how fast is a pentium 4?

[ste2425]

ive read that an intel pentium 4 cpu can get upto like 8ghz (using Liquid nitro) but would a stupidly high clocked p4 be faster then say my current cpu? even though my current cpu would be under half the clocks? just general question

 

[BrooksyX]

No it would be way slower. New CPUs are manufactured a lot better and process more data at slower clock speeds. It is also faster clock for clock. You cpu is also a dual core so it will handle mutlithreaded applications a lot better.

 

[ste2425]

ok mate cheers i was just wondering coz if oc the hell out of p4 would give better speed then my current id do that as it woud be cheaper. thanks again

 

[Darren]

ive read that an intel pentium 4 cpu can get upto like 8ghz (using Liquid nitro) but would a stupidly high clocked p4 be faster then say my current cpu? even though my current cpu would be under half the clocks? just general question

ok mate cheers i was just wondering coz if oc the hell out of p4 would give better speed then my current id do that as it woud be cheaper. thanks again

It definitely wouldn't be cheaper.

Liquid Nitrogen cooling for a P4 is would probably to cost you more than a full i7 build!


Edit:

How about you overclock the hell out of your existing Intel Pentium E2180?

 

[ste2425]

no not liquid nitro haha i mean a w/c set up or very decent air cooling lol
and i tried i crnt get it upto 3.0 even with decent cooling my comp just shuts down during games

 

[BazookaJoe]

Ye - You can think of it sort of like a car engine.

The MHz's of a cpu is kind of like the RPM's of a car engine, The Bus Width, is sort of like the Cylinder size, and the overall CPU design kind of like the NUMBER of cylinders.

and although a 2 cylinder motorbike may be able to sustain 8000 Rpm safely, it's still NOWHERE NEAR as powerful as a V8 Diesel truck engine running at 1200RPM

How fast the engine spins is only one small factor of the engines total output power, apart from the running speed, as newer cpu's come put they also improve the cylinder size and the number of cylinders (be it by adding actual additional cores or by adding more powerful "direct" instructions to the existing cores, or both) And eventually a cpu running FAR FAR slower, on newer tech, can still land up doing far more work / second.

Short answer - an original P4 processor ((at any sustainable clock speed) would struggle severely to challenge a single core of just about any medium - to high end desktop chip today - and thats before you fdactor that most all modern chips have multiple cores.

 

[ste2425]

right kwl that helps lol well i just saw another thread on here about oc a p4 and thought if i get better performance id do it but i no i wont so cheers pps

 

[Darren]

no not liquid nitro haha i mean a w/c set up or very decent air cooling lol
and i tried i crnt get it upto 3.0 even with decent cooling my comp just shuts down during games

You are definitely doing something wrong, you should be able to reach around 3-3.4 GHz relatively easily even on stock cooling.


Edit:

right kwl that helps lol well i just saw another thread on here about oc a p4 and thought if i get better performance id do it but i no i wont so cheers pps

Remember it depends on the Pentium 4, the original Pentium 4 is like a decade old and no amount of overclocking will keep a CPU that old competitive. If its the Pentium D variety perhaps a big overclock could keep it on par with your CPU at stock in certain tasks.

Your best bet is to attempt another OC or invest in a E7xxx/8xxx or quad

 

[ste2425]

its at 2.5 and reaches around 50C that was on stock i bought some aftermarket cooler and the temp when allot down but could get it stable at 3.0 so i was skint and thought well if i crnt get a stable oc there is no point in the cooler and sold it on as i needed cash for ma drivin lessons at the time

 

[RadeonX2]

I have the P4 2.0 northwood and couldn't OC the life out of it. The highest OC I can get is 160MHz. Right now it's settled @ 2.1GHz so only 100MHz to get the thing stable. I had been reading before that the chip will not OC at all probably only 100MHz OC that's it. I have tried the pin mod to increase my Vcore that didn't help at all just increasing my overall temps.

 

[Darren]

its at 2.5 and reaches around 50C that was on stock i bought some aftermarket cooler and the temp when allot down but could get it stable at 3.0 so i was skint and thought well if i crnt get a stable oc there is no point in the cooler and sold it on as i needed cash for ma drivin lessons at the time

Believe it or not 50c is not hot at all for the Pentium dual core, they could operate fine at a lot higher temperatures. Usually going from a stock to a aftermarket heat sink + fan will only drop around 5-10c . The temperature decrease isn’t enough to influence the level of OC. Do not get me wrong you might be able to squeeze an extra 100-200MHz with the aftermarket which is tiny considering that the E1280 is known to give around a 1 -1.3GHz regardless. Usually a CPUs individual tolerance or motherboard tolerance will influence the degree of OC regardless of whether its stock or an aftermarket cooler.

Edit:

I would definitely give that OC another attempt with your stock heatsink and document your progress in a thread so people with a greater OC'ing experience or with similar CPUs can help you out.

