Every single game stutters and im getting fed up with PC gaming

Deleted member 185158 · Mar 21, 2023

Toothless said:
Yeah, no. My system specs are current and I don't have issues, same with my test bench which is also all AMD. Don't spew nonsense.

100% +rep x 1mil.

I could write a book just on NVidia, let alone Intel.

Jedec???

He's joking.... gotta be.

Solid State Soul ( SSS ) · Mar 21, 2023

ShrimpBrime said:
100% +rep x 1mil.

I could write a book just on NVidia, let alone Intel.

Jedec???

He's joking.... gotta be.

You want a plug and play experience with long term software support and developer first optimization ?

Buy intel and Nvidia, also anything above jedec spec is considered oveclocking, and that's the irony, people oveclocking the shit out of their systems, breaking reliability and consistency, then complain about broken PC ports.

I have a rig with a B chipset, and a jedec ram, let me tell you, 9 out of 10 "broken" pc games worked like charm for me, going to steam to a mixed reception about bad optimization, maybe its you guys buying half baked AMD silicon, or are breaking performance with sht overclocks and bad OC rams

Deleted member 185158 · Mar 21, 2023

Solid State Soul ( SSS ) said:
You want a plug and play experience with long term software support and developer first optimization ?

Buy intel and Nvidia, also anything above jedec spec is considered oveclocking, and that's the irony, people oveclocking the shit out of their systems, breaking reliability and consistency, then complain about broken PC ports.

I have a rig with a B chipset, and a jedec ram, let me tell you, 9 out of 10 "broken" pc games worked like charm for me, going to steam to a mixed reception about bad optimization, maybe its you guys buying half baked AMD silicon, or are breaking performance with sht overclocks and bad OC rams

Of course use case such as a work station or important business PC run defaults.
But almost ALL desktop boards cater to overclocking in some form or another. Even Intel's bottom chipsets you can "OC" memory.

_____
So, I'm "overclocking" my memory from 5200 to 6000mt/s.
The 6000mhz is still within DDR5 Jedec standard up to 6400mt/s.
I've been overclocking the memory on the same board for about a year now.....

And I have both AMD and Intel systems.
My son's gaming rig is using a board with overclocked memory which was purchased in 2018.
It's
AMD 5600G (just upgraded)
Asus ROG B450-I
16gb 3000mhz LPX purchased 2017
RTX 2060 Gpu

Some of these parts are 5+ years old.
Nothing broken.
May upgrade the Gpu to an RX 6700 XT.

Nothing is broken. The 5600G was upgraded from a (soldered) delidded 2700X.
Of which I recently sold the working 2700X as broken because of the delid.

Unfortunately, I'm no Intel or AMD fan boy. I have yet to experience broken hardware beause of OC or mixing NV with AMD or visa versa.

ThrashZone · Mar 21, 2023

stutterhelp said:
thanks for all the suggestions I will be trying them if needed

I can run Superposition benchmark High 1080p preset with RTSS locked 60fps cap Solid frametime graph the whole time zero stutters 100% consistent. So either the problem is somehow fixed, or this benchmark doesnt expose the problems im facing.. hmm

Hi,
Still waiting to hear on whether superposition was installed on the m.2 os drive or on the gaming drive
If on the os drive the issue has to be the gaming drive.

gQx · Mar 21, 2023

ShrimpBrime said:
Of course use case such as a work station or important business PC run defaults.
But almost ALL desktop boards cater to overclocking in some form or another. Even Intel's bottom chipsets you can "OC" memory.

_____
So, I'm "overclocking" my memory from 5200 to 6000mt/s.
The 6000mhz is still within DDR5 Jedec standard up to 6400mt/s.
I've been overclocking the memory on the same board for about a year now.....

And I have both AMD and Intel systems.
My son's gaming rig is using a board with overclocked memory which was purchased in 2018.
It's
AMD 5600G (just upgraded)
Asus ROG B450-I
16gb 3000mhz LPX purchased 2017
RTX 2060 Gpu

Some of these parts are 5+ years old.
Nothing broken.
May upgrade the Gpu to an RX 6700 XT.

Nothing is broken. The 5600G was upgraded from a (soldered) delidded 2700X.
Of which I recently sold the working 2700X as broken because of the delid.

