Help for choosing a CPU with RTX 3070 FE

[evernessince]

This guy goes into the B560 power limit starting @ the 2:40 mark in this vid.

Your question was "How would a B560 board hamper the 10700F?", the linked video refers to a 11400F. Makes sense, pairing a mid-range CPU with a mid-range board.

Reasons why 10700F is better than 10400F:

_Spending 100usd more to get 5-10% more performance is well worth it for a 2000usd rig (well the 3070 alone is 1500usd LOL).
_The performance gap between 6 cores and 8 cores CPU will continue to rise in the future, since newer games will utilize more cores.
_There is really no need to waste money upgrading to any Intel 10th or 11th gen CPU from 10700F. If you bought 10400F now then sell it to buy 10900F in the future, you will have to fork out 200usd for 5-10% higher FPS than an 10700F. Save some cash now only to spend more later is not an ideal solution, especially since OP can afford the 10700F.

And any B560 or H570 board can handle 10700F just fine in gaming, there is no need to spend extra for VRM since these 8 cores CPUs only use 80-100W during gaming. If OP is using his rig for rendering or production he would be better off with a 3900X anyways.

PS: 10700F is only 270usd on amazon right now.

First off, single thread the 10700K stock uses 113w

Intel Core i7-10700K processor review (Page 5)

A review that has been overdue is the 8-core Core i7-10700K processor from Intel. The 10th generation Intel Core desktop processors previously known as CML aka Comet Lake has been received with mixed ...

www.guru3d.com

Multi-thread is 248w. Assuming that gaming is between those figures, your watt estimate vastly under-estimates power consumption.

"Spending 100usd more to get 5-10% more performance is well worth it for a 2000usd rig (well the 3070 alone is 1500usd LOL)."

He's getting 0% extra performance at 1440p with a 75hz monitor. Consider the use case. Even if he had a 144z monitor, at 1440p the difference between the 10400F and 10700K is nill.

"The performance gap between 6 cores and 8 cores CPU will continue to rise in the future, since newer games will utilize more cores."

At that point you can take the $100+ he saved and buy another CPU at the same tier as the 10400F and get more core and more IPC. There's also the proceeds from his current CPU.

"There is really no need to waste money upgrading to any Intel 10th or 11th gen CPU from 10700F. If you bought 10400F now then sell it to buy 10900F in the future, you will have to fork out 200usd for 5-10% higher FPS than an"

No one is recommending that course of action. You'd buy whichever CPU, motherboard combo is the best value at the time. If he wanted to upgrade on the same motherboard AMD is the far better choice as AMD's 5000 series thrashes Intel in all respects, especially core count.

What's wasting money is spending $100+ extra on a processor that will provide no benefit to the OP. When games start requiring 8 cores the OP can easily take the money he's saved and buy whatever new gear is out at the time.

Wise upgrading is about getting the best value for your money and taking the savings and upgrading more frequently. That way you get the benefit of CPUs designed for modern games instead of hoping that a CPU will be adequate in the future. If the 7700K is any indication of future performance, it's plain to see frequent upgrades between the best bang for your buck products is clearly the best option.

 

[nguyen]

Your question was "How would a B560 board hamper the 10700F?", the linked video refers to a 11400F. Makes sense, pairing a mid-range CPU with a mid-range board.



First off, single thread the 10700K stock uses 113w

Intel Core i7-10700K processor review (Page 5)

A review that has been overdue is the 8-core Core i7-10700K processor from Intel. The 10th generation Intel Core desktop processors previously known as CML aka Comet Lake has been received with mixed ...

www.guru3d.com

Multi-thread is 248w. Assuming that gaming is between those figures, your watt estimate vastly under-estimates power consumption.

"Spending 100usd more to get 5-10% more performance is well worth it for a 2000usd rig (well the 3070 alone is 1500usd LOL)."

He's getting 0% extra performance at 1440p with a 75hz monitor. Consider the use case. Even if he had a 144z monitor, at 1440p the difference between the 10400F and 10700K is nill.

