Games Locking up on Vista

[LiveOrDie]

Well thats good to know i guess.I guess i'll just have to make due for now. Anyways i took the other stick of ram out and played some crysis for about 20 mins and it seemed to run fine.


So for now i guess am just gonna do that until i can get vista 64 bit some how. Considering my copy of vista only has the 32 bit software i guess i will have to buy another copy of vista to get the 64 bit?

All the Asus 680i board only like so types of ram like Corsair seem to work the best i've found, but brands that are not well known of, some will works and have problems or some will not even post, that why i always go with EVGA boards they work fine with my memory i use,but upgrading to Vista 64bit will not help vista 32bit can uses all 4GB of ram thats its limit, even if windows only picks up 3.2GB, games will still uses all 4GB of ram, windows only can recognize up to 4GB of memory thats your video card memory,RAM,and even bios roms, all 32bit os's have a limit of 4GB max.

 

[Fitseries3]

All the Asus 680i board only like so types of ram like Corsair seem to work the best i've found, but brands that are not well known of, some will works and have problems or some will not even post, that why i always go with EVGA boards they work fine with my memory i use,but upgrading to Vista 64bit will not help vista 32bit can uses all 4GB of ram thats its limit, even if windows only picks up 3.2GB, games will still uses all 4GB of ram, windows only can recognize up to 4GB of memory thats your video card memory,RAM,and even bios roms, all 32bit os's have a limit of 4GB max.

wrong... 32bit can only see 2.8gigs of ram and will only use up to 3.2gigs. you'll be better off with the 64bit for sure.

how much do you want for your copy of vista?

 

[Wsimp58]

Well i am positive that the 4 gigs of ram was the problem.I took the other stick out earlier today and I played crysis for about 3 hours straight with out any hiccups.

So i am assuming if i want to get the 64 bit version of vista i will have to buy a whole new vista? Becuase from what i have seen there is no way to update it over the internet.

Also, if i got vista 64 bit and added the second stick of 2gig would i see a jump in performance?


As for selling it, i dunno 150 bucks maybe, i am up for negotiating.

 

[Fitseries3]

Well i am positive that the 4 gigs of ram was the problem.I took the other stick out earlier today and I played crysis for about 3 hours straight with out any hiccups.

So i am assuming if i want to get the 64 bit version of vista i will have to buy a whole new vista? Becuase from what i have seen there is no way to update it over the internet.

Also, if i got vista 64 bit and added the second stick of 2gig would i see a jump in performance?


As for selling it, i dunno 150 bucks maybe, i am up for negotiating.

if you get the full retail version of home premium it has both 32 and 64 bit versions. i would just get the OEM version myself. thats what i have. i got it for $79.

performance increase, maybe. everything will run smoother, thats for sure. 64bit is more stable than 32bit. no viruses either.

 

[LiveOrDie]

Well i am positive that the 4 gigs of ram was the problem.I took the other stick out earlier today and I played crysis for about 3 hours straight with out any hiccups.

So i am assuming if i want to get the 64 bit version of vista i will have to buy a whole new vista? Becuase from what i have seen there is no way to update it over the internet.

Also, if i got vista 64 bit and added the second stick of 2gig would i see a jump in performance?


As for selling it, i dunno 150 bucks maybe, i am up for negotiating.

It not windows thats locking up it the board not supporting 4 stick of your ram mine evga 680i i use 4GB with no problems at all, and vista 64bit uses alot of ram because it windows in windows program to run 32bit programs there is no need to goto vista 64bit just yet, take your ram or board back and just get hardware that supports each other

 

[Fitseries3]

It not windows thats locking up it the board not supporting 4 stick of your ram mine evga 680i i use 4GB with no problems at all, and vista 64bit uses alot of ram because it windows in windows program to run 32bit programs there is no need to goto vista 64bit just yet, take your ram or board back and just get hardware that supports each other

he said he has 2x2gig sticks.

is it an asus board? if it is, get rid of it and get a gigabyte or evga.

 

[LiveOrDie]

wrong... 32bit can only see 2.8gigs of ram and will only use up to 3.2gigs. you'll be better off with the 64bit for sure.

how much do you want for your copy of vista?

