thread all future game will be dx9 compatible for sure and they will run on better DX9-DX10 cards i bet

 

[Batou1986]

i will get a dx 11 capable card but im in no rush i didn't buy my current card because it was dx 11 or cuda or phsyx i bought it because it just works with no hassle and it runs smoother regardless of dx version.

all i can say is from my experience im sticking with nvidia i was an ati fanboy since the 9800 pro till i decided to upgrade roud the 3xxx series and i went through 3 cards that where either doa or artifacted and glitched in games so i bought a 9800gtx + figuring what the hell it cant be any worse.
Boy was i surprised everything just worked no more crap where some games i have to tweak the settings endlessly before it will run right, and no more glitchy drivers

 

[Mussels]

Ok so you will get one not because of DX11! Or does DX11 even factor into the equation for you?

it does. its ONE of many reasons to get one of these cards.

i tend to keep my cards for several years, and i dont like to replay games.

If i play a game with less than max graphics the first time around, i rarely bother to come back for a second time a few years later when i upgrade - so i like to be high end from the start.


That said, i have no immediate rush to update - i'll wait until i have a buyer for my cards to alleviate the cost.

 

[PVTCaboose1337]

I myself drive my cards to their death. My 7900gt lasted till I could not do what I wanted. What was what I want? Play Crysis. Can my 4850 do that? Hell yes. Can my 4850 do all I want right now? Hell yes, and more! Do I need to upgrade now? No.

 

[Batou1986]

I myself drive my cards to their death. My 7900gt lasted till I could not do what I wanted. What was what I want? Play Crysis. Can my 4850 do that? Hell yes. Can my 4850 do all I want right now? Hell yes, and more! Do I need to upgrade now? No.

Exactly bout time gfx ppl wake up and realize theirs no point to being able to run crysis or something at 16xaa with 16xaf at some ridiculous 2000x res at 150fps it looks fine with 2x aa at 1680x1050 @ 30< fps on my rig

 

[Mussels]

I myself drive my cards to their death. My 7900gt lasted till I could not do what I wanted. What was what I want? Play Crysis. Can my 4850 do that? Hell yes. Can my 4850 do all I want right now? Hell yes, and more! Do I need to upgrade now? No.

my problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock

 

[phanbuey]

my problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock

yep me too!... im jealous of the 4850 doing everything that one needs... lol my 260's dont even do that for me... i could easily double up on power and feel like it was a worthwhile investment.

And AA is key.

 

[PVTCaboose1337]

my problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock

Yeah I guess you might want to play L4D2 on max settings... OH WAIT YOU CAN'T CAUSE YOUR COUNTRY BANNED IT

Just kidding but yeah I am the same way, but the problem is I cannot afford (not much income here) to do that. In fact, I actually downgraded because I was going off to college and needed a laptop (specs to left).

 

[Batou1986]

I will agree there ive been a stickler for Vsync as of late, tho ur talking 120hz ive always had issues with skipping and stuff when games run well over 100fps especially online

 

[toyo]

I'm itching to buy one too. I can't say yet if it will be a nvidia or ATI, I'm waiting for the price battle that will take place next year.
My reasons are:
- I love tech, especially CPU/GPU stuff, if I had the money I'd probably go with fastest things available
- It will match with W7 DirectX11. Games will appear slowly...
- I hope more and more programs will take advantage of the GPU. I use the kind that's probably to do that among the 1st (design)
- I just can't wait to see it in my case, cool as spring, powerful as Niagara, silent as the Dark Knight preying on the Arkham inmates (ok, just let me dream about the cool&silent, k), 40nm process ftw
- other reasons, I could go on for ages ...

 

[Mussels]

I will agree there ive been a stickler for Vsync as of late, tho ur talking 120hz ive always had issues with skipping and stuff when games run well over 100fps especially online

thats because you have a 60Hz screen. you cant get above 60FPS on it, any higher and its.. how to explain... getting lost? going nowhere?

my point was that i got used to 120hz and 120FPS, so dropping to 60 is acceptable, but bad enough for me. dropping to 30 is not acceptable, and drives me mad.


One thing that needs to be said as well: any DX11 games being made right now, will be coded for ATI since they have those cards to test on.

What this means is that when Nvidia do launch, ATI has a head start on support and performance, as the game makes can support ATI from the early stages, whereas nvidia has to be patched in.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

my problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock

I wish my wallet could see that well

 

[TheMailMan78]

One thing that needs to be said as well: any DX11 games being made right now, will be coded for ATI since they have those cards to test on.

What this means is that when Nvidia do launch, ATI has a head start on support and performance, as the game makes can support ATI from the early stages, whereas nvidia has to be patched in.

THIS is a good point. You just sold me on the 5870

 

[HellasVagabond]

What does it matter right now who gets the first DX11 card on the market ? It will matter when the first games get released, just like it mattered with the DX10 launch.

That aside it is no secret that with Cuda/PhysX/Stereo3D NVIDIA has been trying to make a better product and that is what they are supporting, is that a bad thing ? Would i or anyone else support the opponents solution ? Did ATI ever support NVIDIAs solutions ?

Reading between the lines means nothing, the bottom line does and right now we are all arguing about the single most silly thing, which will launch a DX11 compliant card first when there is no usage for it yet.

Mussels you code a game according to the code not a card, not if that company does not invest on your project, thus it has nothing to do with who launches a card first.

 

[TheMailMan78]

What does it matter right now who gets the first DX11 card on the market ? It will matter when the first games get released, just like it mattered with the DX10 launch.

That aside it is no secret that with Cuda/PhysX/Stereo3D NVIDIA has been trying to make a better product and that is what they are supporting, is that a bad thing ? Would i or anyone else support the opponents solution ? Did ATI ever support NVIDIAs solutions ?

Reading between the lines means nothing, the bottom line does and right now we are all arguing about the single most silly thing, which will launch a DX11 compliant card first when there is no usage for it yet.

In way less than a few months DX11 games will be on the market. Your argument is null.