Future-proofing my OLED

[Thimblewad]

Hey guys, it's me again! This time with a different question(or maybe a few)

I recently got myself a fancy OLED from LG.
I am well aware of the burn-in issue on OLED displays and the inevitable consequences that follow. That's why I've been taking some "drastic" measures, that should(hopefully) make my display last longer:
1. Screen brightness is set to 85, no need to have it at 100.
2. Automatic screen-saver set to 3 minutes.
3. Whenever I know I won't be using my PC for >5 minutes, I'll turn the screen off or lock my account to get that fast off.
4. I run pixel refresh every 4 or so hours of use and every night before shutting off my PC.
5. I have enabled "pixel switch" which moves pixels around left-right every once in a while.

What have you guys been doing to prevent burn-in?
How long have you had your OLED and are you experiencing burn-in?

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[Macro Device]

What have you guys been doing to prevent burn-in?

On a serious note, I'd recommend disabling game HUD whenever possible. Also leave browsing and anything work related to your old non-OLED display.

 

[Psychoholic]

The modern oleds are pretty good at mitigating burnin.
The only thing i do with mine is set my wallpaper to slideshow on a 30 min rotation, and auto-hide my taskbar in windows.
and of course windows turns off the display after 5 min of inactivity.

 

[Thimblewad]

The modern oleds are pretty good at mitigating burnin.
The only thing i do with mine is set my wallpaper to slideshow on a 30 min rotation, and auto-hide my taskbar in windows.
and of course windows turns off the display after 5 min of inactivity.

Holy shit, it feels weird to use the computer without the taskbar visible at all times... Certainly need to get used to this.
I presume then, using the "full screen" mode while browsing the web is also a good idea? It looks even weirder, feels like I'm watching a youtube video of myself typing this

 

[INSTG8R]

I mean my Alienware does the mitigations automatically when in standby after 4hrs I have it set to go off after 10 min. My best "trick" in my case Is I play alot in VR and I have the option to not have a "window" on the screen mirroring my HMD it¨s actually just a black screem so that means the pixels are "off"

 

[Thimblewad]

I mean my Alienware does the mitigations automatically when in standby after 4hrs I have it set to go off after 10 min. My best "trick" in my case Is I play alot in VR and I have the option to not have a "window" on the screen mirroring my HMD it¨s actually just a black screem so that means the pixels are "off"

Yeah, same here, the "pixel refresh" thingy runs automatically but hey, doesn't hurt to run it when I know I won't be coming back to my PC for a while, right? Right?

 

[INSTG8R]

Yeah, same here, the "pixel refresh" thingy runs automatically but hey, doesn't hurt to run it when I know I won't be coming back to my PC for a while, right? Right?

I dunno I mean mine's in standby and won't lie this is my 2nd one as I had "the first batch" and it actually had issues with the Pixel Refresh not working right so I had burn in just on the left side so you could see my pinned apps and the icons down the left side of my screen. I had a replacement in 24 hrs with newer firmware that doesn't even warn me like the orignal where you had to say do it or not. Now I just see the light flashing green so I know it¨s doing it and I still have a year left of burn in protection which I am condifent I won't need with this one. I can clearly see it's doing what it¨s supposed to
I have recently had to do a Panel Refresh which is after 1500hrs of use
If ever in doubt put up a light grey screen that is how I saw mine easily

 

[dgianstefani]

I have the white version, good monitor but you certainly need to tune the HDR settings to make colours and brightness as expected.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nothing. I left the mitigations like pixel shifting enabled, and turn it off with the remote when I'm away.

Word of caution: do NOT overuse pixel refresh/cleaning functionality, the only thing you're achieving with that is aging your panel faster. The refresh maintenance is done automatically when the monitor or TV is in standby, and this is why you should never disconnect an OLED panel from the power source when it is not in use.

