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Future-Proof Build for Music Production and Work - Will these parts work well together?

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I build a computer once every 10 years or so (my last one was in 2011, died recently due to dust).

Parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VM6GFZ


My main focus in on quietness when idling / everyday browsing, light tasks etc.

Another goal is building a very high-end system that will serve me well for many years to come. (And possibly down the line repurpose it as a local NAS in 5 to 10 years.)


Things I will use this build for:

1. Music recording and production with condenser / dynamic microphones, and Ableton. Possibly working with larger sample and orchestral libraries down the line.
2. CAD + General daily work tasks
3. I want to experiment with local LLMs, and possibly get more into it. Nothing too heavy.
4. Some video editing (nothing too serious)
5. Some gaming (not too often... maybe a few hrs a month. Nothing serious.)

I know this build is probably way overkill... but down the line I would like the ability to do more if I need to. I take care of my stuff pretty well usually (adding 2 HEPA air filters to my room to prevent another dust issue), so I plan on putting a lot of energy into this build now, documenting it for future reference, and having a really solid desktop that will last me 5 to 10 years before I need to worry about it again.


Besides the part list, here's a list of mods I was planning to do right away to optimize for silence / convenience:

- 3D print wheels for Define 7 XL (very heavy case)
- Replace stock fans with Noctua's (NF-A14x25 G2 PWM) for a total of 3 x 140mm inlet fans, and 1 x 140mm exhaust
- Noctua front fan inlet mod: - Custom fan curves


Any parts I'm missing? Or other things I should consider or replace?
 
Your parts selection looks good for what you want from it, I really can't make a suggestion about doing it any differently from what you have in your part picker link.
Plenty of RAM for video and music editing/encoding, storage space and all else - I think you've got it covered here.
 
@QuestionAsker

Hello.

Any particular features that $500 motherboard offers that other $350-400 motherboards don't?

A Gen5 drive is basically a waste of money unless you're bottlenecked in a particular workload.

For the power supply I recommend the Corsair RM1000x v.2024.

Is an air cooler the only option?
It seems weird to buy a big case that offers a lot of space only to put a big air cooler that makes the socket area extremely crowded and inaccessible.
Not only that by using an air cooler you're creating a heat pocket, the heat is trapped in the heatsink before it's evacuated by the fans in the back of the case and then out of the case actively via the rear exhaust fan and passively through the top panel (as I understand it the top panel won't have any fans).
Look at how small an ATX build looks inside that case.
You want things to be spread out given there is space available, not crammed as close as possible to each other.

I see you're dropping some serious money on Nawk-tuah fans but is it really worth it?
On top of that the modding of the case.
Are sure about the improvements? I mean actually sure not ballparking or hoping that it will be significant, because getting involved in something that surely is time consuming and not cheap for moderate final improvements seems like a waste and potential source of frustration.
Besides the part list, here's a list of mods I was planning to do right away to optimize for silence / convenience:

- 3D print wheels for Define 7 XL (very heavy case)
- Replace stock fans with Noctua's (NF-A14x25 G2 PWM) for a total of 3 x 140mm inlet fans, and 1 x 140mm exhaust
- Noctua front fan inlet mod: - Custom fan curves
Can't comment on the feet, if they're not good then sure why not?
Those examples are of the Define 7, you're getting the XL.
You can't just expect the effects from that case to be the same for yours, the fact that it's the smaller brother doesn't mean much.

The XL's front panel looks fine with 140mm fans mounted, it doesn't look very obstructed.
Halfway through the page:

My honest opinion, get the case as is, use it for a while, see if you like it regarding acoustics and thermals and then after playing around with it and if it doesn't perform start planning for some changes.

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More over, the potential cost savings that were implied above (the Gen5 drive, the fans, possibly the mobo) could go towards something else, an UPS if perhaps you don't have one, more storage etc. there are many possibilities.
 
I agree with the Gen5 SSD opinion above. I would wait a bit more to acquire a Gen5, the new Phison controllers seem impressive but there are no drives using them yet.
I would do the following changes:
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 AI TOP. Doesn't have the pretty much useless USB4 taking 4 gen5 lines like the Pro Art, instead offers two Gen5 m2 slots without lane sharing. Also comes with two 10Gbe network ports which is surely future proofing it for content creation.
Case: Fractal Torrent. I have one with the above board and a 9950x3d and is amazing. Pretty much silent at idle with the included fans. I have the black solid one ( I dislike RGB intensely ), it comes with 2 180mm and 3 140mm fans that are pretty good, no need to buy anything else. And the Torrent is designed for airflow with air cooling.
Cooler: Use the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE. A fraction of the price of the Noctua, and pretty much the same performance, even better in some cases.

