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Maybe people are too el33T to spell it that way. ever think of that.??? :rockout:
 
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Maybe people are too el33T to spell it that way. ever think of that.??? :rockout:
It was actually for the OP. But I see with no quote, no one would ever know lol. Sorry, drink responsibly folks.
 
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Personally I get a kick from making the most of a budget. What's so exciting about spending $4k ?!, you get a machine that maxes everything ... well ... daah. One don't have to game at ultra detail 4k 144hz to enjoy a game. And I can tell you this a lot of those elitist that try to shame others still live in their parents basement driving their parents 300k miles Civic.

That's inline with my own observations: It's usually the poor who are obsessed with luxury consumerism.

I know actual millionaires; they are thrifty and already had their egos satifisfied by their bank accounts. They don't need petty status symbols like PCs for reinforcement.

Also. judging the wealth of someone by the car they drive its a pretty bad take.
 
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:clap: Hey the Honda Civic is a good car. My parents had one at one time.
 
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I'm of the mindset if it makes you happy or it's the best you can do that should be good enough for everyone else too.
But unfortunately there are some that have an E-Peen stuck up their ass and apparently not afraid to show it.

I've been there, making do with what I've got and was lucky to even have that, now it's different for me yet I haven't forgotten how it was.
Still have the old setup I was running an older AM3 dual core (Athlon II X270) in a sub-par mini-ATX board and it got the job done for a very long time.

I also believe I know where this comes from and it's high time it gets the attention it deserves. I mean asking questions as to "Why" you got a pre-built instead of a DIY type build is one thing but you really can't question one's circumstances either since no matter what you have to say, it doesn't change a damn thing about it. If you're generous enough to offer higher-end items or even builds on your own dime, that's great but I seriously doubt that's gonna happen.
Not everyone has a tree with dollar bills for leaves out back - I sure don't but if you do, rake up a few for me and I won't complain if they are in a plastic lawn and garden bag when you send them.

So....
Those that want to bash, why not offer a few of the parts left over from your last build/setup, I mean you're not using them any more.... Right?
Not everyone can do upgrades on a regular basis or cycle, it's go with what you've got and make it work.

As for money, it's not always how much you've got but how you use it.
 
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That's inline with my own observations: It's usually the poor who are obsessed with luxury consumerism.

I know actual millionaires; they are thrifty and already had their egos satifisfied by their bank accounts. They don't need petty status symbols like PCs for reinforcement.

Also. judging the wealth of someone by the car they drive its a pretty bad take.
The car comment wasn't about judging wealth my point was investing your money into things that are more important in life. And even then not my place to judge what anyone should do with their money. Hell if 3090 makes you happy go for it but don't use it put down others.
 
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Devil's advocate: don't we need people who are willing to pay top dollar for the latest and greatest so it succeeds and becomes cheaper?
My 2 cents? You've got a point. However, 54thVoid's point was the ridicule, which is not ok. No one should be insulted or harassed for having a system that is not super powerful or even current tech. We are a community made up of users in a wide variety of socioeconomic situations. As a community, it is our place to welcome all, to render input and assistance where it is needed.

Therefore, if some users do not understand or accept the value of making tech last as long as the user needs it to, they should just keep their harsh and elitists statements to themselves rather than making people feel bad about their tech, which has the effect of making them feel unwelcome. That is not ok.
 

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I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.
If you think tpu is bad
I have several 144hz 1920 monitor's Several 8 gig cards a few 6 and 8 core systems no way do i consider myself elitist :)
not when you consider literally all my kit comes to me second hand or 3/4 hand.
being a skinflint and ex hoarder i value all tech and always look for the cheap Bargin.

Unfortunatlly re the Current Electronics market S/h kit is now almost as expensive as when it was new and harder to find.
Yep that's exactly what a pc elitist would say.
 
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I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.
What do you expect you don't even have a discrete GPU. < sarcasm

100% Agree, its in consoles now as well, there is a band of people on gamefaqs mocking people who chose to buy a Series S instead of a Series X.
How about people dissing consoles in general ... Only 30 fps blah blah balh. I've never been into consoles but I can't dispute the value of getting xbox one x for $160 for my son. Pair that thing with game pass and off you go.
 
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I get the feeling that I am not liked on this forum. It seems like every time I say something I get ripped apart. But I do what I do and I believe in my tech as everything I have done has worked for me to date.
The trick is to not read most of the responses to your own rant/may-cause-controversy posts unless you feel like a protracted debate/internet fight. We people on the internet can nitpick and squabble over technicalities til coronavirii stop mutating, but in the end all it does is satiate some stupid desire to argue. I mean, we've been doing this shit since baud modems, and like baud modems, it all gets old and not much is accomplished for your time. IMHO, in today's society, feelings are getting too important, it seems people are just ready to get mad, too. Trolls abound, fishing for validation of their victim status. Alas, the insecure always outnumber the secure.