"The performance gap between 6 cores and 8 cores CPU will continue to rise in the future, since newer games will utilize more cores."

At that point you can take the $100+ he saved and buy another CPU at the same tier as the 10400F and get more core and more IPC. There's also the proceeds from his current CPU.

"There is really no need to waste money upgrading to any Intel 10th or 11th gen CPU from 10700F. If you bought 10400F now then sell it to buy 10900F in the future, you will have to fork out 200usd for 5-10% higher FPS than an"

No one is recommending that course of action. You'd buy whichever CPU, motherboard combo is the best value at the time. If he wanted to upgrade on the same motherboard AMD is the far better choice as AMD's 5000 series thrashes Intel in all respects, especially core count.

What's wasting money is spending $100+ extra on a processor that will provide on benefit to the OP. When games start requiring 8 cores the OP can easily take the money he's saved and buy whatever new gear is out at the time.

Wise upgrading is about getting the best value for your money and taking the savings and upgrading more frequently. That way you get the benefit of CPUs designed for modern games instead of hoping that a CPU will be adequate in the future. If the 7700K is any indication of future performance, it's plan to see frequent upgrades between the best bang for your buck products is clearly the best option.

All wrong, 10700F should pull around or less than 100W during heavy gaming. You should stop quoting power consumption under Cinebench as every reviewer like to use, that is just a wrong way to look at power consumption during gaming. You can ask @W1zzard how much power these CPU use during gaming, he knows best.

So here is something you don't get, If OP wants to upgrade to 10700F in the future, he would have to spend another 100usd after selling his used 10400F, why not just spend that 100usd to get top performance from day 1. Kinda short sighted to save 100usd just to spend it later, unless you are short on cash, which OP doesn't seem to be.

 

[Raendor]

Your question was "How would a B560 board hamper the 10700F?", the linked video refers to a 11400F. Makes sense, pairing a mid-range CPU with a mid-range board.



First off, single thread the 10700K stock uses 113w

Intel Core i7-10700K processor review (Page 5)

A review that has been overdue is the 8-core Core i7-10700K processor from Intel. The 10th generation Intel Core desktop processors previously known as CML aka Comet Lake has been received with mixed ...

www.guru3d.com

Multi-thread is 248w. Assuming that gaming is between those figures, your watt estimate vastly under-estimates power consumption.

"Spending 100usd more to get 5-10% more performance is well worth it for a 2000usd rig (well the 3070 alone is 1500usd LOL)."

He's getting 0% extra performance at 1440p with a 75hz monitor. Consider the use case. Even if he had a 144z monitor, at 1440p the difference between the 10400F and 10700K is nill.

"The performance gap between 6 cores and 8 cores CPU will continue to rise in the future, since newer games will utilize more cores."

At that point you can take the $100+ he saved and buy another CPU at the same tier as the 10400F and get more core and more IPC. There's also the proceeds from his current CPU.

"There is really no need to waste money upgrading to any Intel 10th or 11th gen CPU from 10700F. If you bought 10400F now then sell it to buy 10900F in the future, you will have to fork out 200usd for 5-10% higher FPS than an"

No one is recommending that course of action. You'd buy whichever CPU, motherboard combo is the best value at the time. If he wanted to upgrade on the same motherboard AMD is the far better choice as AMD's 5000 series thrashes Intel in all respects, especially core count.

What's wasting money is spending $100+ extra on a processor that will provide on benefit to the OP. When games start requiring 8 cores the OP can easily take the money he's saved and buy whatever new gear is out at the time.

Wise upgrading is about getting the best value for your money and taking the savings and upgrading more frequently. That way you get the benefit of CPUs designed for modern games instead of hoping that a CPU will be adequate in the future. If the 7700K is any indication of future performance, it's plan to see frequent upgrades between the best bang for your buck products is clearly the best option.

True words! I've learned that personally as well. Go for performance/price king now and by the time it doesn't cut - get the next one. Future-proofing is useless. By the time your mid-range is not enough anymore - the one-tier higher thing won't save you either and will be already matched or obliterated by the next mid-range king.

