Hibernate mode Vs Sleep Vs Hybrid sleep.

[Vya Domus]

They all screw up the performance and stability of Windows at some point. So no I don't use them.

 

[Derek12]

I use regular sleep on my computers except the tablet which uses connected standby

 

[Shihab]

Hibernate is for notebooks, not PCs.

I beg to differ. Hibernation is for whatever situation hibernation is needed for, be it on a desktop or a laptop. For instance, desktop users who suffer from frequent blackouts would rather opt for hibernation instead of sleeping.

They all screw up the performance and stability of Windows at some point. So no I don't use them.

AFAIK, Sleep and Hibernate functions don't alter critical system files, so I don't think any permanent damage should occur. Worst I've seen are devices failing to wakeup properly, and that's easily fixed with a simple restart (or, in some cases, unpluging and repluging the device or restarting related services.)

 

[Vya Domus]

AFAIK, Sleep and Hibernate functions don't alter critical system files, so I don't think any permanent damage should occur. Worst I've seen are devices failing to wakeup properly, and that's easily fixed with a simple restart (or, in some cases, unpluging and repluging the device or restarting related services.)

I know , but it's an extra thing to worry about from time to time. To me Sleep or Hibernate makes no difference since my PC boots pretty much just as fast from a cold boot and I never really need to leave programs open and pick up from where I left off. Things get left in memory more and more as you keep using the PC and I did in fact noticed it affecting performance eventually.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

The other advantage to disabling Hibernate is that you recoup a huge chunk of drive space. Hiberfile.sys on my system was 6+Gb, disabling Hibernate deletes the file.

 

[newtekie1]

For instance, desktop users who suffer from frequent blackouts would rather opt for hibernation instead of sleeping.

Or do the right thing and get a UPS.

 

[Kursah]

I use sleep and hybrid sleep all the time on my workstations and laptops. No complaints in all honesty. I like the faster resume times, and really have no stability issues, and on my UPS I see 1-2W load on my main gaming PC while in sleep mode. I can live with that.

 

[Shihab]

I know , but it's an extra thing to worry about from time to time. To me Sleep or Hibernate makes no difference since my PC boots pretty much just as fast from a cold boot and I never really need to leave programs open and pick up from where I left off. Things get left in memory more and more as you keep using the PC and I did in fact noticed it affecting performance eventually.

A full restart every once in a while is recommended, but I think that Windows has come far enough that it can last a considerable up time before the need for such measures.

Care to expand on the "things get left in memory" part? As far as I know, Windows marks any memory space as available for use once the program that uses it terminates, no exceptions. Memory leaks from buggy programs can be cause that symptom, but that's not an issue related to the OS and power states in themselves.

Or do the right thing and get a UPS.

Would have, if they were available for the consumer market at reasonable prices where I live. I dare say that most people who live in places with bad power infrastructure see the correlation.
Also, I see the benefit for a UPS for a computer while in use, I don't see much reason for one just to be able to click sleep instead of hibernate.

 

[newtekie1]

Would have, if they were available for the consumer market at reasonable prices where I live. I dare say that most people who live in places with bad power infrastructure see the correlation.
Also, I see the benefit for a UPS for a computer while in use, I don't see much reason for one just to be able to click sleep instead of hibernate.

If you are in an area that gets frequent power outages, then getting one just for when the computer is running should be your priority.

 

[FireFox]

Well, since last night my PC is in Hybrid sleep mode, so ow going to work and when i come back in 7 hours let's see if wakes up without issues.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Care to expand on the "things get left in memory" part? As far as I know, Windows marks any memory space as available for use once the program that uses it terminates, no exceptions. Memory leaks from buggy programs can be cause that symptom, but that's not an issue related to the OS and power states in themselves.

Pretty sure your point is correct.
Anything written to volatile memory is wiped once the computer wakes afaik. I've seen threads before about users complaining of RAM usage increasing after a computer wakes from sleep mode and as far as I know it's entirely anecdotal.

 

[Bill_Bright]

and my UPS is not very reliable (time for a new one).

Make sure your batteries are good. They need to be regularly replaced every 3 - 5 years. Weak batteries make for an unreliable UPS. But new batteries are cheaper than a whole new UPS.

They all screw up the performance and stability of Windows at some point. So no I don't use them.

Totally disagree with that! No way sleep affects performance. As for stability, on rare occasions, a computer will not properly come out of sleep. Typically a simple reboot resolves that. But once a computer boots properly, sleep mode does not interfere.