I run a full pixel cleaning every 1500 to 2000 hours, I've learned to be able to tell when it "needs" it, after a couple of thousand hours the pixels feel "smudgy" in a sense, that's when I run the cleaning routine and it comes back right up. Otherwise, the panel will know when a cleaning cycle is required and will notify you of it. 4980 hours, zero image retention on my G3, although I must disclaim that while I use it as a monitor for my PC, it's at OLED brightness set to 0 at all times. It's bright enough as it is for me - and this is a MLA OLED specifically tuned for brightness output to begin with.

Please read this post, it is very informative:

Video about pixel refresh, what it actually does and if...

Not my video but I learned a lot from this video and as a new OLED owner and I found it very interesting. Some interesting information about automatic pixel refreshes that run in the background at 200 hours along with other benchmarks. Also its true, your screen really does get brighter during...

www.avsforum.com

 

[Thimblewad]

I dunno I mean mine's in standby and won't lie this is my 2nd one as I had "the first batch" and it actually had issues with the Pixel Refresh not working right so I had burn in just on the left side so you could see my pinned apps and the icons down the left side of my screen. I had a replacement in 24 hrs with newer firmware that doesn't even warn me like the orignal where you had to say do it or not. Now I just see the light flashing green so I know it¨s doing it and I still have a year left of burn in protection which I am condifent I won't need with this one. I can clearly see it's doing what it¨s supposed to
I have recently had to do a Panel Refresh which is after 1500hrs of use
If ever in doubt put up a light grey screen that is how I saw mine easily

LG is giving me a 2-year burn-in warranty. It's one of the new WOLEDs so they should be fine from what I've read online, but I wasn't really able to find burn-in tests. Also it's kind of new so people couldn't have had it for more than a year or so.

A redditor posted something about a testing being made where they left the screen on for 8 hours/day and after a year, there was no burn in. I hope it's true.

I have the white version, good monitor but you certainly need to tune the HDR settings to make colours and brightness as expected.

I just got HDR working today because of a stupid toggle in Adrenalin... So I'll be doing that very soon

Nothing. I left the mitigations like pixel shifting enabled, and turn it off with the remote when I'm away.

Word of caution: do NOT overuse pixel refresh/cleaning functionality, the only thing you're achieving with that is aging your panel faster. The refresh maintenance is done automatically when the monitor or TV is in standby, and this is why you should never disconnect an OLED panel from the power source when it is not in use.

I run a full pixel cleaning every 1500 to 2000 hours, I've learned to be able to tell when it "needs" it, after a couple of thousand hours the pixels feel "smudgy" in a sense, that's when I run the cleaning routine and it comes back right up. Otherwise, the panel will know when a cleaning cycle is required and will notify you of it. 4980 hours, zero image retention on my G3, although I must disclaim that while I use it as a monitor for my PC, it's at OLED brightness set to 0 at all times. It's bright enough as it is for me - and this is a MLA OLED specifically tuned for brightness output to begin with.

Please read this post, it is very informative:

Video about pixel refresh, what it actually does and if...

Not my video but I learned a lot from this video and as a new OLED owner and I found it very interesting. Some interesting information about automatic pixel refreshes that run in the background at 200 hours along with other benchmarks. Also its true, your screen really does get brighter during...

www.avsforum.com

Read the article, thanks! I'm never running pixel refresh again, at least not for say, 5-6 months

 

[Dr. Dro]

Read the article, thanks! I'm never running pixel refresh again, at least not for say, 5-6 months

Run it manually only if you begin to notice some image quality degradation, if it looks smudgy or cloudy, it might be time to do so. In most cases, the software on the monitor will notify you that it's time to run a cleanup. But really, even at my usage pace (and that's 10h a day+), it's something I only do every few months

 

[Thimblewad]

Run it manually only if you begin to notice some image quality degradation, if it looks smudgy or cloudy, it might be time to do so. In most cases, the software on the monitor will notify you that it's time to run a cleanup.