 

[Selaya]

Yeah, don't buy 8-core cpus. Like, seriously. The 8-core tax is real (50% 10700-11400f, 80% 10700-10400f LOL), 6-cores are de wae as of right now.
Quite besides, I do not foresee console ports using more than 12 threads in the foreseeable future since the last few cores/threads on the consoles are reserved for the OS and not to be used for gaming. So there's that too.

 

[GerKNG]

11400f or a 10700kf on sale

 

[Why_Me]

A bit off topic but after going through that French website I noticed the Europeans are getting hardware that isn't being sold in NA such as that Gigabyte B560 board I linked in the previous post. That board would sell big time in NA so why don't we have it here.

B560M AORUS ELITE (rev. 1.x) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

 

[Kindalou]

@evernessince
Thank you for the advice I understand the logic of saving now to buy more efficient equipment later.
Progress is so rapid that it is quite possible that when the i5 10400f or 11400f is exceeded the higher processors will have to drop in price.

In this logic we have an interesting offer in France on a cooler the Dark rock Slim from bequiet at 25 €, would it be enough for my use rather than the big Noctua DH-15 that I can still return bought 95 €?
I will take advantage of your advice which really allows me to understand and make the right choices. Regarding motherboard models I'm looking for an attractive price are there any brands or models to favor?

 

[milewski1015]

All wrong, 10700F should pull around or less than 100W during heavy gaming. You should stop quoting power consumption under Cinebench as every reviewer like to use, that is just a wrong way to look at power consumption during gaming. You can ask @W1zzard how much power these CPU use during gaming, he knows best.

So here is something you don't get, If OP wants to upgrade to 10700F in the future, he would have to spend another 100usd after selling his used 10400F, why not just spend that 100usd to get top performance from day 1. Kinda short sighted to save 100usd just to spend it later, unless you are short on cash, which OP doesn't seem to be.

Power is already a moot point since OP has an NH-D15 that is more than capable.

Then why not use W1zzard's test data?

Pulled from the 1440p gaming results page of the 10700 review: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-10700/16.html

OP's already stated prices for the processors. 145 euro for a 10400F vs. 265 euro for a 10700. To me, 120 euro isn't worth a maximum 1.8% gaming performance increase, especially when OP won't make use of the increased core count the 10700 offers.

 

[flatty]

I would go for 3600 and B550

 

[milewski1015]

In this logic we have an interesting offer in France on a cooler the Dark rock Slim from bequiet at 25 €, would it be enough for my use rather than the big Noctua DH-15 that I can still return bought 95 €?

They're not really in the same realm of performance. The Dark Rock Slim is more comparable to something like the NH-U12S. I would stick with the NH-D15 to be honest.

 

[Why_Me]

I would go for 3600 and B550

And why is that?

 

[milewski1015]

And why is that?

There really isn't a logical reason. 10400F/11400F and a B560 board offer equal or better gaming performance. The prices OP listed for CPUs put a 3600 at €201, while the 10400F/11400F sit at €145 and €179 respectively. I can't speak on B560 pricing, but I'd imagine they're similar or maybe only slightly more than the aforementioned €130 for B550. Sure, you might be limited to DDR4-3200, but that just means you can buy a cheaper RAM kit for again, equal or better gaming performance.

Edit: 11400F provides PCIe 4.0 parity with the 3600/B550 combo. Not a huge deal but worth noting.

 

[Why_Me]

@evernessince
Thank you for the advice I understand the logic of saving now to buy more efficient equipment later.
Progress is so rapid that it is quite possible that when the i5 10400f or 11400f is exceeded the higher processors will have to drop in price.

In this logic we have an interesting offer in France on a cooler the Dark rock Slim from bequiet at 25 €, would it be enough for my use rather than the big Noctua DH-15 that I can still return bought 95 €?
I will take advantage of your advice which really allows me to understand and make the right choices. Regarding motherboard models I'm looking for an attractive price are there any brands or models to favor?

