Help with 10750H and ThrottleStop

[NoorIntwl]

A few questions about the 10750H, I have an HP Omen 15 2020, it seems to have great cooling compared to a lot of the posts here.

What is the TPL and Turbo Time Limits I should set for max cpu performance?

Currently have it set at 107/107. An medium length TS bench makes the CPU take a max package power of 75w. (4.2Ghz all core)

I do not remember the default turbo time limit for the HP Omen.

why does the CPU not boost up to 4.3Ghz all cores when running a benchmark?

I would also like to know what’s the max all core boost this CPU can go.

I read a few replies to other 10750H posts by unclewebb, but they all seem to be having throttle issues whereas I don’t seem to have them yet so I would like to push the CPU to it’s safest limits.

Thanks in advance.
Screenshots were taken on battery, didn’t have access to power.

 

[unclewebb]

ThrottleStop 9.3

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Try using the latest version. Go into the FIVR window and clear the check mark beside the Thermal Velocity Boost feature. This might help you find an extra 100 MHz. When this box is checked, it can cause throttling when your CPU goes over 70°C.

Setting the turbo power limits to 107W should be high enough. If you really want, you can set these to the maximum value, 4095. As long as your CPU is not power limit throttling, it does not matter how high you set these limits. For the turbo time limit, I use the default value which is 28 seconds. If both power limits are set to the same value, the time limit does not really matter.

Try running Cinebench R20.

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What scores do you get? When this test is running, open Limit Reasons and watch to see if anything is lighting up red. Can your computer maintain the maximum multiplier during this test? Are there any signs of throttling?

No need to set the PP0 Power Limit. If you leave this at 0, the CPU should ignore this setting.

There might be a little bit of room to increase your core offset further to -175 mV or -200 mV. If you are not having any thermal problems or power limit throttling problems, there is no need to undervolt any further. Your laptop appears to already be running great. It has become rare to see a properly functioning laptop.

 

[NoorIntwl]

Thanks for the reply, I am trying each step you provided. Running some of the benches the CPU does thermal throttle a bit (EDP Other being the only one constantly present when TVB is unchecked).

I haven't running into throttling when gaming which is why I said my cooling seems to be acceptable, with what I'm seeing on these synthetic benches I'm beginning to doubt it. Perhaps a repaste will help since I am running stock paste.

I will provide you with log file later.

Thank you again

I ran TS Bench at 7680M and the CPU limits were EDP other and thermal flashing red constantly, with TVB unchecked. Although I can't seem to find the log file in the throttlestop folder. Going to try higher UVs now.

3284 points on R20 btw with TVB unchecked again. Did thermal throttle.
Temps below are from an R23 run that went on for 2 minutes.

 

[unclewebb]

I can't seem to find the log file

Open the Options window and at the bottom it should tell you where your log folder is located. The default log file location is in the ThrottleStop / Logs folder. When finished testing, exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize your log file.

When you are running Cinebench, before it starts thermal throttling, what does ThrottleStop report for the CPU multiplier? You can also try some partial load tests by doing a 8 or 10 thread TS Bench test. That will put out less heat so your CPU can stabilize at max speed.

TS 9.3 should show you what maximum multiplier is possible in the FIVR window, Turbo Ratio Limits section.

Try increasing the FIVR core and cache IccMax values. This might help reduce any EDP throttling.

 

[NoorIntwl]

TVB unchecked gives about 3284 and enabled gives around 3200, I think I will keep it turned on. Log file has 1 R20 run.

Before throttling, in cinebench with tvb unchecked, the freq is 4.3. That is what you asked right?
I am not sure what IccMax does, can you please explain? Is it safe?

 

[unclewebb]

TVB

Your log file shows your CPU can run the 43 multiplier when Thermal Velocity Boost is not checked. When Thermal Velocity Boost is checked, that reduces the CPU multiplier down to 42 when the CPU is over 70°C. If you can find a way to cool your laptop down, it can run a hair faster but not much.

I did see early in the log file that you had some PL1 power limit throttling at 45W. Not sure what you were doing when that happened. Maybe that was before you made some adjustments.

 

[NoorIntwl]

So I increased the core Uv from -127mv to -250mv and do not see a difference, is the core:cache uv 1:1?

Your log file shows your CPU can run the 43 multiplier when Thermal Velocity Boost is not checked. When Thermal Velocity Boost is checked, that reduces the CPU multiplier down to 42 when the CPU is over 70°C. If you can find a way to cool your laptop down, it can run a hair faster but not much.

I did see early in the log file that you had some PL1 power limit throttling at 45W. Not sure what you were doing when that happened. Maybe that was before you made some adjustments.

Yep true, I was adjusting then.

 

[unclewebb]

is the core:cache uv 1:1?

Setting the core offset up to -100 mV more than the cache can reduce the CPU voltage but only when it is running AVX instructions. To test if this makes a difference, run Cinebench R20.

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For a baseline, run R20 with the core and cache both set to -90 mV. Now run it again with the cache at -90 mV and the core at -190 mV. Most people see an improvement in either performance or temperatures. Watch to see what power consumption is reported while testing. The 8th and 9th Gen CPUs always showed a difference when setup with different voltages.

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[NoorIntwl]

Very small ~4w difference between running -100 core and -90mv & -90 on both, meanwhile no difference between running -190 on core and -100

Oh well, I learned a lot but I'm even more confused on what UV works and what does not, anyway I'm off for today, I will come to this a bit later.