Use the money saved by using the above components to maybe go for the 9950x3d (better in all workloads compared to 9950x ) or any other acquisition as recommended above.
 
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(my last one was in 2011, died recently due to dust).
Probably just age, not dust. Even if you had a 2 inch thick blanket of dust, it most likely would be an aged component no longer able to tolerate the heat and/or current it was subjected too.

I would rather have the SeaSonic PSU you have listed than a Corsair.

mods I was planning to do right away to optimize for silence / convenience:

- 3D print wheels for Define 7 XL (very heavy case)
- Replace stock fans with Noctua's (NF-A14x25 G2 PWM) for a total of 3 x 140mm inlet fans, and 1 x 140mm exhaust

Neither makes much sense. FD's included fans are excellent (and very quiet). I recommend you give the 3 140mm FD fans that come with that excellent case a try before potentially wasting your money on expensive additional fans. If you find (AFTER actually monitoring your temps) you really NEED additional cooling, then add 1 or 2 of the overpriced Noctua fans (or even 2 more FD Fans for the price of 1 Noctua).

As for 3D print wheels, how are they going to be lighter or quieter than the sound and vibration deadening feet that come on the FD case? Do you regularly relocate your computers such that you need wheels? The cables on all 5 of the computers here only allow about 3 feet of movement.

Speaking of that FD full tower case - no way in Hell do you need a full tower case! You are only installing a standard ATX motherboard, one expansion card (the graphics card) and two SSD drives.

If you like the Define 7 XL, get the Define 7 instead. It still offers plenty of space for that full size ATX motherboard, lots of expansion card slots, lots of drive locations AND still includes the same excellent 3 x 140mm fans with lots of room to add more fans (9 total!), and supports a variety of liquid cooling systems too.

I'm doing a new build for me in the next few months and the mid tower Define 7 is already my case of choice to replace the Define 4 I am currently using in this system.
 
I would rather have the SeaSonic PSU you have listed than a Corsair.
But can he obtain it?
The Prime GX 1000 is an older model, it's no longer being made, he'll have to chase it and comb online through whatever store that may still have it.
The RM1000x is basically hot off the press, readily available, and very, very good.
Speaking of that FD full tower case - no way in Hell do you need a full tower case! You are only installing a standard ATX motherboard, one expansion card (the graphics card) and two SSD drives.

If you like the Define 7 XL, get the Define 7 instead. It still offers plenty of space for that full size ATX motherboard, lots of expansion card slots, lots of drive locations AND still includes the same excellent 3 x 140mm fans with lots of room to add more fans (9 total!), and supports a variety of liquid cooling systems too.
Agree, it's overkill, no wait it's double overkill, but if he likes it? I mean I would buy it, it's too big for my needs, but at least I won't be able to complain about lack of space.
About the Define 7, mmmhhh, yeah I don't know about those 7 slots and low ceiling. If he's okay with that then no complaints from me, but I would prefer something like the Lancool 3 even though it's probably not as quiet.
 
Your parts selection looks good for what you want from it, I really can't make a suggestion about doing it any differently from what you have in your part picker link.
Plenty of RAM for video and music editing/encoding, storage space and all else - I think you've got it covered here.
Thanks Bones!

Any particular features that $500 motherboard offers that other $350-400 motherboards don't?

I chose that ProArt x870e because of it's thunderbolt support, I might go with an Apollo Audio Interface down the line. Also it has a ton of USB connectivity that could be useful down the line as well.

A Gen5 drive is basically a waste of money unless you're bottlenecked in a particular workload.

For my application I was thinking if in the future using larger orchestral libraries (which I probably will in the near future), that those load times will be better, as well as responsiveness playing them.

Overall a smoother experience... I been thinking - true it might be only a millisecond (or 1-3 second) difference, but across various programs loading, won't it make a difference?

Also, for productivity, even 0.5 seconds or 1-3 seconds starts making a difference in workflow I think.

I see you're dropping some serious money on Nawk-tuah fans but is it really worth it?
On top of that the modding of the case.
Are sure about the improvements? I mean actually sure not ballparking or hoping that it will be significant, because getting involved in something that surely is time consuming and not cheap for moderate final improvements seems like a waste and potential source of frustration.

Can't comment on the feet, if they're not good then sure why not?

Those examples are of the Define 7, you're getting the XL.
You can't just expect the effects from that case to be the same for yours, the fact that it's the smaller brother doesn't mean much.

The XL's front panel looks fine with 140mm fans mounted, it doesn't look very obstructed.
Halfway through the page:

My honest opinion, get the case as is, use it for a while, see if you like it regarding acoustics and thermals and then after playing around with it and if it doesn't perform start planning for some changes.