The Dark Rock Slim will work fine as long as you don't turn off the power limits in the bios. If you plan on turning off the power limits then stick with the Noctua.

 

[evernessince]

@evernessince
Thank you for the advice I understand the logic of saving now to buy more efficient equipment later.
Progress is so rapid that it is quite possible that when the i5 10400f or 11400f is exceeded the higher processors will have to drop in price.

In this logic we have an interesting offer in France on a cooler the Dark rock Slim from bequiet at 25 €, would it be enough for my use rather than the big Noctua DH-15 that I can still return bought 95 €?
I will take advantage of your advice which really allows me to understand and make the right choices. Regarding motherboard models I'm looking for an attractive price are there any brands or models to favor?

Yes, that cooler should be more the adequate. You could probably go even cheaper if you wanted to save more with something like the Deepcool Gammax 400 or Hyper 212. Alternatively the MSI Core Frozr L is a bit better performing than the dark rock slim and has a lower MSRP. The NH-D15 is indeed overkill for your build / use case.

 

[Raendor]

There really isn't a logical reason. 10400F/11400F and a B560 board offer equal or better gaming performance. The prices OP listed for CPUs put a 3600 at €201, while the 10400F/11400F sit at €145 and €179 respectively. I can't speak on B560 pricing, but I'd imagine they're similar or maybe only slightly more than the aforementioned €130 for B550. Sure, you might be limited to DDR4-3200, but that just means you can buy a cheaper RAM kit for again, equal or better gaming performance.

Edit: 11400F provides PCIe 4.0 parity with the 3600/B550 combo. Not a huge deal but worth noting.

You’re not limited to 3200 on b560. but with gear 1 even CL16 performs no worse than 3600 and 4000 sticks in gaming.

 

[milewski1015]

You’re not limited to 3200 on b560. but with gear 1 even CL16 performs no worse than 3600 and 4000 sticks in gaming.

My mistake. Mondays amirite?

 

[Kindalou]

The cooler being really cheap for 25 € I will keep it for the moment and if I need to unleash the processor to have higher performance (which should not be the case now) I will be able to spend on a few more things efficient.


I will look at the B560 models, currently the prices are in the 160 € in France for the asrock B560 Pro4

 

[Why_Me]

The cooler being really cheap for 25 € I will keep it for the moment and if I need to unleash the processor to have higher performance (which should not be the case now) I will be able to spend on a few more things efficient.


I will look at the B560 models, currently the prices are in the 160 € in France for the asrock B560 Pro4

This is twice the board as the Asrock Pro 4.

https://www.materiel.net/produit/202103100127.html
Gigabyte B560M Aorus ELITE 149€95

 

[Kindalou]

@Why_Me I have a large case with an ATX motherboard. I didn't think about the micro ATX, I just risk losing PCI ports? Since I only use a graphics card it is true that the choice is interesting in addition it is much nicer.

 

[Raendor]

@Why_Me I have a large case with an ATX motherboard. I didn't think about the micro ATX, I just risk losing PCI ports? Since I only use a graphics card it is true that the choice is interesting in addition it is much nicer.

You could swith to itx master race

 

[Calmmo]

value wise the 11400 is the best one by far.

 

[las]

11400 with a motherboard that can OC Non-K CPUs (Like AsRock BFB) are by far the best option value-wise, plus you can skimp on RAM because Intel CPU's perform almost identical regardless of 3200/CL16 or 4000/CL15 - especially good value if you combine with money back deals (there's a few running), 10th gen have some good deals right now too and performs almost identical.

AMDs value is not great right now, prices are jacked up because TSMC can't really deliver, so demand is high and yields seem bad on ryzen 5900/5950. I'm sure AMD has shipped ALOT more 5600X and 5800X compared to 5900X/5950X.. 5950X is almost a halo product.. A friend of mine have waited for months and months for his, ordered on release! Ryzen 3000 series performs worse in gaming than Intel chips, even 8th gen like 8700K will beat any and all Ryzen 3000 in gaming and especially emulation if you are into that. AMD CPU/GPU typically performs bad in emulation tasks.