Well, it notified me about doing the cleaning a couple of times already, so maybe it's RS Compensation that the display is doing by itself.
Even if I click on the pixel cleaning option manually, it only takes 1-5 minutes, nowhere near the 90 minutes that the article is talking about.
So maybe I haven't "destroyed" my new display for doing this 2-3 times a day in the past week?

Still, no more manual cleaning. I'll let the display do it's thing and only use it if I see the symptoms you've described.

 

[LabRat 891]

LG ‎32GS95UV here. I was thinking just yesterday about creating a thread on the exact same topic.

Typically, I run mine at or below 50% brightness. Also, it does 'screen cleaning' everytime it goes into a sleep state. -Not sure if that is desirable, but it's the way it is out of the box, IIRC.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well, it notified me about doing the cleaning a couple of times already, so maybe it's RS Compensation that the display is doing by itself.
Even if I click on the pixel cleaning option manually, it only takes 1-5 minutes, nowhere near the 90 minutes that the article is talking about.
So maybe I haven't "destroyed" my new display for doing this 2-3 times a day in the past week?

Still, no more manual cleaning. I'll let the display do it's thing and only use it if I see the symptoms you've described.

There's a difference between the standby refresh (which takes 1-5m) to full cleaning (with wear leveling, which takes longer), but honestly, you don't need to lose any sleep over it. The monitor will warn you when it's time, and the quick refresh will be done when you turn it off - just don't disconnect it from the outlet. There was a thread about someone here complaining about issues with their OLED and it turns out they pulled the cord when the TV was off because they were concerned with vampire power and energy costs... the new OLED TV they'll have to buy costs more than what they'd save in a lifetime.

 

[LabRat 891]

There was a thread about someone here complaining about issues with their OLED and it turns out they pulled the cord when the TV was off because they were concerned with vampire power and energy costs

Legitimate concern. Dozens of sub-Watt and a handful of 1+W quiescent loads, 24hrs a day, 365 a year, adds up.

W/ a ~$1k OLED though,
I'll just leave it standby powered on my (also inefficient) always-online UPS.

 

[Harlow]

How long have you had your OLED and are you experiencing burn-in?

I've had an old 42" plasma since 2006 and the burnt in logo from watching one satellite channel has gradually faded. My first 55" OLED from 2017 is working fine and the 42" OLED from 2024 has yet to develop any faults. Stop worrying. If it gets too bad, buy a bigger better monitor. Nothing (much) lasts forever.

 

[Thimblewad]

I've had an old 42" plasma since 2006 and the burnt in logo from watching one satellite channel has gradually faded. My first 55" OLED from 2017 is working fine and the 42" OLED from 2024 has yet to develop any faults. Stop worrying. If it gets too bad, buy a bigger better monitor. Nothing (much) lasts forever.

Thanks.
I was hoping to get at least 3 years out of it. That's as much as I dare to hope it will work without problems(burn-in). You know, if your expectations are low, you're not disappointed
Anything more than than, I'll be very happy. Since the tech is still quite new, I believe only time will tell and there's no definite way of knowing how long it will last.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Thanks.
I was hoping to get at least 3 years out of it. That's as much as I dare to hope it will work without problems(burn-in). You know, if your expectations are low, you're not disappointed
Anything more than than, I'll be very happy. Since the tech is still quite new, I believe only time will tell and there's no definite way of knowing how long it will last.

Realistically it's going to last 10+ if well taken care of (no prolonged usage at max brightness with static imagery, etc). I'm still waiting for when the first signs of image retention will show on my OLED, but nothing to report at the 5000 hour mark thus far.

I can even tell you what is going to be seared onto it first: my Genshin Impact UID

 

[Thimblewad]

Realistically it's going to last 10+ if well taken care of (no prolonged usage at max brightness with static imagery, etc). I'm still waiting for when the first signs of image retention will show on my OLED, but nothing to report at the 5000 hour mark thus far.