My thinking was to just work on the computer in one fell swoop, do everything right the first time, versus starting another project and putting any potential fixes on this build on the backburner (and then having to wade through notes and research stuff again to jog memory).

But perhaps they aren't necessary mods. I guess it might be smarter to just build it, and then after a month or two decide if I need those extra components.

The stock fans aren't PWM, so I assume they will be louder.

Also, I might be wrong about this but... if I install everything in the build... won't going back in to do the fan mods possibly be a huge pain the ass, and require disassembly of the computer? (Maybe it's a easy fix though - I don't build computers often enough to know).


Re: Feet Wheels mod:

I live in a high-dust environment, and have carpet floors - hence why I was thinking of putting wheels on it, to raise it an extra inch or so off the ground.

Given the weight, I wanted to keep it on the ground (I don't have much desk room either. Also - I hear keeping it on the floor (beneath the desk) will be a quieter solution, versus keeping it on the desk.



I agree with the Gen5 SSD opinion above. I would wait a bit more to acquire a Gen5, the new Phison controllers seem impressive but there are no drives using them yet.
I would do the following changes:
Motherboard: Gigabyte B850 AI TOP. Doesn't have the pretty much useless USB4 taking 4 gen5 lines like the Pro Art, instead offers two Gen5 m2 slots without lane sharing. Also comes with two 10Gbe network ports which is surely future proofing it for content creation.
Case: Fractal Torrent. I have one with the above board and a 9950x3d and is amazing. Pretty much silent at idle with the included fans. I have the black solid one ( I dislike RGB intensely ), it comes with 2 180mm and 3 140mm fans that are pretty good, no need to buy anything else. And the Torrent is designed for airflow with air cooling.
Cooler: Use the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE. A fraction of the price of the Noctua, and pretty much the same performance, even better in some cases.

Use the money saved by using the above components to maybe go for the 9950x3d (better in all workloads compared to 9950x ) or any other acquisition as recommended above.

How do the Phison PS5028 thermals compare to the Samsung 9100? I hear that's what the 9100 really had going for it - it was much cooler than most other Gen 5 SSD's. I looked through that review, but didn't see anything about thermals.

Neither makes much sense. FD's included fans are excellent (and very quiet). I recommend you give the 3 140mm FD fans that come with that excellent case a try before potentially wasting your money on expensive additional fans. If you find (AFTER actually monitoring your temps) you really NEED additional cooling, then add 1 or 2 of the overpriced Noctua fans (or even 2 more FD Fans for the price of 1 Noctua).

Once the PC is built, would it be a pain in the ass to go back in and install the extra fans and do that mod?

That was my main concern with doing it during the original build.

As for 3D print wheels, how are they going to be lighter or quieter than the sound and vibration deadening feet that come on the FD case? Do you regularly relocate your computers such that you need wheels? The cables on all 5 of the computers here only allow about 3 feet of movement.

My computer will be on carpet on the floor, so there shouldn't be a dampening / vibration issue right?

Also - the wheel mod would add space between the case bottom and the floor, helping with dust prevention (and cooling), from what I understand. (I live in a high-dust environment).

Being able to wheel it around every month or few months would help with vacuuming around it I'm assuming - to help with dust prevention.

However (I assume) this mod would be easier to do once the computer is built. So I could always just do it later down the line(?)

Speaking of that FD full tower case - no way in Hell do you need a full tower case! You are only installing a standard ATX motherboard, one expansion card (the graphics card) and two SSD drives.

If you like the Define 7 XL, get the Define 7 instead. It still offers plenty of space for that full size ATX motherboard, lots of expansion card slots, lots of drive locations AND still includes the same excellent 3 x 140mm fans with lots of room to add more fans (9 total!), and supports a variety of liquid cooling systems too.

I'm doing a new build for me in the next few months and the mid tower Define 7 is already my case of choice to replace the Define 4 I am currently using in this system.

Besides taking up more space, are there any other downsides to using the Define 7 XL?

I hear a bigger case can be somewhat quieter.

Also - down the line I would like to create a local NAS, in 5 - 10 years I could use this case to house a great local NAS build. (For now I plan to use my old 2011 hackintosh to repurpose it as a local NAS. It's in a Cooler Master 932 HAF case. About the same size as the Fractal Define 7).
 
Besides taking up more space, are there any other downsides to using the Define 7 XL?
Weight. Moving bigger cases can be a pain. My Threadripper system in this massive Anidees case feels like it weights over 65lbs. Small and heavy is at least easy to move. Big and heavy can be a pain.