You just keep being you. People will always have differences of opinion. You’re here because you like tech just as much as everyone here.
You're one of the members on this forum I've read hundreds and hundreds of posts of, all goes back to me liking your name lol. I'm also a longtime TW junkie (I still play Shogun 1, modded ofc). Anyway, you've almost always been nice to folks and your viewpoints are those of a rational, thinking human being. I usually find myself agreeing with what you say. Not trying to cuddle or anything, but forums need more regulars like you. You post often, yet you are not an overposter. That, IMHO, is very hard to accomplish. There's some regulars in this forum I'd love to get into a barfight with and maybe pull off an arm, but I'd def buy you a drink.

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Now, hardware elitism. This is some real shit, and it's always flowing in the undercurrents of every forum driven by hardware of any sort, occasionally breaching the surface like volcanic activity. I know this, because I was once one of those people in the early aughts, when I was younger and had more time to argue on the interweb. Talking shit like a fool. I started with automotive and ended with PC hardware. It's pervasive in the minds of some to the point where the post of one with nice PC hardware (or engine, car, truck etc) on profile will be taken better than that of one with older hardware (or unironic hoopty), even if the "peasant"s post is objectively more useful. I didn't know this mindset actually existed until 2006 when I finally joined the high-end on PC for the first time with Conroe. All of a sudden, my posts got more attention on sites where I had my gear listed, and yeah, I was shitting on those with Netburst and laughing at those that thought their K8 X2 were still the bee's knees. Then, 2 years later, I was catching shit for still being on Kentsfield instead of Bloomsfield i7 and beyond. I quit listing my PC hardware on tech site profiles and caring what people thought of my old shit that still worked _great_ for what I needed to do. I'm used to it, I only drive cars and trucks that were built before airbags, still do. When you really look at it, it's just overkill for your _needs_.

Now, there's always been people who make fun of others for their modest circumstances. And well, buying shit you don't need drives the economy. But there happens to be a very large percentage of regulars on forums who do precisely that - buying the latest and greatest so they can proudly wave the flag in the next "owner's" thread and dispense their magnanimous wisdom upon the plebs. That's great, good for you for making it, but it's not going to last, and it really doesn't matter. It's all rather petty, after all in the end. And, well, we're all literally full of shit. Be humble.
 
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What do you expect you don't even have a discrete GPU.
And this is the kind of comment that 54thVoid was talking about and people very much need to keep to themselves.

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If your PC meets your needs and you're happy with it, carry on. You're system is fine.
 
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Trolls abound, fishing for validation of their victim status. Alas, the insecure always outnumber the secure.
You've hit the nail right on the head with this one. Playing the victim or flaunting the latest and greatest have one thing in common. Insecurity.
 
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Totally agree with OP. I have to admit that I think that my rig is a budget rig (AMD 3600/16GB/1080 Ti), it still packs quite a punch and I'm more than happy with this.

And you just don't have always to crank the graphics up, I can play with lower details as long a game doesn't look bad and it runs fine.
 
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Totally agree with OP. I have to admit that I think that my rig is a budget rig (AMD 3600/16GB/1080 Ti), it still packs quite a punch and I'm more than happy with this.

And you just don't have always to crank the graphics up, I can play with lower details as long a game doesn't look bad and it runs fine.
Considering I used to be on a GT 610 and Pentium G620 all my life, the rig I have now is more than enough and am very grateful to even have it.
 
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Well, I really hate to be that guy with controversial or counter-intuitive opinions, but here are few points that are on completely oppose end of the spectrum.
1) Most of the threads where people get bashed for having low-end hardware usually start with OPs unrealistic expectations of said hardware.
E.g. "why can't I play Crysis 3 on my 9600GT?" or "why is Youtube being stupid on GMA x4500?", "How can I make my 2005 CompaQ run faster?".
2) There are many situations where getting new hardware is unavoidable. Usually the conflict arises when OP still firmly believes that a complete upgrade is unnecessary, or makes an excuse of "having no access" to cheap hardware in his country, when in fact he or she does (there were many threads on TPU, in which a person was too lazy to look for it, or too stubborn to admit his mistake that he/she just sticks with the narrative). Some of my customers also like sob stories, thinking that somehow it would change the essence of the problem and the resulting outcome. Though, most stories fall apart as soon as they pull out their shiny iPhone XR to write down my contact info.
3) Using older hardware for as long as it lasts is a good thing, as long as it serves its purpose. Though, in most such cases people buy hardware (I mean buying today, not 10 years ago) with only one thought in mind - lowest possible price. Basically, instead of making considerations before purchase, they get the cheapest stuff and then offload solving all nuances on random strangers from the internet.