I can even tell you what is going to be seared onto it first: my Genshin Impact UID

Well, I do have it on for 4+ hours at a time, maybe turning it off for 5-10 minutes sometime in between... I'm trying to take care of it as much as possible. It's not exactly a cheap piece of tech(for me).

I'm playing a number of different games, but I also browse the web a lot, so it's probably a good idea to hide the taskbar then and try to use it in fullscreen mode, but I can't get the damn bookmarks to work.

The thing that's gonna happen for you with Genshin will probably happen to me with the score in CS2

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Nothing. I left the mitigations like pixel shifting enabled, and turn it off with the remote when I'm away.

Word of caution: do NOT overuse pixel refresh/cleaning functionality, the only thing you're achieving with that is aging your panel faster. The refresh maintenance is done automatically when the monitor or TV is in standby, and this is why you should never disconnect an OLED panel from the power source when it is not in use.

I run a full pixel cleaning every 1500 to 2000 hours, I've learned to be able to tell when it "needs" it, after a couple of thousand hours the pixels feel "smudgy" in a sense, that's when I run the cleaning routine and it comes back right up. Otherwise, the panel will know when a cleaning cycle is required and will notify you of it. 4980 hours, zero image retention on my G3, although I must disclaim that while I use it as a monitor for my PC, it's at OLED brightness set to 0 at all times. It's bright enough as it is for me - and this is a MLA OLED specifically tuned for brightness output to begin with.

Please read this post, it is very informative:

Video about pixel refresh, what it actually does and if...

Not my video but I learned a lot from this video and as a new OLED owner and I found it very interesting. Some interesting information about automatic pixel refreshes that run in the background at 200 hours along with other benchmarks. Also its true, your screen really does get brighter during...

www.avsforum.com

Thank you for this post. As a recent adoptee of two OLED monitors (ROG Swift PG32UCDM and ROG Swift PG27AQDM) I'm still getting used to owning OLED and managing the care that comes with them. The 32" is my main monitor, while the 27" is my secondary. At the moment, I've mostly been using it for Switch gaming. And anyway, I have both monitors tuned to do pixel cleaning every 4 hours (a little popup window comes on to notify me it's time to run it) + all the other OLED care features enabled. But thanks to you, I didn't know about the dangers of overusing pixel clean/refresh. And that article you linked was very informative too. Thanks!

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well, I do have it on for 4+ hours at a time, maybe turning it off for 5-10 minutes sometime in between... I'm trying to take care of it as much as possible. It's not exactly a cheap piece of tech(for me).

I'm playing a number of different games, but I also browse the web a lot, so it's probably a good idea to hide the taskbar then and try to use it in fullscreen mode, but I can't get the damn bookmarks to work.

The thing that's gonna happen for you with Genshin will probably happen to me with the score in CS2

Yeah, it's a bit of an investment alright. It's the best upgrade you can get, really, but there's no need to turn it off every 4-5 hours, really. Just use it at your pace, you'll be okay. There is a lot of technology behind the scenes to manage and upkeep panel health.

Thank you for this post. As a recent adoptee of two OLED monitors (ROG Swift PG32UCDM and ROG Swift PG27AQDM) I'm still getting used to owning OLED and managing the care that comes with them. The 32" is my main monitor, while the 27" is my secondary. At the moment, I've mostly been using it for Switch gaming. And anyway, I have both monitors tuned to do pixel cleaning every 4 hours (a little popup window comes on to notify me it's time to run it) + all the other OLED care features enabled. But thanks to you, I didn't know about the dangers of overusing pixel clean/refresh. And that article you linked was very informative too. Thanks!

No worries. Really, LG took every possible step to ensure longevity. As long as you leave the safety features enabled, you can enjoy it like any other display. It's not like LCDs don't have reliability issues, like backlighting that goes bad or stuck pixels in the very long run

 

[Thimblewad]

Adding this here, good watch:

LG is saying you can run the cleaning cycle as much as you want, doesn't harm the panel
Also, as she says: "We still stand by our original claims, that QD-OLEDs appear less resistant than WOLEDs regarding burn-in. At least for 1st gen panels at this point."

