Help- PC On BootLoop. Fix Upgrade or Buy New?

[dark_elf]

Hi all
my pc stoped working.
when i start it, it go to a bootloop with a black screen(with nothing on it).
working for 4-5sec and then restart itself.
this goes on and on.
also no beep sounds ever.

tried the following:
tried to remove/clean/replace slots of the ram.
tried to set my old G.Card.
tried to unplug the cables press the shutdown button for 30sec and restart.
tried to remove battery several times.
tried to unpluge every thing (cd room, HD,SSD)
tried to unpluge every thing but SSD
tired to start it without ram to check if it beeps- no beeps.
tired to connect the screen directly to the motherboard, same result(this neve working for me i think).
tried to reconnect the cables.

whay you guys think?
is the motherboard is gone?
is it the PSU?

nothing seems to work.
the screen and cables are fine(working on other pc).
please tell me if there any other thing i can try.

anyway i think it might be a good time for me to upgrade the pc.
what you recomand me to buy?

i think to upgrade the following:

-new motherboard(that support as much ram as possible)
-add ram(new ram?).
-new PSU(if needed)
-new Proccessor

basicly i think maybe to upgrade all but the G.card and the SSD.
if im going to upgrade i want a strong pc.
i started to develop some apps/progs and found i need as much ram/cpu as possible,
so i think i7 will be a must for me.


my Current PC:

graphic card: Gforce 1060 3b
motherboard: Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. H77-D3H (Intel Core i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10GHz)
Intel Core i5 3450 @ 3.10GHz Ivy Bridge 22nm Technology
ram: 8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
storage: 447GB KINGSTON SUV400S37480G ATA Device (SSD)

psu: thermaltalk TR2 RX 550pp
model psf500v-30



please tell me what your thoughts?
fix the old?
upgrade?
just buy a new?

thanks for helping!

 

[Caring1]

Have you tried booting in to the bios and setting initial display output to onboard?
Remove the GPU from the slot when trying this.
I recently had similar issues with W10 and graphics drivers giving me a black screen, so had to boot in safe mode and use D.D.U. before reinstalling.

 

[biowiet]

also no beep sounds ever.

Just to be on the safe side... is there any beeper connected to the motherboard pins?
There at the lower left corner white block, orange pins:

Also... have you resetted the bios with shorting the CLR_CMOS pins? Removing the battery doesn't automatically clear bios, ie. if the psu is plugged in or it was powered up and capacitors are charged, there are several circumstances it will keep the settings.

If nothing works, as a last solution you can always download the latest firmware and try Q-FLASH it... you know there is a dedicated USB port to do that.
All info is in the user manual 31.page - Chapter 2 BIOS Setup

 

[dark_elf]

looks like the speaker doesn't connected.
im sure it was back then for sure, maybe i disconected it(unlikely)? i dont see any disconnected jumpers though.
parhaps i should buy one and connect it?

please take a look, it doesn't connected right?
what are the connections near it? the came from the back of the case. reset/power?

i tried now to reset the bios via cmos pins.
didn't helped.
tried again to set my old g.card/motherboard ones, nothing happened.

i don't familiare with the dedicated usb, you think it might help me?
all you are saying is related to the motherboard. maybe i should just replace it?

Have you tried booting in to the bios and setting initial display output to onboard?
Remove the GPU from the slot when trying this.
I recently had similar issues with W10 and graphics drivers giving me a black screen, so had to boot in safe mode and use D.D.U. before reinstalling.

black screen man.
i cant boot to the bios.

 

[erixx]

Having that little speaker is very helpfull!
And having a second PSU at home for "those days"....
If you want to go the "do it yourself" route, you need parts and tools!

Or just take it to a computer shop nearby...