All three points are too familiar to me, because I run a tiny workshop in a not-so-financially-or-politically-stable country. I have to deal with this on a daily basis, and some people just need a blunt reality check. This includes even my technically educated but still ridiculously stupid partner, who needs to get slapped every time he thinks an SSD and moar RAM will solve any issue.
Every once in awhile I get customers who'd bring a dust-ridded Core2Duo desktop which at the time of its creation was built out of cheapest possible parts, and people don't understand that recapping an old LGA775 board costs about the same as getting a SandyBridge combo, or that their old 17" 4:3 monitor costs less than a single replacement capacitor in its PSU. Yes, there are enthusiasts that just like to tinker with old hardware, but there are also lots of less-than-intelligent scrooges that firmly believe that they can buy a random $50 PC and then just ask around for "magic sauce" that will make it run like modern PC. I lost count of how many times, especially since pandemic started, some random douche would pop into my workshop with beat-up Core2Duo or worse - single-core Sempron PC that's been stewing in a basement for the past 10 years with nasty wererats and evil cucarachas, and then asks "Well, can't you just pop-in some more RAM and do your computer ju-ju, so my kids could watch youtube and play minecraft?". My response to that is never pretty and in some stubborn cases contains lots of explicit words, but in 99% of cases it works and within an hour or two a person leaves with a PC that will last another 5-6 years and it's not a fire hazard. The remaining 1% leave, still firmly believing that their trash buckets still have "untapped potential" and I'm yet another greedy bastard that tries to con him/her out of hard earned cash. Yes... evil me... :D


As far as I know, we don't have "hardware elitists" amongst regular TPU members. If anything, this community teaches newcomers to like and be enthusiastic about old hardware.
 

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I got harassed on another website because as a 3090 owner i'm just a richboy using dads wallet who doesnt appreciate hardware


nevermind that i'm approaching 40 and worked for it -.-

People just suck overall, be it attacking people with less than them, defending bad products just because they bought them too, or echoing something with zero understanding of what it really means (bottleneck! CPU matters less at high res so game at 4k on a sempron!)
 
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Every once in awhile I get customers who'd bring a dust-ridded Core2Duo desktop which at the time of its creation was built out of cheapest possible parts, and people don't understand that recapping an old LGA775 board costs about the same as getting a SandyBridge combo, or that their old 17" 4:3 monitor costs less than a single replacement capacitor in its PSU. Yes, there are enthusiasts that just like to tinker with old hardware, but there are also lots of less-than-intelligent scrooges that firmly believe that they can buy a random $50 PC and then just ask around for "magic sauce" that will make it run like modern PC. I lost count of how many times, especially since pandemic started, some random douche would pop into my workshop with beat-up Core2Duo or worse - single-core Sempron PC that's been stewing in a basement for the past 10 years with nasty wererats and evil cucarachas, and then asks "Well, can't you just pop-in some more RAM and do your computer ju-ju, so my kids could watch youtube and play minecraft?". My response to that is never pretty and in some stubborn cases contains lots of explicit words, but in 99% of cases it works and within an hour or two a person leaves with a PC that will last another 5-6 years and it's not a fire hazard. The remaining 1% leave, still firmly believing that their trash buckets still have "untapped potential" and I'm yet another greedy bastard that tries to con him/her out of hard earned cash. Yes... evil me... :D

Those are the same customers who bring their car to the workshop with a split right through the engine block and rats nest wiring harness and saying "just fix the engine light, don't upsell me".

Not that it's dumb, really, because it's acceptable to ask for something unintelligent. But when they get mad and throw a hissy fit when told by a professional that it's a write-off? That's the epitome of DUMB.
 
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People just suck overall, be it attacking people with less than them, defending bad products just because they bought them too, or echoing something with zero understanding of what it really means (bottleneck! CPU matters less at high res so game at 4k on a sempron!)
Right, so the opposite of that would be, no matter the hardware you have, share the (informed & experienced/referenced) knowledge you have on it!
That is welcome.
 
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Smart buying isn't to be mocked. And whoever is pleased with 1080P maxed out or even medium with 60FPS or above and has no intention on overspending is just a sensible consumer. Elitism is a bad attitude in ALL aspects of life.

This 1000x This.

The only people I mock with regards to purchases are those who are clearly more interested in epeening with it than actually doing something with it. Anywhere else I think the value of good advice is exactly what you're saying: Buy Smart. Hardware goes old fast. Spending too big on it is usually a mistake unless you know it's going to last, or you're going to need every drop of performance you can get.

OTOH if you WANT to spend big, by all means... but with great spending comes great responsibility to not become an asshole, as I think this topic clearly underlines :D Somehow there is some correlation there between money and asshole-factor.