 

[LabRat 891]

Yeah, it's a bit of an investment alright. It's the best upgrade you can get, really, but there's no need to turn it off every 4-5 hours, really. Just use it at your pace, you'll be okay. There is a lot of technology behind the scenes to manage and upkeep panel health.

I 'splurged' in the start of this year and got myself some upgrades.

2x KLEVV CRAS C910 4TB Gen4x4 2TB NVMe
Philips SHP9500
Drop SHIFT TKL Aluminum Keyboard
Attack Shark R3 Magnesium Mouse
Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro+ 24GB
LG ‎32GS95UV (after returning an ASrock PGO32UFS that died w/in a few hours of power-on)

-One of the two NVMEs cooked itself (kinda my fault, but also the drive's for not throttling; they're advertised as needing no more cooling than the included thermal spreader)
-The headphones were 'satisfactory' but not quite to my high expectations.
-The Keyboard is meh, I've bought 4 others since, and am forcing myself to settle on a Keychron K8 Pro
-The Mouse is 'great' but until I can find a cable as free-flowing as the factory one on my prev. MX518 G Legend, I'm not quite happy with it.
-The XTX (over my GRE) was a 'noticeable' improvement, but it wasn't even half of what I'd hoped for. [-and lawrdy! did it kick out heat]

The OLED OtOH, *easily* was the best value out of all the money I've spent since New Years on Technocrap.

I would describe the 'jump' from (even, a good) LCD to OLED as:
the difference between looking @ an HD camera-feed of outside,
and
looking out of a window.
[Also, OLED is very photogenic, it looks surprisingly accurate/good in pictures and video, without the artifacts that LCDs and CRTs have/had. In-photographs and video, text pages on an OLED look like a well-illuminated page out of a book, magazine, etc.]

No worries. Really, LG took every possible step to ensure longevity. As long as you leave the safety features enabled, you can enjoy it like any other display. It's not like LCDs don't have reliability issues, like backlighting that goes bad or stuck pixels in the very long run

After my incident with the ASrock, and finding out that ASrock didn't even have a manual published for the display, I went researching.
Every other company (selling in the US) utilizing LG's OLED panel, also appeared to be 'lacking support'. (no manual, incomplete product pages, etc.).
So, I decided to buy 1st party, in the hopes of better post-purchase support.
TBQH, what sold me on the LG, was LG responding to my inquiry about firmware and product support on their 31.5" Dual-Mode OLEDs, w/in mere hours.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yea, a lot of people ask me why am I going through the trouble of getting a 5090... think an exceptionally beautiful 55 inch 4K OLED... match made in heaven

 

[mechtech]

Hey guys, it's me again! This time with a different question(or maybe a few)

I recently got myself a fancy OLED from LG.
I am well aware of the burn-in issue on OLED displays and the inevitable consequences that follow. That's why I've been taking some "drastic" measures, that should(hopefully) make my display last longer:
1. Screen brightness is set to 85, no need to have it at 100.
2. Automatic screen-saver set to 3 minutes.
3. Whenever I know I won't be using my PC for >5 minutes, I'll turn the screen off or lock my account to get that fast off.
4. I run pixel refresh every 4 or so hours of use and every night before shutting off my PC.
5. I have enabled "pixel switch" which moves pixels around left-right every once in a while.

What have you guys been doing to prevent burn-in?
How long have you had your OLED and are you experiencing burn-in?

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well from your pic you need more kids then it will be the last oled you get for 20 ish years
(cause either 1. you won't have money for another or 2. no time to use it or both)

I don't have an oled - but set my screen to 120 lumens/nits whatever and have the monitor set to sleep/turn off after 10 minutes of inactivity.
and for the 120 lumens - https://tftcentral.co.uk/category/reviews
cause it's basically an accepted office brightness or something