 

[dark_elf]

i want to diagnose what is the problem.
and get recomandation's for a pc hardware upgrade

 

[Folterknecht]

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...-Forcing-backup-BIOS-on-Gigabyte-motherboards

 

[Bill_Bright]

Many motherboard have a little piezoelectric "button" speakers integrated on the motherboard. They look like this or something similar:

Otherwise, you can connect a very inexpensive System Speaker to the motherboard's case speaker connector, typically found in the Front Panel I/O header as shown by biowiet above in post #3. If a motherboard does not include a speaker, we always add one to our builds. That short single beep at boot indicating a successful POST (power on self test) is reassuring. Note that $8.95 price is for 20 speakers.

 

[eidairaman1]

Check cpu socket for damaged/burnt/bent pins.

Is the board out of the case?

 

[dark_elf]

i will purchase the speaker. but it will take a few days until then.
the cpu looks ok.
the board is in the case.

what you guys think? what might be the issues?
psu? board? both?

 

[eidairaman1]

i will purchase the speaker. but it will take a few days until then.
the cpu looks ok.
the board is in the case.

what you guys think? what might be the issues?
psu? board? both?

Take the board out of the case, run it.

I also said to inspect the pins in the socket.

 

[Komshija]

Is there any weird smell from any component when you power-up your PC?

Did you try to remove the CMOS battery for 10 minutes and then install it back again. That's how I usually reset BIOS.

I would assume it's either faulty motherboard or issues with the PSU, but again, that's only my assumption.

 

[dark_elf]

Take the board out of the case, run it.

i prefer not to do that.

I also said to inspect the pins in the socket.

pins look ok.

Is there any weird smell from any component when you power-up your PC?

no smell.
the Capacitors looks fine.
nothing seem to be burned to my eye.

Did you try to remove the CMOS battery for 10 minutes and then install it back again. That's how I usually reset BIOS.

i will try it now and report if it will work but i doubt it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

10 minutes? No need to do that. CMOS memory devices are electrical memory devices that - by their very nature - are specifically used in these circuits because they instantly (within a couple clock cycles) dump any stored data once voltage on the "holding pin" of the device is removed. So all you have to do is unplug the computer from the wall (to remove the +5Vsb standby voltage), then pull the battery for a few seconds (15 is more than enough), then that is it. There are NO capacitors in that circuit that need time to bleed off voltages.

Or better yet, unplug from the wall then just move the reset CMOS jumper virtually every motherboard has to the reset position for a few seconds, then move it back. You don't have to remove the battery. Shorting the two reset pins dumps all the voltage in that circuit to ground so any data in the CMOS device is lost forever.

Remember, user changes to the BIOS are specifically designed they can be reset easily. If motherboard designers wanted that data to be more robust and harder to reset, they would have chosen a different device than a complementary metal–oxide–semiconductor (CMOS) device. Instead they would have chosen something like a EEPROM that requires a lot more effort to reset.

 

[biowiet]

looks like the speaker doesn't connected.
please take a look, it doesn't connected right?
what are the connections near it? the came from the back of the case. reset/power?

No, there is no speaker connected. Can't remember if I've got them with the chassis or with the motherboard or both. If you have any packages from the original boxes, try to find a beeper there.
If you have a fairly old chassis you might even have it "integrated" (hot glued)... if you think there was one connected you might only need to find the loose connector in the chassis.
Yes, the others are exactly those and the LED feedbacks.

black screen man.
i cant boot to the bios.

Do this:

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...-Forcing-backup-BIOS-on-Gigabyte-motherboards

 

[dark_elf]

then pull the battery for a few seconds (15 is more than enough)

unplug from the wall then just move the reset CMOS jumper virtually every motherboard has to the reset position for a few seconds, then move it back

did that, didnt work.

dark_elf said:
looks like the speaker doesn't connected.
please take a look, it doesn't connected right?
what are the connections near it? the came from the back of the case. reset/power?