Well, I really hate to be that guy with controversial or counter-intuitive opinions, but here are few points that are on completely oppose end of the spectrum.
1) Most of the threads where people get bashed for having low-end hardware usually start with OPs unrealistic expectations of said hardware.
E.g. "why can't I play Crysis 3 on my 9600GT?" or "why is Youtube being stupid on GMA x4500?", "How can I make my 2005 CompaQ run faster?".
2) There are many situations where getting new hardware is unavoidable. Usually the conflict arises when OP still firmly believes that a complete upgrade is unnecessary, or makes an excuse of "having no access" to cheap hardware in his country, when in fact he or she does (there were many threads on TPU, in which a person was too lazy to look for it, or too stubborn to admit his mistake that he/she just sticks with the narrative). Some of my customers also like sob stories, thinking that somehow it would change the essence of the problem and the resulting outcome. Though, most stories fall apart as soon as they pull out their shiny iPhone XR to write down my contact info.
3) Using older hardware for as long as it lasts is a good thing, as long as it serves its purpose. Though, in most such cases people buy hardware (I mean buying today, not 10 years ago) with only one thought in mind - lowest possible price. Basically, instead of making considerations before purchase, they get the cheapest stuff and then offload solving all nuances on random strangers from the internet.

All three points are too familiar to me, because I run a tiny workshop in a not-so-financially-or-politically-stable country. I have to deal with this on a daily basis, and some people just need a blunt reality check. This includes even my technically educated but still ridiculously stupid partner, who needs to get slapped every time he thinks an SSD and moar RAM will solve any issue.
Every once in awhile I get customers who'd bring a dust-ridded Core2Duo desktop which at the time of its creation was built out of cheapest possible parts, and people don't understand that recapping an old LGA775 board costs about the same as getting a SandyBridge combo, or that their old 17" 4:3 monitor costs less than a single replacement capacitor in its PSU. Yes, there are enthusiasts that just like to tinker with old hardware, but there are also lots of less-than-intelligent scrooges that firmly believe that they can buy a random $50 PC and then just ask around for "magic sauce" that will make it run like modern PC. I lost count of how many times, especially since pandemic started, some random douche would pop into my workshop with beat-up Core2Duo or worse - single-core Sempron PC that's been stewing in a basement for the past 10 years with nasty wererats and evil cucarachas, and then asks "Well, can't you just pop-in some more RAM and do your computer ju-ju, so my kids could watch youtube and play minecraft?". My response to that is never pretty and in some stubborn cases contains lots of explicit words, but in 99% of cases it works and within an hour or two a person leaves with a PC that will last another 5-6 years and it's not a fire hazard. The remaining 1% leave, still firmly believing that their trash buckets still have "untapped potential" and I'm yet another greedy bastard that tries to con him/her out of hard earned cash. Yes... evil me... :D


As far as I know, we don't have "hardware elitists" amongst regular TPU members. If anything, this community teaches newcomers to like and be enthusiastic about old hardware.

Another nail on the head. This is the other end of the spectrum. There are many instances and examples where 'being cheap' is in fact much more expensive in the long run and a single solid investment can not only last longer but also work better doing so. Many times this applies to improving an aged system. Old hardware isn't always quite so cheap to fix.
 
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And this is the kind of comment that 54thVoid was talking about and people very much needs to keep to themselves.

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If your PC meets your needs and you're happy with it, carry on. You're system is fine.
And this is the kind of comment that 54thVoid was talking about and people very much need to keep to themselves.

@Atomic77
If your PC meets your needs and you're happy with it, carry on. You're system is fine.
I thought was obvious that was sarcasm ... oh well.
 
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Those are the same customers who bring their car to the workshop with a split right through the engine block and rats nest wiring harness and saying "just fix the engine light, don't upsell me".

Not that it's dumb, really, because it's acceptable to ask for something unintelligent. But when they get mad and throw a hissy fit when told by a professional that it's a write-off? That's the epitome of DUMB.
In some cases you really have to be careful with what you ask for.
In this instance, "Fixing the engine light" can take on the meaning of anything from actually fixing the reason why it's coming on to removing the engine light bulb so you never see it again.
 
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Much needed to be said. I enjoy playing around with a tight budget and getting the cheaper goods. I only have splurged recently myself (6800xt) when the last time I purchased such a GPU was never.

Some people just feel the need to be rude for no apparent reason.

I got harassed on another website because as a 3090 owner i'm just a richboy using dads wallet who doesnt appreciate hardware


nevermind that i'm approaching 40 and worked for it -.-

People just suck overall, be it attacking people with less than them, defending bad products just because they bought them too, or echoing something with zero understanding of what it really means (bottleneck! CPU matters less at high res so game at 4k on a sempron!)
Listen rich boy..... Buy me a 3090 as well. Please get Dads credit card.
 
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