You could swith to itx master race

Master race? High-end hardware in ITX cases = Hot and Loud, and often throttling unless you spend a big chump of cash on custom water or top-end AIO + premium fans like Noctua

I like small ITX builds, and I have a few (HTPC + "Mid-End" gaming PC), but calling it master race would be kinda stupid, since you limit your options alot and needs to really think about CPU/GPU configs. Alot of ITX users undervolt and underclock to keep temps and noise down, especially when using 300+ watt GPUs like 3080/3090 and 6800XT/6900XT. That is just asking for trouble, 3090 and 6900XT can peak at like 500 watts

 

[Raendor]

11400 with a motherboard that can OC Non-K CPUs (Like AsRock BFB) are by far the best option value-wise, plus you can skimp on RAM because Intel CPU's perform almost identical regardless of 3200/CL16 or 4000/CL15 - especially good value if you combine with money back deals (there's a few running), 10th gen have some good deals right now too and performs almost identical.

AMDs value is not great right now, prices are jacked up because TSMC can't really deliver, so demand is high and yields seem bad on ryzen 5900/5950. I'm sure AMD has shipped ALOT more 5600X and 5800X compared to 5900X/5950X.. 5950X is almost a halo product.. A friend of mine have waited for months and months for his, ordered on release! Ryzen 3000 series performs worse in gaming than Intel chips, even 8th gen like 8700K will beat any and all Ryzen 3000 in gaming and especially emulation if you are into that. AMD CPU/GPU typically performs bad in emulation tasks.



Master race? High-end hardware in ITX cases = Hot and Loud, and often throttling unless you spend a big chump of cash on custom water or top-end AIO + premium fans like Noctua

No problem with high-end hardware in modern cases at all. You can easily have better temps than mainstream ATX cases. Look for builds in Ncase M1, CM NR200P, Sliger, Form T1, etc. I'm running 6800xt in Ncase M1 and it's silent and cool despite being 250w part. No need for water either with lots of air cooling options.

 

[las]

No problem with high-end hardware in modern cases at all. You can easily have better temps than mainstream ATX cases. Look for builds in Ncase M1, CM NR200P, Sliger, Form T1, etc. I'm running 6800xt in Ncase M1 and it's silent and cool despite being 250w part. No need for water either with lots of air cooling options.

It's subjective, my current system is so quiet, I can't hear if it's ON or OFF outside of benching, stress testing or gaming, then it ramps up to 25dB or so. You will never get that in an ITX case. You need to sacrifice on performance or accept higher noise output. I have put together tons of ITX systems.

No ITX board would drive my 9900K at 5.2 GHz like im doing. Or allow my 3080 to stay at 2000+ in all games.

Small systems are nice and all, but nothing master race about going ITX. VRM solutions on most if not all ITX boards are pretty bad.

 

[Raendor]

It's subjective, my current system is so quiet, I can't hear if it's ON or OFF outside of benching, stress testing or gaming, then it ramps up to 25dB or so. You will never get that in an ITX case. You need to sacrifice on performance or accept higher noise output. I have put together tons of ITX systems.

No ITX board would drive my 9900K at 5.2 GHz like im doing. Or allow my 3080 to stay at 2000+ in all games.

Small systems are nice and all, but nothing master race about going ITX. VRM solutions on most if not all ITX boards are pretty bad.

Man, it's not subjective and is simply bias/misconception. Maybe for you, because you never tried yourself properly. There's a huge community on Reddit and youtube of people that build SSSFPs specifically with high-end and mainstream parts focused on noise and temps/performance too. I'm not here to convince you as you seem to be convinced, but for overwhelming majority of users still building ATX - it's continuing on wasting space, while also having a lot of times worse temps than if you go to something nice and small AND accessible like NR200P. Not going to highjack the topic further. At one point I went itx and will never ever go back to ATX pc for home use.