Got a new 1080 but 0 FPS change???

[Mattasd124]

I am in desperate need of help. Basically I just got a new GPU and PSU so that I could start streaming while playing games. I got and Asus GTX 1080 8gb and the EVGA G3 650w. I have an i7 - 6700k that is at stock speeds. My motherboard is the MSI b250m bazooka. I have tried OCing my CPU but my BIOS will only let me change the speed to 4.2ghz. The problem that I am having is that I get almost the same fps in Fornite and Overwatch with the my new GTX 1080 as I did with my old 1060 3gb, I don't know how this could be possible, and when I try to stream, my fps in Fornite drops to 80-120. I used DDU to delete all old drivers before installing the 1080. I have posted twice on reddit and have gotten 0 help both times. I will run any stress tests that you guys ask for and answer all questions about my PC specs. I really hope SOMEBODY can help me so that I did not just waste $600 on a GPU for nothing.

(p.s sorry for grammar)

 

[las]

You can't OC on B250, you should still see a fps increase tho. Try reinstalling Windows

 

[Mattasd124]

You can't OC on B250, you should still see a fps increase tho. Try reinstalling Windows

I reset my pc completely, reinstalled windows and new drivers. 0 change

You can't OC on B250, you should still see a fps increase tho. Try reinstalling Windows

i have been reading up on lots of forums and
I have a bad feeling about my ram being the problem.

Somebody posted this *not my writing below*
CPU is nearly always at 100% usage with the 970 or the 1070 at 60% usage, how often i was told it was a CPU bottleneck, and how so many are proved wrong below.
I’ve always played this game with low settings across the board, zero anti ailising, 75% render resolution (@1080p), and nvidia control panel putting performance above quality (forcing AF off, performance > quality etc)

With this setup I avg around 170-190 fps. When it’s calm and chill on my screen im at 300fps, teamfights etc im as low as 150/170. Random dips BELOW 120fps.

I’ve been in the school of thought that RAM speed has negligible effects on gaming. This is and has been the case for pretty much forever. Maybe it’s just Overwatch in particular, but RAM speed has a direct correlation to FPS when attempting to push and maintain 200+ FPS.

From what I can tell, no matter the system, your RAM frequency is the bottleneck when attempting to push high frame rates, possibly in any and all games as well.

I recently acquired a gtx 1070 to put into my machine. To my disappointment, I saw at most, a 10-20 fps increase in regards to my minimums/dips and avg. Utter bullcrap, SO MAD.

I overclocked my DDR3 1600 to 2133. My lowest FPS dips went from 120 to 150.
My avg fps went from 170-190 to 190-220, and i was maintaining 240+ in many situations that i wasn’t even getting 200.

Due to the positive results of my testing, I went and bought 8gb (2x4) of DDR3 2400 C11 Corsair Vengeance Pro. I slapped it into my machine, good lord the results.
My MINIMUM FPS/DIP POINTS are now 190-200. My avg is easily 240+. I decided to do a little more testing, I just now overclocked my ddr3 2400 c11 to 2666 c12. I have yet to see my FPS drop below 240. I maintain 280+ more often than not. Im sure the FPS gains/avgs/minimum will and can continue to improve.

Im not 100% sure if this is the same for ddr4. But as far as i know and can prove, ddr3 ram speed is DIRECTLY related to maximum fps for high end machines.

 

[Vya Domus]

Fornite is not that GPU intensive , I often get over 100 fps with a 1060 , the main limiting factor is the CPU. I am sure that if you were to run it at 4K with DSR you'd see a bigger improvement of sorts.

I really hope SOMEBODY can help me so that I did not just waste $600 on a GPU for nothing.

Well , dropping 600$ for a high end GPU just to play games like Fortnite and Overwatch when you already had a 1060 was not a very inspired decisions in the first place. I'll repeat it again , these games are not that demanding.

Notice how a 1080 and a Titan X gets you the same fps.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Check thermals - Is your graphics card/cpu thermal throttling?

If not reinstall nvidia drivers then attempt to push up the settings as it should reduce cpu load, you can get a cheap "z" motherboard nowadays which will work well - try ebay?

 

[dj-electric]

I play competitive overwatch and very very aware of any small changes that can happen during the game. RAM has little to no effect on my experience. I have RAM ranging from 2133 all the way to 3600.

