Have AIOs killed custom loops?

[lexluthermiester]

Well according to yourself and others, heat pipes have water and boils it and is essentially water cooling.

So, it's actually on topic then.
That means I deny the end you want to request because when I requested it 2 pages back, was denied. K, fair game.

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I do have a hyper 212 and 108mp camera on my phone, if need be break out the old dlsr camera.

Time is my only concern.

I'll cut that bitch open running 150w or something, but I don't think It will handle a 13700K in the first place. Board is on the bench horizontal. That would suffice orientation.

Would rather do something constructive honestly than bicker back and forth.

Will it cool differently?
Will we see a vapor escape after the tube pressurizes?
Will temps sky rocker?
How many coolers can I test. I got 2 only.

That would very interesting to find out. I predict a very swift overheat.

 

[67Elco]

I wonder if that would work? Ever tried it?

Just popped in my head. I would not be against testing it though.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

That would very interesting to find out. I predict a very swift overheat.

Let me make sure I didn't pitch it. Cleaned up a lot of stuff last year. I do have an amd heat pipe cooler as well. 2 of em actually.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just popped in my head. I would not be against testing it though.

Fair enough. Would not be so eager here, but that's me. Mineral Oil? I've tried that. It works decently.

 

[67Elco]

Fair enough. Would not be so eager here, but that's me. Mineral Oil? I've tried that. It works decently.

Thinking DOT 4 is pretty much Mineral oil, but there is some ingredient that makes it favorable to rubber. If you ever pop the top off of an older master cylinder and check the rubber gasket you will see what I mean.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Thinking DOT 4 is pretty much Mineral oil, but there is some ingredient that makes it favorable to rubber. If you ever pop the top off of an older master cylinder and check the rubber gasket you will see what I mean.

I did not know that about DOT4. Perhaps it would indeed work well as a loop fluid.

 

[freeagent]

I would run it to the point of the tubes being on the verge of dry out and then snip

Doing it in the cold of the garage might actually be beneficial with a 300w load

 

[67Elco]

I did not know that about DOT4. Perhaps it would indeed work well as a loop fluid.

It has a higher boiling point than regular mineral oil, but it is hygroscopic. I don't see that as being a huge issue in a closed system. I was mainly viewing it as a non-issue for the o-rings in pumps and fittings. The only unknown variable for me is the ability of the pumps to circulate it without struggling.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The only unknown variable for me is the ability of the pumps to circulate it without struggling.

Dual custom pumps would improve flow.

 

[DR4G00N]

Will it cool differently?
Will we see a vapor escape after the tube pressurizes?
Will temps sky rocker?

The temp will increase once the fluid evaporates completely. The vapor chamber on one of my MI25's sprung a leak and water started bubbling out when it was hot, I haven't tried using it since but I assume it's probably not going to do as well.

Thinking DOT 4 is pretty much Mineral oil

DOT 4 is Glycol based just like DOT 3, 5.1 & 6

DOT 5 is the only Silicone based brake fluid.

Also I'd just like to point out that brake fluid is specifically designed to resist heat so it'll probably cool very poorly.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Just to answer the op question, no AIO's did not kill custom loops.

Custom loops have never been the best option for 95% of the market. They're too complicated, too much risk of failure, too much maintenance for the average user to bother with.

 

[damric]

This reminds me that recently I pulled two of my older Coolermaster coolers out of storage. I have a TPC-612 and TPC-812. They are pretty badass because of the humongous vapor chambers, so I'm not sure why they never caught on (probably expensive because so much copper). The 812 is kind of huge but not as big as many of the really big air coolers you see nowadays. The 612 is more interesting to me because it's only as big as a hyper 212, but that thing can really soak heat.

 

[gurusmi]

Thinking DOT 4 is pretty much Mineral oil, but there is some ingredient that makes it favorable to rubber. If you ever pop the top off of an older master cylinder and check the rubber gasket you will see what I mean.

But you know that only EPDM and ZMT has a smaller portion of rubber mixed in? Or did you forgot that? The other soft (i.e. clear types) tubes don't cosist rubber anyway. Just to remember you: We do not talk about brake systems in a car. We do talk about about PC cooliing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

But you know that only EPDM and ZMT has a smaller portion of rubber mixed in? Or did you forgot that? The other soft (i.e. clear types) tubes don't cosist rubber anyway. Just to remember you: We do not talk about brake systems in a car. We do talk about about PC cooliing.