WRONG yes in a way, any 32bit os can see upto 3.5GB of physical memory depending on how big your video card memory is and other hardware, because all 32bit os's are limited to 4GB if it ram or video memory, sorry did see that you were using 2gb sticks i would goto the asus site and see if your ram is supported QVL

 

[Wsimp58]

if you get the full retail version of home premium it has both 32 and 64 bit versions. i would just get the OEM version myself. thats what i have. i got it for $79.

performance increase, maybe. everything will run smoother, thats for sure. 64bit is more stable than 32bit. no viruses either.

Yeah i got the retail home premium(green box) but on the disk it says it only has the 32 bit software. Unless i am just blind and retard(possible) or it has it on the disk and doesnt say it.I can install the OEM copy on 1 comp as many times as i can correct?

yeah....it's an asus board... i dont really want to spend money on another though.

 

[alexp999]

K, now you say you have run games with only two gig and it is fine, then it is a hardware problem, running vista 64 will not solve your problem. 32bit vista can only address 2^32 of memory (i.e 32bit) which is 4GB. But this includes every bit of memory!, so you grafix card memory is included, and where vista and the graphics driver normally share some memory, bit like laptops do (if you ever go into CCC or Nvidia control Panel) you will see that it will say onboard mem, and total available mem. When my dad was using 32bit and upgraded to 4gb of ram, vista allocated itelf the max of 2.8GB and the rest was shoved over to the graphics card, it said there was about 2gb of mem available for his 8800GTS, lol!!!
Then when we updated to x64, vista could access all 4gb itself (2^64 can handle upto 17179869184 Gb in theory!!!) and then the graphics dropped to about 1.5gb now I think.
I know it is hardware conflict or problem as 32bit vista although it cant address all of it, does not have problems running with 4gb. You have a problem with either bad ram or bad compatibility of ram.
So:
1, Are the two 2gig sticks the same (i.e a kit?)
2, Do you have the latest BIOS for your mobo?
3, Try swapping the sticks around to see if you get problems, that way, if one stick is dodgy it will show up!

I'm gonna do bit of surfing, see if your board can take 2x2gig, it is quite new tech, even if it physically takes it the BIOS may not fully support it. My dad is running 4x1gb, which I think is quite common for people on 4gb.

Good luck.

 

[alexp999]

if you get the full retail version of home premium it has both 32 and 64 bit versions. i would just get the OEM version myself. thats what i have. i got it for $79.

performance increase, maybe. everything will run smoother, thats for sure. 64bit is more stable than 32bit. no viruses either.

As far as I aware only Ultimate retail comes with both 64 and 32.

But you should be able to get a 64 media from microsoft, if I can just find that link...

 

[Wsimp58]

Well this was the first computer that i have ever built myself so it is quite possible that my ram and mobo dont like each other.I got that motherboard for the SLi capability becuase i though a year or 2 down the road when software made better use of the techonlogy i could upgrade my comp without getting a new mobo.

Vista aslo recognized that i had 4 gigs of ram,But i will say removing 1 stick solved the problem so far.I really dont think the ram is bad though.If i really have to get a new mobo to get better or results i will just do that as well( i really dont want too though), along with getting the 64 bit vista and if you can find that link alex that would rock.

 

[alexp999]

Well this was the first computer that i have ever built myself so it is quite possible that my ram and mobo dont like each other.I got that motherboard for the SLi capability becuase i though a year or 2 down the road when software made better use of the techonlogy i could upgrade my comp without getting a new mobo.

Vista aslo recognized that i had 4 gigs of ram,But i will say removing 1 stick solved the problem so far.I really dont think the ram is bad though.If i really have to get a new mobo to get better or results i will just do that as well( i really dont want too though), along with getting the 64 bit vista and if you can find that link alex that would rock.

Okay, here is the link to order the 64bit media from microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx (North America)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/2057/ordermedia/default.mspx (International)

and what mobo you got?

Hope it helps.

 

[Wsimp58]

it's an Asus asus p5n-e 650 or 680 sli...i cannot rememeber right now( i am posting this from my g/fs house). Come to think of it i haven't dled the drivers for the mobo. The ram came in a kit(muskin enchanced 2gigx 2) and i honestly dont think the ram is bad,although tonight i will switch it out with the sticks to see if i have any lock ups. Thanks for all the help btw fit and alex.