Sleep mode is nothing new. Microsoft and the applicable hardware makers have had over 20 years to sort problems out.

I beg to differ. Hibernation is for whatever situation hibernation is needed for, be it on a desktop or a laptop. For instance, desktop users who suffer from frequent blackouts would rather opt for hibernation instead of sleeping.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. First, hibernation was indeed developed for notebooks - so when you close the lid, you can resume exactly where you left off. Yes, you can use hibernation with a PC and you can use hybrid mode on a notebook But hybrid mode was developed for the PC.

Second, if a user suffers from frequent blackouts they should definitely be using a good UPS with AVR. Note I've lived in Tornado Alley for the last 28 years so I have some experience with that. But more importantly, if a user suffers from frequent blackouts and they don't use an UPS, they should be saving their work and "gracefully" shutdown the computer, not put it in sleep mode.

Lastly, hybrid mode is called hybrid mode because it is just that, a mixture of modes. In hybrid mode, data stays in RAM (in a low voltage state) for faster wake times. But in hybrid mode, a full hibernation file is also created in case the user (or Mother Nature) decides to remove power completely.

A full restart every once in a while is recommended, but I think that Windows has come far enough that it can last a considerable up time before the need for such measures.

Newer versions of Windows are not XP. So true, there is no need to reboot Windows just because it has been awhile since the last reboot. I only reboot my 6 W10 systems when some Windows Update or security program update requires it.

Care to expand on the "things get left in memory" part? As far as I know, Windows marks any memory space as available for use once the program that uses it terminates, no exceptions. Memory leaks from buggy programs can be cause that symptom, but that's not an issue related to the OS and power states in themselves.

Memory leaks should not be part of this discussion. Those are faults and exceptions, and very rare. Exceptions don't make the rule. If a program is that buggy, get rid of the program.

As for things left in memory, as I noted above data is indeed left in memory to speed up wake times from sleep mode. Remember, unless you unplug the computer from the wall (or flip the master power switch on the back of the PSU - if it has one) your PC is in "Standby mode" and +5Vsb standby voltage is being distributed to multiple points across the motherboard.

If you terminate a program, that memory space is freed up. But if you keep, for example, a Word document open and allow your computer to sleep, some of that data will be retained in RAM for quicker wakes.

See Fred Langa, Is Data Safe in Sleep/Standby/Suspend Mode?

 

[Vya Domus]

I shouldn't have opened this Pandora's box .

Yes I am fully aware how things are cashed into memory and how you can have memory leaks and zombie processes. My point is that the longer you keep the system up the more likely you are to come across these things. You would be surprised how bad Windows is at handling these things unlike other Unix based OS's. I have seen it happen I'm not talking out of the blue.

 

[FireFox]

@Bill_Bright

Some people delete the Hibernate file in order to save some GB i have done it on Windows 7 but i was trying on Windows 10 and always failed, do you know something about it?

 

[Bill_Bright]

You would be surprised how bad Windows is at handling these things

I think most of us reading this thread have been around the block a few times. As I noted, newer versions of Windows are not XP. There were many things necessary with XP that today are unnecessary or even detrimental to W10. In the past, it was not uncommon to format and reinstall just because it had been awhile. Today, that is always a last resort option.

Of course, even today, some times a simple reboot will clear a problem. But it is simply no longer true Windows needs to be rebooted just because it has been awhile since the last reboot.

And your comparison to a UNIX box is not fair, IMO because UNIX boxes tend to be used as single purpose systems. A single Windows system may be used for games, word processing, email, streaming music, streaming videos, watching DVDs, web surfing, spreadsheets and countless other tasks. Yes, UNIX can multitask too. But they typically are not used that way.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Some people delete the Hibernate file in order to save some GB i have done it on Windows 7 but i was trying on Windows 10 and always failed, do you know something about it?

Failed how? If you have hybrid or hibernate enabled, the file will be in use. So no, you cannot delete it.

 

[jboydgolfer]

So no, you cannot delete it.

I think he's referencing the fact that certain people delete that folder to save precious storage space on solid-state drives ,unless I'm mistaken . And I think he was asking if you specifically knew why he was not able to delete on windows 10 where he was able to on Windows 7 and what that reason might be, again unless I'm mistaken

@Knoxx29
here is how

 

[Kursah]

I shouldn't have opened this Pandora's box .