 

[Kursah]

I had a P4 Socket 423 1.4Ghz Williamette that run 1.4v stock, and I couldn't get more than 10MHz out of it! The ECS board sucked, there was little to modify in bios, the RDRAM sucked, it all ran hot, but that build still runs to this day, around 7+ years later! Then I upgraded to a S775 P4 630 90nm, sweet little chip, OC'd pretty well, still ran hot, but man it was fun to clock the snot out of it even on air! Nothing has suprised me as much as my first core2 did, the e6300 1.86ghz hitting 3.4ghz on less than VID voltage (needed 1.28v, vid was 1.32v) and hitting 3.5ghz on 1.34v. I still have that chip somewhere...might have to slap it in this rig lol!

its at 2.5 and reaches around 50C that was on stock i bought some aftermarket cooler and the temp when allot down but could get it stable at 3.0 so i was skint and thought well if i crnt get a stable oc there is no point in the cooler and sold it on as i needed cash for ma drivin lessons at the time

Isn't your pentium 2xxx based on the Core 2 anyways? It should be a good clocker, I haven't messed much with the late-model pentium chips tho.

 

[intel igent]

Ye - You can think of it sort of like a car engine.

The MHz's of a cpu is kind of like the RPM's of a car engine, The Bus Width, is sort of like the Cylinder size, and the overall CPU design kind of like the NUMBER of cylinders.

and although a 2 cylinder motorbike may be able to sustain 8000 Rpm safely, it's still NOWHERE NEAR as powerful as a V8 Diesel truck engine running at 1200RPM

How fast the engine spins is only one small factor of the engines total output power, apart from the running speed, as newer cpu's come put they also improve the cylinder size and the number of cylinders (be it by adding actual additional cores or by adding more powerful "direct" instructions to the existing cores, or both) And eventually a cpu running FAR FAR slower, on newer tech, can still land up doing far more work / second.

Short answer - an original P4 processor ((at any sustainable clock speed) would struggle severely to challenge a single core of just about any medium - to high end desktop chip today - and thats before you fdactor that most all modern chips have multiple cores.

very good analogy

 

[ste2425]

I would definitely give that OC another attempt with your stock heatsink and document your progress in a thread so people with a greater OC'ing experience or with similar CPUs can help you out.

i think i will mate cheers well this was a general toppic that i wanted to beter my knowlege on an it workd cheers guys

 

[mrhuggles]

my e2140 with 266mhz BSEL mod runs into the cpu side fsb wall somewhere between 3.4ghz and 3.5ghz

i kinda wanna redo the BSEL mod to be 333mhz fsb but... im really lazy and im kinda ok with 3.4ghz
with the tuniq tower 120 i get like around 50c in hot weather with 100% cpu useage

 

[entropy13]

My 3.2GHz Pentium 4 is nothing compared to my 2.67GHz Core i7 920.

 

[Melvis]

Yes id say it would easy.

Just to give you an idea, my FX-57 will beat a P4 over clocked at 4.1GHz, and thats mine running at standard 2.8GHz

 

[phanbuey]

My 3.2GHz Pentium 4 is nothing compared to my 2.67GHz Core i7 920.

LOL

 

[FordGT90Concept]

ive read that an intel pentium 4 cpu can get upto like 8ghz (using Liquid nitro) but would a stupidly high clocked p4 be faster then say my current cpu? even though my current cpu would be under half the clocks? just general question

Usually LN2 can only boot to the BIOS (or very briefly to the desktop). At those clocks, processors are notoriously unstable. It's like trying to run your heart at 400 pbm. It's gonna fail sooner rather than later.

As such, performance is a moot point. They're just trying to get that number as high as it will go.

 

[hat]

Well, you should be able to get it to 4GHz with good enough cooling. It will still be slow, slower than my sempron at 3GHz most likely, but it will be decently fast until you can get a better processor. Depending on your uses, you may not even care to have another processor...

 

[Mussels]

ive read that an intel pentium 4 cpu can get upto like 8ghz (using Liquid nitro) but would a stupidly high clocked p4 be faster then say my current cpu? even though my current cpu would be under half the clocks? just general question

a pentium 4 has about the same speed as a dead snail, after being hit by a car and put through a blender.

Even at 8Ghz, modern CPU's would be faster (they would likely need to be OC'd, at least)


Your generic PSU is whats holding back your overclocking, most likely.

 

[ShiBDiB]

get an e8400 should b fairly cheap and they overclock like beasts

 

[Geofrancis]

when you were overclocking your e2180 did you increase the vcore to give it some stability?

 

[ste2425]

i got upto 2.9 safely then tried three and it wouldnt post, i bumped up the vcore one notch and it loaded windows fine just when i tried to game my pc would turn of, all i did was increase the FSB and left all my ram timings and things like that alone as i dont understand it and put it as unlinked with my ram, a user on here told me to do this and said he would explain and show me how to do the rest but he never got any further then this

 

[Darren]

i got upto 2.9 safely then tried three and it wouldnt post, i bumped up the vcore one notch and it loaded windows fine just when i tried to game my pc would turn of, all i did was increase the FSB and left all my ram timings and things like that alone as i dont understand it and put it as unlinked with my ram, a user on here told me to do this and said he would explain and show me how to do the rest but he never got any further then this

Download CPU-Z.

And post screenshots of the CPU and memory tab from before the overclock. Then overclock the CPU back to 2.9 GHz and boot back into windows and post the tabs again!