 

[Mattasd124]

Fornite is not that GPU intensive , I often get over 100 fps with a 1060 , the main limiting factor is the CPU. I am sure that if you were to run it at 4K with DSR you'd see a bigger improvement of sorts.

It does not make sens because there are multiple streamers with similar specs as me. But for one example, there is a fortnite streamer that has the same GPU and CPU as me yet they get more fps while streaming than I do without even streaming. I might add I am using single chain of 8gb ram 1600

 

[CounterZeus]

Couple years back, an upgrade from slower DDR3 to better really upped the frame rate on older CPUs, comparable to a decent CPU OC. The story of the guy easily checks out.
However, you have a new platform with DDR4, so you cannot compare those results.

Anyway, assuming you play on 1080p, I think you are more CPU bound (that's my experience with UE4) and it's normal not to have a decent increase in fps by upgrading to a better GPU. Add streaming to that and you tax the other cores of your CPU. This will probably make your max clockspeed lower and when in a cpu limited scenario, this makes your frame rate drop...

 

[Deleted member 178884]

I play competitive overwatch and very very aware of any small changes that can happen during the game. RAM has little to no effect on my experience. I have RAM ranging from 2133 all the way to 3600.

Definitely, I'm putting it down to the cpu - being at stock speeds it wouldn't handle 1080p too well as it would overclocked

 

[RejZoR]

Check your GPU core clocks during gaming...

 

[Deleted member 178884]

It does not make sens because there are multiple streamers with similar specs as me. But for one example, there is a fortnite streamer that has the same GPU and CPU as me yet they get more fps while streaming than I do without even streaming. I might add I am using single chain of 8gb ram

I'd highly recommend a cheap z170/270 motherboard - You can overclock the cpu for more performance

Check your GPU core clocks during gaming...

Go away, gpu core clocks are irrelevant.

 

[Vya Domus]

It does not make sens because there are multiple streamers with similar specs as me. But for one example, there is a fortnite streamer that has the same GPU and CPU as me yet they get more fps while streaming than I do without even streaming. I might add I am using single chain of 8gb ram

I edited my comment with a benchmark of the game , these games are simply more CPU bound than GPU , once you go past a certain level of graphics power it makes little difference.

 

[Mattasd124]

Check thermals - Is your graphics card/cpu thermal throttling?

If not reinstall nvidia drivers then attempt to push up the settings as it should reduce cpu load, you can get a cheap "z" motherboard nowadays which will work well - try ebay?

-My thermals are fine
-I already reinstalled nvidia driver multiple times and it did nothing, I also slowly upped my settings which did increase my GPU usage but my fps stayed the same or lower.

Fornite is not that GPU intensive , I often get over 100 fps with a 1060 , the main limiting factor is the CPU. I am sure that if you were to run it at 4K with DSR you'd see a bigger improvement of sorts.



Well , dropping 600$ for a high end GPU just to play games like Fortnite and Overwatch when you already had a 1060 was not a very inspired decisions in the first place. I'll repeat it again , these games are not that demanding.

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Notice how a 1080 and a Titan X gets you the same fps.

These benchmarks were on high settings, my fps is bad when I am running all low

 

[Deleted member 178884]

-My thermals are fine
-I already reinstalled nvidia driver multiple times and it did nothing, I also slowly upped my settings which did increase my GPU usage but my fps stayed the same or lower.

Then your likely to be cpu limited, playing at 1080p means the cpu is utilised much more than the gpu - I'd highly recommend a "z" motherboard to get your cpu to around 4.7 where it should eliminate some stutter / lag

-My thermals are fine
-I already reinstalled nvidia driver multiple times and it did nothing, I also slowly upped my settings which did increase my GPU usage but my fps stayed the same or lower.


These benchmarks were on high settings, my fps is bad when I am running all low

Try running high settings? It will use the gpu more and might reduce those fps dips.

 

[Vya Domus]

These benchmarks were on high settings, my fps is bad when I am running all low

That makes it even worse. You are reducing the GPU load to an absolute minimum , therefore making the CPU an even bigger limitation. Think for a moment , if a Titan X which is roughly 2.5 times faster than a 1060 is only 50% faster in Fortnite on high , if you reduce the settings the gap will close even further.

 

[Mattasd124]

Couple years back, an upgrade from slower DDR3 to better really upped the frame rate on older CPUs, comparable to a decent CPU OC. The story of the guy easily checks out.
However, you have a new platform with DDR4, so you cannot compare those results.