We were talking about using DOT4 as a cooling fluid. Sooo...

 

[67Elco]

Also I'd just like to point out that brake fluid is specifically designed to resist heat so it'll probably cool very poorly.

Well, you could probably make the same argument about water at some point. Water alone in a automotive radiator performs rather poorly unless there is a percentage of antifreeze added to the mixture...it raises the boiling point. Just because you made it more resistant to heat does not diminish it's capacity to transfer thermals...boiling liquid with the accompanying air bubbles absolutely does. At any rate it would cost virtually nothing to test the difference if any with a old AIO.

 

[thesmokingman]

Well, you could probably make the same argument about water at some point. Water alone in a automotive radiator performs rather poorly unless there is a percentage of antifreeze added to the mixture...it raises the boiling point. Just because you made it more resistant to heat does not diminish it's capacity to transfer thermals...boiling liquid with the accompanying air bubbles absolutely does. At any rate it would cost virtually nothing to test the difference if any with a old AIO.

This question has been answer many times over the last two decades. Water is best for our purposes. No need to rehash this silliness again and again. That said an auto coolant/distilled mix of 10%-50% coolant/water works pretty darn good and gives us protection from biologicals and corrosion.

 

[gurusmi]

We were talking about using DOT4 as a cooling fluid. Sooo...

And that changes the fact that there is nearby ecept some seals and a bit inside the softtubes no rubber in a PC cooling system?

 

[xmanrigger]

I did not know that about DOT4. Perhaps it would indeed work well as a loop fluid.

Not sure how that would work out. It would have to be an air tight loop. Brake fluid acts as a desiccant. Not sure how the fluid would look or perform over time.

 

[Flyordie]

Just answering the OP- For me, still using a custom loop for my TR system.

X399 Monoblock covering the VRMs and CPU, 120mm EKWB XE rad, EK D5 PWM w/ combo glass res. I actually haven't done any maintenance to it for nearly 2 years now. Lost maybe a cup of coolant due to evap but beyond that its been sealed. Using EK Cryo clear concentrate.

 

[gurusmi]

Just answering the OP- For me, still using a custom loop for my TR system.

X399 Monoblock covering the VRMs and CPU, 120mm EKWB XE rad, EK D5 PWM w/ combo glass res. I actually haven't done any maintenance to it for nearly 2 years now. Lost maybe a cup of coolant due to evap but beyond that its been sealed. Using EK Cryo clear concentrate.

Same experience here for the last 4 years.

 

[67Elco]

This question has been answer many times over the last two decades. Water is best for our purposes. No need to rehash this silliness again and again. That said an auto coolant/distilled mix of 10%-50% coolant/water works pretty darn good and gives us protection from biologicals and corrosion.

So, you have tested DOT 4 or know someone who has? If not, then this particular question has likely not been answered over the last two decades. Seems the "silliness" part comes in when the robots take over and experimentation is deemed unacceptable.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Custom loop is as safe as you make it. If you are not a handyman, better do not build it. IMO it is easier to control (check for defects), repair and is upgradeable and configurable.

AIO is a black box, which of course can perform well for long years and is safer for people with both left hands.

 

[67Elco]

Not sure how that would work out. It would have to be an air tight loop. Brake fluid acts as a desiccant. Not sure how the fluid would look or perform over time.

I would think that a normal water cooling loop is just as if not more air tight than a automotive brake system. The only way to tell is to try it. I would venture a guess that 99% of the vehicles you see on the road have never had the brake fluid exchanged/replaced regardless of the age or mileage...so, there is that for longevity lol.

 

[taka]

Hold on a second you want to use hydraulic oil to cool a loop? is the water pump up to the taks? Most oil systems i know use filters so you plan to use one?
I realy want to see this done out of pure curiosity.

 

[67Elco]

Hold on a second you want to use hydraulic oil to cool a loop? is the water pump up to the taks? Most oil systems i know use filters so you plan to use one?
I realy want to see this done out of pure curiosity.

If I had a AIO on hand I would try it in a minute. To be clear, we were talking about brake fluid...not certain if it specifically has been tested before.