 

[Wsimp58]

So....if i was to get a new mobo...whats a good one to back my 4 gigs of ram and my geforce 8800gtx 758mbs ram and my core 2 duo 3gig? I attempted to make this comp a nice gaming rig

 

[LiveOrDie]

Go for a EVGA 780i there a good board and will work with lots of brands of ram, Asus nvidia boards have all types of problems and the 8800GTX have 768MB of ram

 

[Wsimp58]

k...cool..still witht he 2 gigs of ram in this board i havent had problems since i took the other out...so when i get the money i guess i will just buy the evga board and vista 64...

 

[Wsimp58]

yeah that board is kind of expensive though . I hope it's worth it.

 

[alexp999]

it's an Asus asus p5n-e 650 or 680 sli...i cannot rememeber right now( i am posting this from my g/fs house). Come to think of it i haven't dled the drivers for the mobo. The ram came in a kit(muskin enchanced 2gigx 2) and i honestly dont think the ram is bad,although tonight i will switch it out with the sticks to see if i have any lock ups. Thanks for all the help btw fit and alex.

Okay, well the 650i is the P5N-E SLI and the 680i is the P5N32-E SLI. So lets you do have the 650i version. That is still a very good mobo and I would not even consider replacing it before you cover every avenue. According to asus site this board is capable of taking both sticks of your ram as it supports upto 8gb across 4 slots (i.e. 4x 2g sticks)

1, Now could you download the latest CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php) and when you have it running, got to the end tab (About) and click on HTML Dump, save that file somewhere and copy and paste the info as a post on here (I have included mine at the bottom of the post so you know what it should should look like. there is no personal 4, information it collects, just system info)

2, I have just checked the ASUS website, the BIOS update before last says "Enhance compatibility of certain memroy module", so I would update to the latest BIOS for your board (in the case of the 650i it is 0801 at the time of writing.) I had to update my bios for my gfx card to work, so it is always best to have the latest bios.

3, Get all the latest drivers for your hardware. But DO NOT get them from the ASUS site, they are nearly always out of date. (with exception of the BIOS) Get your drivers for the motherboard (680i or 650i) from Nvidia (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us) you can also pick up the latest drivers for your gfx card there too! on the line of drivers, you can also pick up the latest driver for your sound device (if you are using on board sound) from Realtek (http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads...=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false)

4, And any other hardware you have, make sure you get all the latest drivers. and all the latest windows updates.

If you do all of this and let me know how it goes, it would be best to try all of this on vista 32bit, then if you get the hardware working happy, THEN you can worry about accessing it all with vista 64bit.


Here is the info from the CPUZ HTML dump on my PC:

CPU-Z 1.42 report file
Processor(s)
Number of processors 1
Number of cores 2 per processor
Number of threads 2 (max 2) per processor
Name Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Code Name Conroe
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA
Family/Model/Stepping 6.F.6
Extended Family/Model 6.F
Core Stepping B2
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 2520.4 MHz
Multiplier x Bus speed 9.0 x 280.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1120.2 MHz
Stock frequency 2400 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache (per processor) 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Chipset & Memory
Northbridge VIA PT880 Pro rev. 00
Southbridge VIA VT8237A rev. 00
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x4
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Memory Frequency 350.1 MHz (4:5)
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# Latency (tCL) 4.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 4 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 4 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 12 clocks
Command Rate (CR) 2T
System
System Manufacturer To Be Filled By O.E.M.
System Name 775Dual-VSTA
System S/N To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Mainboard Vendor
Mainboard Model 775Dual-VSTA
BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS Version P3.00
BIOS Date 09/17/2007
Memory SPD
Module 1 DDR2, PC2-5300 (333 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Corsair
Module 2 DDR2, PC2-5300 (333 MHz), 1024 MBytes, Corsair
Software
Windows Version Microsoft Windows Vista (6.0) Ultimate Edition (Build 6000)
DirectX Version 10.0


Good luck.

Hope it helps.

 

[Wsimp58]

Ok sweet...well thats good news i found the box and it's a 650i so when i go back to my friends( where my comp is for now) i will do all this stuff. Should i just leave the 1 stick of 2 gig in or put the other stick in as well when i run cpu-z??

Also my i am using a creative sound card....soundblaster audiogy(sp?) 2, which from what i see on the website they have drivers for vista yet.