Anyway, assuming you play on 1080p, I think you are more CPU bound (that's my experience with UE4) and it's normal not to have a decent increase in fps by upgrading to a better GPU. Add streaming to that and you tax the other cores of your CPU. This will probably make your max clockspeed lower and when in a cpu limited scenario, this makes your frame rate drop...

So you recommenced me getting a new MB

That makes it even worse. You are reducing the GPU load to an absolute minimum , therefore making the CPU an even bigger limitation. Think for a moment , if a Titan X which is roughly 2.5 times faster than a 1060 is only 50% faster in Fortnite on high , if you reduce the settings the gap will close even further.

I tried Medium settings and Epic settings which increased my GPU usage, but had no effect on fps

 

[Deleted member 178884]

So you recommenced me getting a new MB

I'd highly recommend it, I would never pair a "K" cpu with a locked chipset - with the "z" series motherboard you can push your cpu performance further and that will help massively at 1080p

 

[Supercrit]

Run games/benches at max settings with 1060 and try with 1080, you might see a difference.

 

[Mattasd124]

I'd highly recommend it, I would never pair a "K" cpu with a locked chipset - with the "z" series motherboard you can push your cpu performance further and that will help massively at 1080p

Ok,
So these are the specs of a streamer that can run fornite at 200-240 while streaming
CPU: i7 6700k
GPU: GTX 1080
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 8x2 gb
SSD: Samsung 840 pro

And I can run fornite at 130-200 while not streaming
If I get the same MB MY FPS will be fixed?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Ok,
So these are the specs of a streamer that can run fornite at 200-240 while streaming
CPU: i7 6700k
GPU: GTX 1080
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 8x2 gb
SSD: Samsung 840 pro

And I can run fornite at 130-200 while not streaming
If I get the same MB MY FPS will be fixed?

Like i said a z motherboard - his cpu is probably overclocked, are you using a ssd for the os?

 

[Vya Domus]

I tried Medium settings and Epic settings which increased my GPU usage, but had no effect on fps

The fps should go down if anything. This game will never run any faster than it already does on your machine which is what I am trying to explain to you , you have a lot of spare GPU power which isn't used in a game like this. Sure you can change the motherboard and OC the CPU but a stock 6700K is already pretty decent , you wont see a massive difference.

Unless you run some other GPU intensive game which still does not yield any improvement I see nothing wrong with your system. You expected too much I am afraid.

 

[Mattasd124]

Like i said a z motherboard - his cpu is probably overclocked, are you using a ssd for the os?

I have no ssd does that really matter though?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

I have no ssd does that really matter though?

Issue is he doesn't have the same specs as you, he has an ssd which should increase fps minimally and he has a z motherboard which has oc support - his cpu is probably overclocked. It shouldn't matter too much, what monitor are you using?

 

[Mattasd124]

The fps should go down if anything. This game will never run any faster than it already does on your machine which is what I am trying to explain to you , you have a lot of spare GPU power which isn't used in a game like this. Sure you can change the motherboard and OC the CPU but a stock 6700K is already pretty decent , you wont see a massive difference.

Unless you run some other GPU intensive game which still does not yield any improvement I see nothing wrong with your system. You expected too much I am afraid.

Well can you explain to me how my fps is so much lower than someone with similar specs. Think about it your telling me my fps cannot drastically get higher with the hardware I currently have yet someone with very similar hardware gets 100fps more. What is the flaw here?

Issue is he doesn't have the same specs as you, he has an ssd which should increase fps minimally and he has a z motherboard which has oc support - his cpu is probably overclocked. It shouldn't matter too much, what monitor are you using?

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Well can you explain to me how my fps is so much lower than someone with similar specs. Think about it your telling me my fps cannot drastically get higher with the hardware I currently have yet someone with very similar hardware gets 100fps more. What is the flaw here?


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Issue is he doesn't have the same specs as you, he has an ssd which should increase fps minimally and he has a z motherboard which has oc support - his cpu is probably overclocked. It shouldn't matter too much, what monitor are you using?

I tried streaming earlier and was getting 110 fps yet he gets 210-240
So lets review
-New MB
-Consider ssd

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Sorry but that frame rate is normal - he is using a ssd so will have slight more fps.