Unfortunately, I'm no Intel or AMD fan boy. I have yet to experience broken hardware beause of OC or mixing NV with AMD or visa versa.

why oc ram? how much latency difference does it make with latencymon? is it really worth it

Deleted member 185158 · Mar 21, 2023

gQx said:
why oc ram? how much latency difference does it make with latencymon? is it really worth it

Overclocking increases bandwidth. Always has. Latency reduction is inherited by the OC.

Stock Ddr5, post the board defaults, latency on 12th gen Intel is as high as 90ns+. A significant reduction in latency when operating the memory faster than 4800mt/s, so I gotten 5200mt/s xmp, increased the memory to 6000mt/s.

It is "system" memory. Of course there's increase in performance, but why use only 1 single metric for measurements??

Kodehawa · Mar 21, 2023

Solid State Soul ( SSS ) said:
Just buy intel and Nvidia, AMD is an ocean of issues, stay away from oveclocking Z boards, buy B or H series boards, also don't buy ram speed higher than the proccecor JEDEC spec, do all that and pc games are smooth as butter.

I was wondering what kind of people could be behind UserBenchmark if by some stretch of the imagination it wasn't intel sponsored. Guess I have my answer.

droid-I · Mar 21, 2023

Stop spewing absolute garbage as the last three Ryzen's i've built with both nvidia and AMD GPU's have been smooth as butter

You have been lucky, use a stopwatch when you start assemble/disassemble & trouble shooting. But yes, these newer sys. are somewhat easier to get going.

Kodehawa · Mar 22, 2023

droid-I said:
You have been lucky, use a stopwatch when you start assemble/disasemmble & trouble shooting. But yes, these newer sys. are somewhat easier to get going.

To be fair I think building custom PCs does have a hair of troubleshooting pain on all platforms. I've had Intel systems without much tweaking if any and issues arise from time to time. Such is life, but at the same time it's a matter of fact with custom builds.
I don't think prebuilts are out from this, but I imagine they play it safer.

Also I've played with retro systems. Manually assigning IRQs gives me reocurring nightmares.

A Computer Guy · Mar 22, 2023

OP have you tried the 1usmus Ryzen power plan (https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/) or Windows Game mode?
Testing with these two should be relatively quick and easy to see if they have any effect - preferable on the clean install of windows.
Do you have Horizon Zero Dawn and do the stutters appear there as well can could you post the benchmark graphs for those?

phanbuey · Mar 22, 2023

gQx said:
why oc ram? how much latency difference does it make with latencymon? is it really worth it

It has the biggest impact on FPS -- much bigger than core frequency.

If you run intel ddr5 just tuning TREFI alone will net you 5-10% more fps and take you from 64ns to 54-57ns latency with much better mins. AMD ram tuning is crazy too -- you can tighten timings to get a 5200 kit to beat XMP CL6000 without much effort: look at those lows, you feel that difference - it REALLY smooths out the dips.

(8) AMD Ryzen 7000 Series [Zen 4] RAM/Memory Scaling feat. Tuned Memory - YouTube

If you combine a PBO OC that gives you lets say 5%, a ram tune that stacks another 10% on top of that, and an OS tune (disabling services, VBS, CFG etc.) you get another 5%-10% you're looking at a system that's essentially 25% faster than vanilla with much smoother mins/ less hitching and stutter.

freeagent · Mar 22, 2023

Solid State Soul ( SSS ) said:
You want a plug and play experience with long term software support and developer first optimization ?

Buy intel and Nvidia, also anything above jedec spec is considered oveclocking, and that's the irony, people oveclocking the shit out of their systems, breaking reliability and consistency, then complain about broken PC ports.

I have a rig with a B chipset, and a jedec ram, let me tell you, 9 out of 10 "broken" pc games worked like charm for me, going to steam to a mixed reception about bad optimization, maybe its you guys buying half baked AMD silicon, or are breaking performance with sht overclocks and bad OC rams

Never had a problem with my half baked AMD silicon. My Zen 3 builds have been rock solid, even after spending its life overclocked.. even moreso than my older Intel builds.

Its the new guys who don't understand what they are doing, or think they understand what they are doing that are doing the complaining. Us old guys have no problems, you should know this.