In terms of fans I think your overspending but that's a personal preference. There's nothing wrong with wanting top tier if you are willing to dish out the cash for it. I considered those Noctua's for my own build and and decided to limit those for CPU heatsink only and use something different for case fans since I needed more of them to fit in my budget. For comparison in the 140mm fan space the price of those two G2 Noctua's you could get 6 Phanteks M25-140 Gen2's in either normal or reverse fan blade configurations or 10 Artic P14 PWM PST 140mm fans which both support daisy chaining.

When it comes to "future proofing" and AM5 I have a love/hate relationship that mostly gravitates around expansion slot configuration and DDR5 memory support with 4 slots. If expansion slots are important to you for "future proofing" keep in mind ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI has some trade offs despite being a top tier motherboard that my limit you in what expansion cards you might want to put into your system.

** When you use both PCIEX16(G5)_1 and PCIEX16(G5)_2, they will run at x8 each.
*** PCIEX16(G5)_2 shares bandwidth with M.2_2 slot. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run at x4.

So worst in the worst case with fully loaded NVMe you have x8, x4, x4 slot configuration. In contrast with my B650, if I don't use my 3rd M.2 I can support x16, x4, x4 (at 1/4 of the price I paid then compared to the ProArt X870E pricing now) so you can see why I'm a bit miffed at AM5 offerings in that regard. In ProArt's defense it supports PCIe 5.0.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong Nvidia users, but isn't the 5060 Ti a bit too low end for CAD work? I would think the 128-bit memory bus would choke it on large CAD operations. Wouldn't a 5070/Ti be the better option?
 
How do the Phison PS5028 thermals compare to the Samsung 9100? I hear that's what the 9100 really had going for it - it was much cooler than most other Gen 5 SSD's. I looked through that review, but didn't see anything about thermals.
Not known yet as there are no production drives yet with that controller (AFAIK). That review was done using the reference implementation from Phison, which is a testing/development drive not available commercially, but the numbers looks really promising. We'll have to wait a bit more I guess.
 
Once the PC is built, would it be a pain in the ass to go back in and install the extra fans and do that mod?

That was my main concern with doing it during the original build.
It is always a pain to "go back in" after the build is complete to make hardware changes, regardless the task, or the case of choice. So sure, "IF" you would feel more comfortable with a fourth fan, then it makes sense to add it during the build, instead of after.

My main point was, and remains is the fact that Fractal Design fans are excellent, efficient, and very quiet fans. And you already paid for them as they come with the case. So it makes no technical or monetary sense to not use them. So I say save yourself $167.07 (3 x $55.69) and just buy one of those expensive Noctual NF 140mm fans and add that to the 3 excellent FD fans you will already have (and already installed) in there.

Then you can use that $167 to pay for the Windows license you will need for this new computer - since I see no Windows license in your list. Do note, OEM licenses are NOT legally transferable under any circumstances. They are inextricably tied to the "O"riginal "E"quipment. Only "full retail" licenses can legally be transferred and only if all previous installations from all other computers are uninstalled.

But can he obtain it?
Good point. My bad :oops: for failing to notice the "Buy" link on PCPP was grayed out and no prices were available.

Agree, it's overkill, no wait it's double overkill, but if he likes it? I mean I would buy it, it's too big for my needs, but at least I won't be able to complain about lack of space.
I would consider buying it too - if the price was right. Too many get hung up on power - often thinking bigger is always better. It is not.

Sure, ensuring the PSU has plenty of power to support the computer now, and in the foreseeable future is essential. And sure, you want the PSU to still have plenty of headroom for power demand spikes and to allow the PSU to run closer to 50% of capacity most of the time. This not only ensures the PSU runs at its most efficient levels, but also so that it [hopefully] will stay cool and thus be very quiet (or even silent) most of the time.

While we must size our PSUs for maximum possible demands of all components at once, it must be noted that it is EXTREMELY RARE for the CPU, GPU, motherboard, RAM, drives and fans to all be demanding maximum power at the exact same point in time. In fact, it is very rare for even the CPU and GPU to max-out demand at the same point because of how they work together - the CPU hands off tasks to the GPU.
About the Define 7, mmmhhh, yeah I don't know about those 7 slots and low ceiling.
Huh? What low ceiling? Did you compare the specs? It would seem not. :(

The Define 7 and the Define 7 XL both have the exact same maximum PSU length of 250mm (with HDD cage installed) and the exact same maximum CPU cooler height of 185mm. They have the exact same vertical GPU support of 65mm. In fact, the cases have the exact same width of 240mm.

In other words, both cases have the exact same ceiling!

The main dimension difference is simply the height. Full tower cases are great for servers that require MASSIVE storage capabilities. The Define 7 XL supports up to 18 drives!!!! Who needs 18 drives? Isn't the Define 7's "mere" :rolleyes: 14 drive capacity enough?