No, there is no speaker connected. Can't remember if I've got them with the chassis or with the motherboard or both. If you have any packages from the original boxes, try to find a beeper there.

there was one back then for 100% it beeped and all.
no idea when or where it gone.
i dont see anything unpluged sadly.

black screen man.
i cant boot to the bios.

Do this:
Folterknecht said:
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...-Forcing-backup-BIOS-on-Gigabyte-motherboards

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...-Forcing-backup-BIOS-on-Gigabyte-motherboards

tried that, same result.
after i shutdown-pressed until it boots and shut down itself.
the when start again- same result black screen, bootloop.
tried that several times.
tried to hold it for 60sec as well, nothing changed.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Take the board out of the case, run it.

i prefer not to do that

You may need to. Note that cases are typically designed to support 1000s of different motherboards of several shapes and sizes. That means most cases support more motherboard standoffs than motherboards have mounting holes. It is not uncommon for new builders and experienced builders alike to insert an extra standoff under the board during assembly that shorts out the board (hopefully just temporarily) when power is applied. Or some other foreign object could be under there. The only way to find out is to remove the board. And if doing that, I recommend putting it all together outside the case on a large, unfinished (bare wood) bread/cutting board, or plain (no graphics or printing) sheet of cardboard. If it works outside the box, you know you have a problem with the assembly in the case. Just note where the two wires from the case's front panel power button connect to the motherboard. You will need to momentarily short those two pins together to signal the power supply to boot.

 

[Caring1]

While everyone is thinking about a fix for your current system, I'm going to suggest moving to an AMD Ryzen system,
An R5 2600 Processor or higher would be ideal for your intended usage, and is reasonably cheap compared to Intel, the largest cost would be the DDR4 Ram currently.
You can also list your current system for sale in the forum's buy/sell/ trade section to offset the cost.

 

[dark_elf]

today i purchase and connected a inner speaker to the pc:
appearantly i have a short fast beeping(like +20 short constant beeps).

this is the exact flow when i press powerup:
1-short fast beeping
2-reboot and no beeps for a few seconds
3-then reboot again and short fast beeping.

tried to remove the g.card
tried to powerup without card.
tried to remove one ram.
tried to remove both rams.

what is the beeps saying?

 

[Bill_Bright]

what is the beeps saying?

It depends on the motherboard and BIOS. There is no industry standard. Your motherboard manual should tell you.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=beep+...-10&sk=&cvid=57A9A7FA27FA44DB812AB48098D99308

 

[dark_elf]

according to this:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Support/Faq/816
and this:
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/748806-Beep-Codes-for-a-gigabyte-MB

Continuous short beep ：Power supply unit failed.
so this must be the reason?

here is a copy&past from the link above:

What does BIOS beep sound mean?

1.AWARD BIOS 1short beep ：System normal 2 short beep ：CMOS Error 1 long beep and 1 short beep：Memory error 1 long beep and 2 short beep：Graphic card error 1 long beep and 3 short beep ：AGP error 1 long beep and 9 short beep ：Memory Error Continuous long beep ：Memory not correctly installed Continuous short beep ：Power supply unit failed 2.AMI BIOS 1 short beep ：Memory Error 2 short beep：Memory parity check error. 3 short beep ：basic memory 64K address check error 4 short beep ：Real Time Clock malfunction . 5 short beep ：CPU error 6 short beep：Keyboard error 7 short beep ：CPU interruption error 8 short beep：Graphic card error 9 short beep ：Memory error 10 short beep ：CMOS error 11 short beep ：CPU cache memory malfunction

 

[eidairaman1]

Ok replace the psu.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Well, it cannot be a total PSU failure or else there would be no power to cause a beep. So it must be a missing rail. I would certainly verify all connections first. And remember, just about all motherboards these days require at least two connections.

 

[dark_elf]

i tried reconnect the 2 connections several times between the board and the PSU.
the beeps remains the same.

 

[eidairaman1]

i tried reconnect the 2 connections several times between the board and the PSU.
the beeps remains the same.

Replace psu