Yes I am fully aware how things are cashed into memory and how you can have memory leaks and zombie processes. My point is that the longer you keep the system up the more likely you are to come across these things. You would be surprised how bad Windows is at handling these things unlike other Unix based OS's. I have seen it happen I'm not talking out of the blue.

Something to watch is how many handles the Windows OS has in use. It is common to see over 100K in-use, but if I start to see more than 200K, I usually reboot. Most times I'll go months in between reboots, other times I could go days. But you're right, it is when not if you'll need to reboot on consumer OSes. Server OSes I can run substantially longer (years)....which might be more fair to compare to Unix.

Here's a link I found useful on Windows OS Handles ID-ing and monitoring: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com.../09/29/pushing-the-limits-of-windows-handles/

It is true with Windows but as Bill pointed out, the broader spectrum of Windows and what it does and supports kind of leads to this. Unix/Linux is definitely more focused which allows it to be tighter on resources. We do see Ubuntu and other consumer-grade versions of Linux getting plumped up and using more and more RAM with each release...at least that's what I've noticed. Still not quite to the level that Windows and Windows apps do, that is very true.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Unix/Linux is definitely more focused

Not just that, but hardware options are very limited in UNIX whereas the Windows based systems (for PCs anyway) comply with the ATX Form Factor which allows 10s of 1000s of products from 1000s of different manufactures to make products for the PC. It is up to those makers to ensure their products comply with the standard, either natively or via hardware/OS specific drivers. But the hardware makers don't always ensure such compliance.

I think he's referencing the fact that certain people delete that folder to save precious storage space on solid-state drives ,unless I'm mistaken .

@Knoxx29
here is how

That is why I said "If you have hybrid or hibernate enabled...". That tutorial shows that you can remove the file but to do so, you must disable hibernation.

 

[jboydgolfer]

That is why I said "If you have hybrid or hibernate enabled...". That tutorial shows that you can remove the file but to do so, you must disable hibernation

Yup, i saw that in your post. I was just pointing out that he seemed to be looking for a how as well as a why. Since u seemed knowledgeable regarding this issue

 

[FireFox]

If you have hybrid or hibernate enabled, the file will be in use. So no, you cannot delete it.

That is what i was thinking.

And I think he was asking if you specifically knew why he was not able to delete on windows 10 where he was able to on Windows 7 and what that reason might be,

What @Bill_Bright said makes sense, i was able to delete it on W7 because Hybrid mode wasn't enabled, but having it enabled on W10 wont let me delete it, btw maybe it is deleted or disabled because i don't find the hiberfil.sys file,

 

[Bill_Bright]

btw maybe it is deleted or disable because i don't find the hiberfil.sys file,

It is normally hidden, unless you have "view hidden files" enabled.

Still, it is a great feature. If you really need that disk space, I recommend finding some other way to free some up, or buy more. Move some program files, clean out the clutter, delete Windows.old, or something else.

 

[FireFox]

If you really need that disk space,

Nah, i have enough free space on my SSD.

 

[Vya Domus]

I think most of us reading this thread have been around the block a few times. As I noted, newer versions of Windows are not XP. There were many things necessary with XP that today are unnecessary or even detrimental to W10. In the past, it was not uncommon to format and reinstall just because it had been awhile. Today, that is always a last resort option.

Of course, even today, some times a simple reboot will clear a problem. But it is simply no longer true Windows needs to be rebooted just because it has been awhile since the last reboot.

And your comparison to a UNIX box is not fair, IMO because UNIX boxes tend to be used as single purpose systems. A single Windows system may be used for games, word processing, email, streaming music, streaming videos, watching DVDs, web surfing, spreadsheets and countless other tasks. Yes, UNIX can multitask too. But they typically are not used that way.

Do not get me wrong , Windows works fine considering the various circumstances under which it must operate and how widespread it is , as you pointed out. But you cannot deny it's shortcomings , even though ultimately they are unavoidable.

 

[FireFox]

Well i found out why i couldn't delete the hiberfil.sys file, i wasn't running the command prompt as administrator, after typing powercfg.exe -h off the file have been deleted, in W7 the hiberfil.sys was 6GB and after i deleted on W10 i got 20GB free space, is it the hiberfil.sys file bigger on W10 than on W7

Now, i didnt know if after deleting the hiberfil.sys file when i put my Machine to sleep it will goes in Hybrid sleep mode or normal sleep mode and to find out i went into power plan settings to confirm my suspects and here it is Hybrid mode is gone.