Oh, and the Define 7 is even 2mm wider than the Lancool III! Yes, the Lancool III has a maximum cooler height capacity of 187mm, a whole 2mm more than the Define 7s. I suspect that may be due to the very effective sound deadening/suppression lining used in the Defines. Note the OP specifically noted quietness is a priority.
 
@QuestionAsker
there isnt really much "future proofing", as newer sw might make use of things that your hw wont be able to support (encoding etc) or "wont have enough" (e.g. ram/vram), as they tend to make use of the "latest" hw,
but nothing keeps you from putting something together to keep for longer.

PWM or not has zero bearing on volume, basically until like 5-10y ago most fans were DC fans, and its not a problem,
as long as you have a decent fan that allows to be throttled (by MB).

I wouldnt waste money on Noctua, other brands can do about 80% for 2-3 time less.
and no, putting a case on the desk doesnt make it louder, but you will hear it if its not really silent.
my case is on the desk, 2ft away and you cant hear it running unless i start playing AAA games or encoding,
and i dont have a single Noctua or Nosieblocker (Blacknoise) fan anymore, as i realized they still start to get noisy when the bearing gets dirty, and since Arctic offers 6-10y warranty, i just get them replaced.

maybe look at Lian Li, the cases have good features (like sidemounting rad), and the Evo/XL is large enough to work on stuff.

and dont waste more than 20$ on a win license, worst idea ever to buy at full price, unless you care about a "manual".
TPU even offers discounts when you use the code, not sure why anyone here would even incl OS in pcpartpicker, and waste +100$ for no benefit.
 
I would consider buying it too - if the price was right. Too many get hung up on power - often thinking bigger is always better. It is not.
In that paragraph I was talking about the Define 7 XL not the PSU.
Huh? What low ceiling? Did you compare the specs? It would seem not. :(
I was talking about the clearance at the top, for an AIO or whatever. The Define 7 XL has huge clearance.
And the "7 slots" are the expansion slots, which determine how much space there will be available between the PSU cover and the GPU so that you can stick your hands inside and access the M.2 slots that are in the bottom row.
Having access means you don't have to take out the GPU when adding/replacing M.2 SSDs.
Then you can use that $167 to pay for the Windows license
Naaaahh, the toobers got him covered with discount codes for sites that sell cheap keys.
He'll pay like 20 bucks or so.
AncientGameplays, TechNotice etc.
 
I was talking about the clearance at the top, for an AIO or whatever. The Define 7 XL has huge clearance.
Sorry, but you have blinders on. You are focused totally on your own wants and desires and not the needs or requirements of the OP. :(

That's sad, and not good advice giving.

Almost NO ONE "needs" a full tower case. And for sure, the OP with his one expansion card, two SSDs, and 168mm tall, air cooler for his CPU does not either.

Yes, the 7 XL has huge clearances but the OP does not come close to needing that much.

As for radiators (which the OP has NOT said he will be using), the Define 7 supports,

Front radiator: Up to 360/280 mm​
Top radiator: Up to 360/420 mm (same as the LANCOOL, BTW)​
Bottom radiator: Up to 240/280 mm​

So please, stop trying to press your wants and desires on the OP and start providing advise that actually applies to his.

there isnt really much "future proofing"
Yeah, I agree with Waldorf. Not sure where the term "future proofing" came from. Most likely a misguided marketing term. All you can really buy for is quality and reliability to [hopefully] minimize the chances of premature failure. But even then, until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be units that fail prematurely.

Since there are 100s of HW and SW technologies in a computer, all advancing at different rates, a new protocol could come out tomorrow that is better and faster that supersedes today's protocols. Outside influences might change everything too - like some new security threat no one predicted.
 
Sorry, but you have blinders on. You are focused totally on your own wants and desires and not the needs or requirements of the OP.
That's sad, and not good advice giving.
So please, stop trying to press your wants and desires on the OP and start providing advise that actually applies to his.
You went all R. Lee Ermey over two paragraphs of mine where you've misunderstood what I was talking about!

The OP started the thread with the Define 7 XL on his list. I didn't push it on him. Yes I like the case, but I admitted it's too big for my needs.
However you brought the smaller Define 7 into discussion, and compared to the Define 7 XL I highlighted the lower ceiling clearance and less expansion slots.
How exactly does this equate to bad advice?
Maybe he wants a roomy case, who am I to question his preferences?
Just because I highlight some lesser specs/deficiencies doesn't mean I am trying to convince him to buy the wrong component.
I am trying to help him identify the aspects that might matter to him. If they don't, he'll say so.
Then you can use that $167 to pay for the Windows license.
You were the one who suggested that he wastes a non-negligible amount of money on something he can get for much cheaper!
 