Try not to be so salty.

xu^ · Mar 22, 2023

mkppo said:
Stop spewing absolute garbage as the last three Ryzen's i've built with both nvidia and AMD GPU's have been smooth as butter.

You think intel doesn't ever have issues? Think again.

Same never had a problem with AMD CPU and nVidia, current system while nothing high end is solid, not found a game yet with any issues, yes ive also built systems with intel , i just prefer AMD currently as the platform is longer lasting than intel.

I think a lot of problems are caused by not enough research into compatibility of various parts, and poor PC maintenance, to much crud slowing it down and conflicting, but ppl are quick to blame AMD as its the easiest option.

Nater · Mar 22, 2023

Well this thread has gone to a pissing contest. -->So it was the USB Switch right? <--

Why off the tangent on wireless mice and AMD vs Intel vs nVidia e-peen?

Toothless · Mar 22, 2023

Nater said:
Well this thread has gone to a pissing contest. -->So it was the USB Switch right? <--

Why off the tangent on wireless mice and AMD vs Intel vs nVidia e-peen?

Welcome to TPU where fanboyism will always sneak up in a thread here and there.

wheresmycar · Mar 22, 2023

freeagent said:
Never had a problem with my half baked AMD silicon. My Zen 3 builds have been rock solid, even after spending its life overclocked.. even moreso than my older Intel builds.

Its the new guys who don't understand what they are doing, or think they understand what they are doing that are doing the complaining. Us old guys have no problems, you should know this.

Try not to be so salty.

don't worry i have confirmed reports he got his AMD chip from the local bakery.

I made some enquiries and the local bakery confirmed someone was going threw their trash can and took out one of their half baked "Appetizing Munchilicious Doughnuts" (can't blame him for mixing up the acronymns). Evaluation: Not so "solid state soul" afterall... more of a "Solid State HDD" (no spin, no fair play)

Mussels · Mar 22, 2023

stutterhelp said:
I built a pc with
Ryzen 2600
16gb ram
Some gigabyte motherboard
Gtx 1080
NVME
60hz monitor

I'm shocked that no one could help you out with such detailed specs

How is this thread 7 pages long, and all about unrelated crap instead of solving the damn problem?

I've made quite a few posts in variouos threads on stutter issues, but the simplest way to prevent stutter is to reset your BIOS to defaults, enable XMP (lower ram to 3200 at highest, dont go above. CPU doesnt support it without effort)
Disable PBO entirely, with your thorough description of the motherboard we might as well assume its trash tier and has thermal issues on the VRMs.

Then being a 60Hz monitor with zero information on it, run Vsync off with a 58FPS cap and uninstall any un-neccesary software and hardware until shit behaves. You can add more things back in and tweak things as you learn what they do and how.

Something as simple as dipping to 45fps on a 60Hz display with Vsync on can result in frames being massively delayed with wildly varying latency values every 2-3 frames, and i'm not in the mood for reading 7 pages of unrelated trashtalking by fanboys who've been on TPU long enough to know better to find out the actual hardware involved.

To those shit-talkers who've ruined a help thread:
Terrible experience with every X brand build? Well, the problem is likely that you aren't as good at what you do as you think you are. Within limits, any hardware can be made to work together smoothly but many people have some really stupid approaches of slapping the fastest of everything they can find, slapping power limits to max and wondering why they've started a fire.

Kodehawa said:
I was wondering what kind of people could be behind UserBenchmark if by some stretch of the imagination it wasn't intel sponsored. Guess I have my answer.

Userbench is biased to what they make money from - they have affiliate links for all the hardware they recommend. No profit margin? it loses points.

Everyones allowed to have their own views on favourite brands and whatnot, but it's pretty clear when someone learned one particular setup only, and then cant adapt to any change whatsoever. That doesn't give them permission to shit talk about those brands or products, when everyone else can manage to get them working just fine.

A Computer Guy · Mar 22, 2023

Mussels said:
I'm shocked that no one could help you out with such detailed specs

Spec later changed to ASRock B450m Pro4 & Ryzen 5600 as OP was changing out parts. Tried with GTX 1080/1060 and was going to try 5700xt.

Nater said:
Well this thread has gone to a pissing contest. -->So it was the USB Switch right? <--

Going back through the posts OP direct connected the keyboard and mouse and reported no difference.