 

[alexp999]

Ok sweet...well thats good news i found the box and it's a 650i so when i go back to my friends( where my comp is for now) i will do all this stuff. Should i just leave the 1 stick of 2 gig in or put the other stick in as well when i run cpu-z??

Also my i am using a creative sound card....soundblaster audiogy(sp?) 2, which from what i see on the website they have drivers for vista yet.

Do you mean they do or dont have drivers? in any case they should do, my dad has the same sound card, and I got the vista drivers for him, lol!!!
And do all four things with one stick of 2gig in, and then after you have done ALL four, then try both sticks.

Let me know if you get stuck with any thing, I am on here most days, tho being in the UK, I don't coincide with the US timezone very well

Good luck.

 

[Wsimp58]

This is with 1 stick of 2 gig in.


Number of cores 2 per processor
Number of threads 2 (max 2) per processor
Name Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
Code Name Conroe
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6850 @ 3.00GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA
Family/Model/Stepping 6.F.B
Extended Family/Model 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 3000.0 MHz
Multiplier x Bus speed 9.0 x 333.3 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1333.3 MHz
Stock frequency 3000 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache (per processor) 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Chipset & Memory
Northbridge NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI SPP rev. A2
Southbridge NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI MCP rev. A3
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Memory Frequency 400.0 MHz (5:6)
CAS# Latency (tCL) 5.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 5 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 31 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 24 clocks
Command Rate (CR) 2T
System
System Manufacturer System manufacturer
System Name System Product Name
System S/N System Serial Number
Mainboard Vendor ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Mainboard Model P5N-E SLI
BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
BIOS Version ASUS P5N-E SLI ACPI BIOS Revision 0703
BIOS Date 08/09/2007
Memory SPD
Module 1 DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, Mushkin
Software
Windows Version Microsoft Windows Vista (6.0) Service Pack 1, v.668 (Build 6001)
DirectX Version 10.0

 

[Wsimp58]

Both sticks of 2 gig.

Number of processors 1
Number of cores 2 per processor
Number of threads 2 (max 2) per processor
Name Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
Code Name Conroe
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6850 @ 3.00GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA
Family/Model/Stepping 6.F.B
Extended Family/Model 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 3000.1 MHz
Multiplier x Bus speed 9.0 x 333.3 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1333.4 MHz
Stock frequency 3000 MHz
Instruction sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache (per processor) 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache (per processor) 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Chipset & Memory
Northbridge NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI SPP rev. A2
Southbridge NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI MCP rev. A3
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
Memory Frequency 400.0 MHz (5:6)
CAS# Latency (tCL) 5.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 5 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS) 31 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 24 clocks
Command Rate (CR) 2T
System
System Manufacturer System manufacturer
System Name System Product Name
System S/N System Serial Number
Mainboard Vendor ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Mainboard Model P5N-E SLI
BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
BIOS Version ASUS P5N-E SLI ACPI BIOS Revision 0703
BIOS Date 08/09/2007
Memory SPD
Module 1 DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, Mushkin
Module 2 DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, Mushkin
Software
Windows Version Microsoft Windows Vista (6.0) Service Pack 1, v.668 (Build 6001)
DirectX Version 10.0


Gonna run some games with both sticks in now to see if i get any lock ups

 

[Wsimp58]

Ok i added the 2nd stick in and played some crysis and it froze up within 20 mins. Where as with the 1 stick it ran fine.


In the ram slots, does it matter where the ram is? I.e i have 4 slots that go black,yellow, black, yellow i have the sticks sitting in the black slots.

 

[alexp999]

Ok i added the 2nd stick in and played some crysis and it froze up within 20 mins. Where as with the 1 stick it ran fine.


In the ram slots, does it matter where the ram is? I.e i have 4 slots that go black,yellow, black, yellow i have the sticks sitting in the black slots.

Okay, well according to your manual, the yellow slots are the first dimm channel, the black slots are the second dimm channel. So yes, I would definetly try the memory in the yellow slots and see how that goes, also is it just crysis or any game or app that it locks with?? Let me know how you do,

Good luck.

 

[Vincent11]

i know why it locks up on vista, because windows sucks balls & microsoft can kiss my arse and burn in hell, bunch of cunts they are, lol! just telling you like it is.