I'm not debating this with you. It does not help the OP.

I highlighted the lower ceiling clearance and less expansion slots.
Yes, you repeatedly made a big deal about how much space the 7XL has, and how the 7 has a "low ceiling". All total nonsense. The OP is only using 1 expansion card.

The cost of the Windows license was not the point. It was the fact he needs a valid license to be legal.

Moving on.
 
For my application I was thinking if in the future using larger orchestral libraries (which I probably will in the near future), that those load times will be better, as well as responsiveness playing them.

Overall a smoother experience... I been thinking - true it might be only a millisecond (or 1-3 second) difference, but across various programs loading, won't it make a difference?

Also, for productivity, even 0.5 seconds or 1-3 seconds starts making a difference in workflow I think.
Fair enough. But I ask you this, do you know for sure you'll be bottlenecked?
I'm asking like a total ignorant on the subject matter, have you seen anything online that hints at this? If yes then go for the Gen5, but if no you are likely wasting money on something that you hope would make a difference.
Also about other people doing this sort of stuff, up until very recently the max they had was Gen4. Were they bottlenecked? If so, how did they overcome this, RAID0? I'm talking normal people PC, even if high end, not 10 grand command center or workstation class and all that. Again, there are plenty of people online that could post about this if it happened to them. I know I've encountered some super advanced stuff on audiophile forums. Likewise I'm expecting people producing music to share their hardware related experiences, so this sort of detail should be out in the wild.

Again all I'm saying there's nothing wrong to spend more money on something concrete, when you know what you're getting, do it! But otherwise proceed with caution.

Even better, how about you get a good Gen4 initially, along with another one (maybe slightly weaker) as secondary, use it for a while and check whether you're bottlenecked under very intensive use. You can then get a Gen5, perhaps cheaper as they will (hopefully) progressively drop in price, and the Gen4 that was the primary gets demoted to secondary and the third one used as fast storage. You do have enough M.2 slots. That way you only make a move when it's confirmed that it's necessary.
For comparison in the 140mm fan space the price of those two G2 Noctua's you could get 6 Phanteks M25-140 Gen2's in either normal or reverse fan blade configurations or 10 Artic P14 PWM PST 140mm fans which both support daisy chaining.
Thank God for other options! :D
Correct me if I'm wrong Nvidia users, but isn't the 5060 Ti a bit too low end for CAD work? I would think the 128-bit memory bus would choke it on large CAD operations. Wouldn't a 5070/Ti be the better option?
Things aren't very clear, but there are hints here and there.
About SPECworkstation the cards that appear in both sets of charts have the same scores, therefore the results are directly comparable, so both sets can be aggregated into one big set.
Oh and the Radeon cards beat the GeForce ones overall.
With that said, I have no idea how relevant these programs are to the OP.

Regarding video editing, well there is this:
Some other (older) details:
So I suppose he chose correctly? For productivity the general consensus is that nVidia is still king, AMD is still too spotty, in one test it rips in another it sinks.
 
If "future proofing" really is something that can be achieved, and is something you want, then go with the latest technologies the the latest motherboards support.

"In theory" Gen 5 SSDs can reach speeds of up to 14,000 MB/s - Gen 4 SSDs "only" ≈8,000 MB/s. That is a very significant performance difference. This improved performance means faster data transfer rates which is great for tasks involving large files, such as 4K and 8K video editing.

Will you "see" that difference in real world use? Probably not. Yes, on paper (bench mark scores) you will. But if comparing 2 otherwise identical systems in a side-by-side blind test, most likely not. At least not today. In 3, 4 or 5 years down the road? Maybe.

128GB of RAM is a HUGE amount - "today". In 3 or 4 or 5 years down the road? Maybe not. And for sure, there is no guarantee identical and/or compatible RAM will be available in 5 years. DDR6 will likely be the standard then. So even if DDR5 is available, it may harder to find and cost a lot more.

Think strategically, not tactically. That is, think long term, not "today". You want this system to last you 10 years. The faster drive will cost you what? $130 more? And $256GB of RAM will cost another $400.

Yes, $530 is a big chunk of change - "today". However, $530 / 10 years = $53 per year, $4.42 per month, or less than $0.15 per day.

BUT also, once you get past the sticker shock, and get over the buyer's remorse, you WILL be happier you spent the extra money up front instead of wishing you did every day for the next several years down the road.
 
When it comes to "future proofing" and AM5 I have a love/hate relationship that mostly gravitates around expansion slot configuration and DDR5 memory support with 4 slots. If expansion slots are important to you for "future proofing" keep in mind ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI has some trade offs despite being a top tier motherboard that my limit you in what expansion cards you might want to put into your system.

** When you use both PCIEX16(G5)_1 and PCIEX16(G5)_2, they will run at x8 each.
*** PCIEX16(G5)_2 shares bandwidth with M.2_2 slot. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run at x4.

So worst in the worst case with fully loaded NVMe you have x8, x4, x4 slot configuration. In contrast with my B650, if I don't use my 3rd M.2 I can support x16, x4, x4 (at 1/4 of the price I paid then compared to the ProArt X870E pricing now) so you can see why I'm a bit miffed at AM5 offerings in that regard. In ProArt's defense it supports PCIe 5.0.

Thanks Computer Guy - this is the first build I'm doing fully myself, so learning all about lane sharing and such.

Chatgpt has been helping me... I hope it's not hallucinating and giving me bad advice. I have to double check with the ProArt manual but here's what it recommended to me, when I told it my setup (picture attached).

It also summarized the following:

Your Gen 5 SSD (Samsung 9100) in M.2_1 uses CPU‑lanes exclusively—no conflict with GPU in PCIEX16_G5_1.

Your Gen 4 SSD (Samsung 990 Pro) should go into M.2_3 or M.2_4, so it doesn't tap any CPU Gen 5 lanes.

Final tip: Avoid using M.2_2 or PCIEX16_G5_2, and keep USB4 disabled if infrastructure doesn’t need it, to maintain full Gen 5 bandwidth for your GPU/SSD.

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So:
Samsung 9100 (Gen 5) --> M.2_1
Samsung 990 Pro (Gen 4) --> M.2_3
NVIDIA GeForce 5060 Ti GPU --> PCIEX16_G5_1
USB 4 Ports --> Avoid using M.2_2 to prevent lane sharing / reducing headroom (if utilizing high speed devices via USB 4 ports)
PCIEX16_G5_2 --> Avoid using as (PCIEX16_G5_1 and _2) are configurable as x16 when alone or x8/x8 when both used. (So bandwidth from 5060 Ti GPU would be reduced)

Would that be the proper configuration for my SSD's and GPU?

(I might have just repeated what you had written - still trying to get up to speed with all this).
 

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Yeah, I agree with Waldorf. Not sure where the term "future proofing" came from. Most likely a misguided marketing term. All you can really buy for is quality and reliability to [hopefully] minimize the chances of premature failure. But even then, until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be units that fail prematurely.

Since there are 100s of HW and SW technologies in a computer, all advancing at different rates, a new protocol could come out tomorrow that is better and faster that supersedes today's protocols. Outside influences might change everything too - like some new security threat no one predicted.
Future proofing came mainly from previous experiences of buying stuff, and compromising for a cheaper product, and then having to live with that product. Like crappy shoes, that come apart and so I trip over myself.

Granted... I should just go out and buy new ones. But I hate shopping, and once I find a product I like I tend to use it till it breaks.

I'm partially fascinated with stuff that was build to last forever - I was reading a discussion on how some military branches are still using Windows 3.1 for certain components, just because it was so streamlined and just works so well. I think in a way I'm trying to do that with this computer.


Fair enough. But I ask you this, do you know for sure you'll be bottlenecked?
I'm asking like a total ignorant on the subject matter, have you seen anything online that hints at this? If yes then go for the Gen5, but if no you are likely wasting money on something that you hope would make a difference.
Also about other people doing this sort of stuff, up until very recently the max they had was Gen4. Were they bottlenecked? If so, how did they overcome this, RAID0? I'm talking normal people PC, even if high end, not 10 grand command center or workstation class and all that. Again, there are plenty of people online that could post about this if it happened to them. I know I've encountered some super advanced stuff on audiophile forums. Likewise I'm expecting people producing music to share their hardware related experiences, so this sort of detail should be out in the wild.

Again all I'm saying there's nothing wrong to spend more money on something concrete, when you know what you're getting, do it! But otherwise proceed with caution.

Even better, how about you get a good Gen4 initially, along with another one (maybe slightly weaker) as secondary, use it for a while and check whether you're bottlenecked under very intensive use. You can then get a Gen5, perhaps cheaper as they will (hopefully) progressively drop in price, and the Gen4 that was the primary gets demoted to secondary and the third one used as fast storage. You do have enough M.2 slots. That way you only make a move when it's confirmed that it's necessary.

You're most likely right - I guess I just want to avoid going back and having to re-research stuff, and which drives to buy, etc. I'm probably overestimating how much effort it would be.

I guess I've been using slow computers so much the past few years, a part of me just wants to build the fastest thing I can, to avoid working on a slow computer again for as long as I can :D


Yes, $530 is a big chunk of change - "today". However, $530 / 10 years = $53 per year, $4.42 per month, or less than $0.15 per day.

BUT also, once you get past the sticker shock, and get over the buyer's remorse, you WILL be happier you spent the extra money up front instead of wishing you did every day for the next several years down the road.
True - I think of it in terms of: $200 - $300 is more or less a days salary in the US. So for a days salary I can get the highest end part that I should be happy with for the next 10 years. A computer is as important as a car these days - if I'm using it every day for multiple hours, why not optimize that experience?
 
Thanks Computer Guy - this is the first build I'm doing fully myself, so learning all about lane sharing and such.

Chatgpt has been helping me... I hope it's not hallucinating and giving me bad advice. I have to double check with the ProArt manual but here's what it recommended to me, when I told it my setup (picture attached).

It also summarized the following:

Your Gen 5 SSD (Samsung 9100) in M.2_1 uses CPU‑lanes exclusively—no conflict with GPU in PCIEX16_G5_1.

Your Gen 4 SSD (Samsung 990 Pro) should go into M.2_3 or M.2_4, so it doesn't tap any CPU Gen 5 lanes.

Final tip: Avoid using M.2_2 or PCIEX16_G5_2, and keep USB4 disabled if infrastructure doesn’t need it, to maintain full Gen 5 bandwidth for your GPU/SSD.

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So:
Samsung 9100 (Gen 5) --> M.2_1
Samsung 990 Pro (Gen 4) --> M.2_3
NVIDIA GeForce 5060 Ti GPU --> PCIEX16_G5_1
USB 4 Ports --> Avoid using M.2_2 to prevent lane sharing / reducing headroom (if utilizing high speed devices via USB 4 ports)
PCIEX16_G5_2 --> Avoid using as (PCIEX16_G5_1 and _2) are configurable as x16 when alone or x8/x8 when both used. (So bandwidth from 5060 Ti GPU would be reduced)

Would that be the proper configuration for my SSD's and GPU?

(I might have just repeated what you had written - still trying to get up to speed with all this).
5060 Ti is a PCI-Express 5.0 x8 interface anyway so lane sharing isn't as much of an issue in your case with the primary PCIe slot - if that is the GPU your going with.
 
Future proofing came mainly from previous experiences of buying stuff, and compromising for a cheaper product, and then having to live with that product. Like crappy shoes, that come apart and so I trip over myself.

Granted... I should just go out and buy new ones. But I hate shopping, and once I find a product I like I tend to use it till it breaks.
I hear you. I'm still driving my 15 year old F150 I bought new in 2010. Why? Because it won't die! It has less than 100,000 miles on it. It has no visible rust and the paint is still nice and shiny. It has required no major repairs. The biggest expense has been new tires. Even the rear brakes are original and still have 30% wear left on them. It won't die, serves me well (even if thirsty), and can easily exceed Nebraska's 70mph interstate speed limits. So why replace it?

You're most likely right - I guess I just want to avoid going back and having to re-research stuff
Exactly my point. And because these technologies advance rapidly and regularly, even in 3 or 4 years, there could be significant changes. This is why I recommend you buy today more RAM than you can even imagine you'll need down the road. In particular, adding RAM down the road that is compatible with existing RAM can be a real challenge. Sadly, it often requires replacing the existing RAM sticks rather than just adding more - a very expensive process.

I was reading a discussion on how some military branches are still using Windows 3.1 for certain components, just because it was so streamlined and just works so well. I think in a way I'm trying to do that with this computer.
Well, having spent 24 years, 24 days, 15 hours and 55 minutes (approximately ;)) in the military supporting IS/IT and communications systems, "because it was so streamlined" is not the reason it was not updated. Yes, these systems worked well and supported the missions as required long after their initial projected lifespan.

But I mean you are talking floppy disk days. Nothing streamlined about them. Those systems typically were/are not connected to a network that has internet access. So that makes them very secure - a major plus. But it really boils down to spending, or not spending the taxpayers money. It is expensive maintaining those systems, but upgrading would be VERY expensive - not just in developing and producing, but training personnel too. Odds are the original company is long gone. For sure, the people are. And odds are the missions have changed so dramatically, it would be starting at square 1 again.

One of the bigger problems is how Congress allocates funding to The Pentagon and other federal agencies and programs. The FAA also comes to mind here. Just tossing out arbitrary numbers for illustration purposes - Congress would rather (and can afford to) allocate $100 million every year to maintain a current system, than allocate $5 billion in 1 year to replace it. Even though, strategically, that is, in the long run, spending $5 billion today would end up saving money over the next 10 - 20 years.

Having said all that, one of main reasons they lasted so long is they were designed with military grade, military specs which most of the time means they were designed to take a beating and last.
 
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